T22 different than t23? Crashing hard drive... *PICS*

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NovaKnowledgeNow · #1 Post by **NovaKnowledgeNow** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 2:20 pm

I have a hard drive in a t23 with no problems. I tried to put it in a T22 and it crash every time I try to boot. I get this screen when I try to load it.

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Anybody have any ideas? I tried this with another hard drive, same thing. They both work fine in the T23, but crash in the T22...

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#2 Post by **rkawakami** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 2:35 pm

The T22 has major hardware differences from a T23 and will generally give you this blue screen.

NovaKnowledgeNow · #3 Post by **NovaKnowledgeNow** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 3:23 pm

Hmm... Okay, I'll try to reload the OS on the hard drive from the T22.... sucks I have to waste all that time again...

fasterbybike · #4 Post by **fasterbybike** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 3:42 pm

See this thread for something similar.

NovaKnowledgeNow · #5 Post by **NovaKnowledgeNow** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 4:47 pm

I threw the hard drive in the T22 and it boots up with a red box that says there is no hard drive. Looks like this...

I then boot to CD and it starts loading Windows only to freeze when it gets to the "starting windows screen".
like this ...

All my Bios updates are done... I don't get it... Any ideas?

#6 Post by **RealBlackStuff** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 5:02 pm

You could have a dirty or bad hard drive connector.
Take the HD out and check with a good flashlight if something is amiss.
Also check the hard disk taht no pins are bent.

jronald · #7 Post by **jronald** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 5:08 pm

I have found some brands of HDDs very finicky with the T22's.
In the past I have loaded Linux on the HDD then Winblows will take over the HDD and load just fine.
The other idea is to pick up a dock, load the floppies then let the CD take over, which I have also done.

The other option is to pick up a set of IBM OEM reload CDs and have at it.
RealBlackStuff normally has a set or two for sale.

Ron

#8 Post by **rkawakami** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 5:21 pm

Get a copy of PC Doctor for DOS:

http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site. ... IGR-4YZM3F (diskettes)
http://www.kawakami-ca.com/ibm_t2x/ibm_t22_pcdiag.iso (.ISO for burning onto a CD)

Boot the system with whatever version you create and select the Diagnostics/Fixed Disks section. If your drive has been identified, you should see the size listed under the Drive 0 column (usually; could also appear as Drive 1 if booting from CD). It should be since you got the blue screen earlier. If you've since tried to format the drive, then that may account for the red text. In either case, the drive should be identified and you can start performing the listed tests. If any of them fail, then you have a problem with the drive or the motherboard.

NovaKnowledgeNow · #9 Post by **NovaKnowledgeNow** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:32 pm

I tried to load it in Safe mode. It gets all the way to the agp440.sys file, then gives me the BSoD. I'm burning the ISO as we speak and I will be performing the diagnostics on it shortly.

#10 Post by **rkawakami** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:59 pm

Goggling "agp440.sys" reveals this from the horse's mouth:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/324764

"Incompatible motherboard chipset video driver"; the difference between a T22 and a T23. Your disk drive and IDE interface is probably okay.

Davemci · #11 Post by **Davemci** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 9:51 pm

You'll also get that red screen if your hard drive is disabled in BIOS.

Purcy · #12 Post by **Purcy** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 4:51 pm

I just got this same red screen saying that my hard drive is not installed (on myT22), after trying to put back my original 20GB HD that came with my T22 (I'm going to sell it); I know the HD is fine as I put it in a HD ultrabay caddy and was able to access it on my T23. I tried several times, it slides in perfectly and I tighten the back screw and try to boot.......... same red error screen.

So, can the HD become disabled in BIOS if I am switching hard drives? Can anyone tell me where in BIOS to check this? Many thanks

#13 Post by **rkawakami** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 5:13 pm

You can verify that the BIOS is seeing the drive by going to the Startup/Boot screen. The "Hard Drive" entry should have a "+" in front of it. Arrow down until that line is highlighted and then press the Enter key. That should show you the drive's model number. If all looks okay there and you still can't boot it, then it's possible that the boot sector of the drive is damaged. It may be fixable with a "fdisk /mbr" command. That would entail creating a bootable DOS floppy with the FDISK program loaded on it.

If you don't have the "+" indication, that means that the BIOS didn't recognize the drive. Since you can access the drive from an Ultrabay adapter, that would say that there's a problem with the connection in the hard drive bay of your T22.

Purcy · #14 Post by **Purcy** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 5:46 pm

Thank you Ray, I did just take out the 80GB drive that I had put in there 2 years ago when I bought the T22; I hope I didn't damage anything taking the 80 out. I made sure to pull it straight out. I will check what you detailed in BIOS.

Purcy · #15 Post by **Purcy** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 6:25 pm

Checked the BIOS, it had the hard drive as the second device to boot to, and it did not have a "+" in front of the hard drive. I checked the pins, nothing is bent, but the one side of the caddy that attached at the front end of the HD is very loose; even when I have the little screw tightened all the way, the caddy pulls right off the one side. I don't if that is to blame. Maybe I can buy a replacement HD caddy door?

Purcy · #16 Post by **Purcy** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 2:43 pm

Okay, I got it booting, maybe this will help the OP who tried to re-install his HD and got this message. I was following the hardware manual for the T22 on how to un-install and install a HD. It says to turn it over, take the battery out, and unscrew the HD door and slide it out; then it says to install a HD, to attach it to the door firmly and slide it back into the chamber. The drawings show the T22 ON IT'S LID while doing all of this. This is how I tried it 5 times, with no joy. After looking inside the HD chamber I realized that the HD could have tilted while inserting it, allowing it to miss the pin connector inside, if I had it ON IT'S LID. So I turned the T22 over ON IT'S BACK and slowly slide the HD (attached to the door) inside the chamber and felt a definite contact inside that I didn't feel the other times. Then I as I pushed it one last time, I heard a click. Rescrewed the door shut and fired it up, and it booted! Windows ran it through a ckdisk and it passed. So you can't always go by those drawings in the IBM manuals.

#17 Post by **rkawakami** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 3:07 pm

My technique with T2x HD removal/install is one of two ways:

- with the lid open about 45 degrees and the system down on its right edge (Ultrabay resting on the table), remove the drive by lifting up the HD cover with both thumbs and the fingers on the left edge of the palmrest. Installing the drive just means pushing down on the HD cover until it's flush with the palmrest. Slight angular pressure is applied when sliding the drive into the bay to keep the pins of the drive close to the motherboard's connector. This usually results in a hardy "snap" or "crack" when getting the drive to fully seat, as the HD cover meshes with the left edge of the palmrest. (Perhaps this is another cause for the palmrest to crack next to the Fn key???)

- with the lid open and the system resting on the table (in "regular" operation or in a port replicator), lift the front edge of the laptop up, slide the fingers of the left hand under the HD and with the left thumb pushing against the palmrest, pull the drive out. Re-install by just pushing the drive in, letting gravity guide the drive's pins into the connector.

I usually don't bother with removing the battery or unplugging the AC adapter. I haven't fried anything yet

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Purcy · #18 Post by **Purcy** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 3:16 pm

both good suggestions; as this was my first HD swap, I will not likely forget how to do it again.

#19 Post by **Harryc** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 3:24 pm

Good job Purcy. The HD caddy's and cages on most Thinkpads are not an exact science. Having done in the 10's, possibly hundreds of HD swaps on Thinkpads I found the same thing... you can feel the pins seating then you hear a definite click. After doing it a number of times, you know right away if the drive is in right or not just by feel.

T22 different than t23? Crashing hard drive... PICS

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