MiniPci Wireless Card Weak Signal T30

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MiniPci Wireless Card Weak Signal T30

#1 Post by simbany1 » Tue Mar 17, 2009 5:15 pm

Hello everyone, first post here. I only discovered this forum a few days ago and it's been so helpful. I went out yesterday and bought two 1gb sticks of RAM and found out that I have a dead memory slot and will be hoping to fix that this weekend with a friend who solders pretty well... :D

But here is an issue that I've been living with for a long time ever since I got my T30. I have an IBM High Rate Wireless LAN MiniPCI Combo Card but using a Netgear external card because the signal that I get with the MiniPCI card is always very low, even within 20 feet of the router. It's only until I have my computer right up against (about 1 foot away) from the router will I get a full signal. I'm pretty sure I have antennas installed (have the little treads on both sides of the lid) but just can't figure out why the signal is so weak. On the miniPCI card, are the 2 connections labeled 'main' and 'aux' the antenna connections?

Can anyone help? BTW, my system is a 2367-BU5. Thanks!!

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Re: MiniPci Wireless Card Weak Signal T30

#2 Post by rkawakami » Tue Mar 17, 2009 6:17 pm

Welcome to thinkpads.com!

There are three possibilities that I see for weak reception:

- the MiniPCI card itself is defective
- there's a problem with the antenna leads or the antennas themselves
- your Netgear access point is not broadcasting at the power that it should

Most WiFi cards do have two antenna inputs like you have found (main and aux). As far as I know, the main input is not any "better" than the aux input. There's two antennas in order to support the diversity function of the wireless system. By that, it means that the antenna that is receiving the best signal is given priority over the one that is receiving less of a signal. The reception indicator in the wireless utility program doesn't really mean anything; what matters more is the operable distance that you experience from the access point and the speed of the data transfer. In a home environment, with no cordless phones operating in the 2.4Ghz band and no microwave ovens in use (both can affect 802.11b wireless systems), you should be able to get a reliable connection at least 30' away; line-on-sight, even through a couple of walls. It might help to bring in a second wireless laptop to see how well it works as compared to your T30. That would give you an idea if the problem is with your access point. You might also try using the wireless utility to see if you can "see" any other WiFi systems in your area that are broadcasting on the same channel as you.

To troubleshoot your problem, I'd first be sure that the existing antenna leads are firmly attached to the wireless card. They should be firmly affixed, yet free enough to swivel around in a circle. They do require a bit of force to unsnap from the socket and must be positioned very carefully and pressed down fairly hard for them to be re-attached. If both leads appear to be correctly connected, then I would probably opt to replace the MiniPCI card. It's certainly possible for an antenna lead to be shorted or disconnected, but with two antennas in your laptop, both would have to be acting up and that's less of a chance happening.

I'm not sure if your wireless card is supported by this program, but NetStumbler is a very good tool for looking at wireless connection issues. It will scan the area around you and display the signal strength of each wireless system it can see, tell you the channels they are operating on and report if they are using encryption or not.

ref: http://www.netstumbler.com/downloads/

edit: Just looked up your system configuration after I posted this and it appears that a 2367-BU5 did not come with built-in wireless :!: Possibly someone before you has upgraded the system by installing a MiniPCI card?
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Re: MiniPci Wireless Card Weak Signal T30

#3 Post by simbany1 » Tue Mar 17, 2009 7:33 pm

Thanks for the info Ray. I actually bought the card a looong time ago and installed it. I figured that since the main and aux connectors were there that it meant the antennas were also installed and all I'd have to do is buy the card and hook it up.

I'll try the suggestions you mentioned and maybe I'll buy another card and give that a shot. My Netgear card works just fine, but it would be nice if I could utilize the internal one. Thanks again.

BTW, how could I go about checking if my antenna connections are ok? I mean, I have the main and aux connections and plugging that into the card, but I have no idea if the main and aux connections going to the antennas are ok. Maybe I should just try to go out and get a new card and give that a shot. Who knows.....

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Re: MiniPci Wireless Card Weak Signal T30

#4 Post by rkawakami » Tue Mar 17, 2009 8:18 pm

Well, I was going to suggest that you could get a cheap WiFi antenna off of eBay and see if that helps your situation. Something like this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0345451926 (pair for $5.50 from Hong Kong)
(used "wifi antenna laptop" for eBay search)

Note that I have no financial ties with this eBay seller. I have used one of these antennas before in a comparison test:

http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.ph ... 933#338933
http://www.kawakami-ca.com/antenna_comparison/

As I said earlier, both antennas would probably have to be damaged in order for you to be experiencing any reduced functionality. The chance of that happening are fairly low so any $$$ you spend should go towards a more likely fix (i.e., another MiniPCI card). However, you could try disconnecting each of them one-at-a-time and see if one of them is dragging the other down.
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Re: MiniPci Wireless Card Weak Signal T30

#5 Post by simbany1 » Mon Mar 23, 2009 3:31 pm

Ok so I bought this min-pci card from ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 2759.l1259

I thought that it would be a simply plug and play process but got the 1802 error. So I'm fairly computer literate with certain things but when it comes to booting up in DOS and stuff like that, I'm clueless. How difficult is it to do the 1802 hack? I downloaded a file from a website that I found in the FAQ's but the instructions were confusing:

It requires copying a small file that will remove that bit in the BIOS. You'll copy the file no_1802.com to a floppy. You'll need to boot from a DOS diskette such as a W-98 boot floppy. Insert the created file into the A: drive and run the command. Reboot normally.

Honestly, I don't have a floppy drive and I don't know how to boot from a DOS diskette either. Forgive my ignorance, but I'd really like to try to get this card to work. If anyone can help please! Thank you!!

BTW, I also have a much older BIOS - 2.03b from 2003-3-13. Wondering if the 1802 hack will even work or if I would have to upgrade my BIOS to 2.10. I'd prefer not to. Just reading about the BIOS upgrade process scares me......

Do I have to back up everything up when I update the BIOS? I mean, I'll do it anyway, but does a BIOS update wipe out the system or just simply update the BIOS?

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Re: MiniPci Wireless Card Weak Signal T30

#6 Post by rkawakami » Mon Mar 23, 2009 3:44 pm

Ah, sorry about not warning you about the 1802 problem :( . I assumed that you would get the same card as you already have since that would be the easiest swap. The no-1802 hack is also supported with a bootable CD image:

http://www.command-tab.com/2006/02/26/t ... error-fix/

But of course, that means you have to have a CD burner (which is probably more of a chance than a floppy drive nowdays :) ).

No, the BIOS update does not disturb anything on your hard drive. It DOES have a small chance of bricking your system if power is lost during the middle of the update. That's why you need a good battery and AC adapter. I'm not sure if the latest BIOS update will negate the need for the no-1802 hack. Try searching back through the archives or possibly someone else with first-hand knowledge will pop up.
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#7 Post by RealBlackStuff » Mon Mar 23, 2009 3:55 pm

The no-1802 hack still needs to be done even with the latest BIOS/controller pgm.
If you ever remove the CMOS battery, you will need to redo the no-1802 hack, so keep the CD/floppy somewhere.
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Re: MiniPci Wireless Card Weak Signal T30

#8 Post by simbany1 » Mon Mar 23, 2009 4:01 pm

Thanks for the quick responses!! I'm going to try the 1802 fix first and see what happens. Wish me luck!!

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Re: MiniPci Wireless Card Weak Signal T30

#9 Post by simbany1 » Mon Mar 23, 2009 5:11 pm

Ok so I downloaded the program to burn it to my cd, but having some confusion as to what file type I need to burn it as. The program that I was told to download is AVS Video Converter. When I try to burn the .iso file to the cd, what file type should I convert it to?

*Edit* so I extracted the files from the .iso program that I downloaded and just simply burned all the extracted files to cd. Nothing to execute on the cd. Did I miss a step?

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Re: MiniPci Wireless Card Weak Signal T30

#10 Post by simbany1 » Mon Mar 23, 2009 10:11 pm

Oh God, another problem! So I finally was able to figure out how to use the no-1802 command and boot up my cd drive first, etc, etc, etc. When I restarted the computer, it found new hardware, which was the 2200bg card. I then tried to install it using the drivers I downloaded and install was unsuccessful. I restarted it the computer again and now the card is can't be seen. I go into " Add hardware" through the control panel and cannot find it there either. Did I completely kill the minipci slot or something. I'm so fed up at this point. Been working on this [censored] thing for hours and finally got the no-1802 hack but now my [censored] computer doesn't see the card!! Any help, otherwise this T30 is going through the wall!!!

*Edit* sorry for the tantrum, but it's been a frustrating night. Is there anyway to tell if my mini-pci slot is dead? If it is, anyway to fix it? I'd hate to have come this far and now have a dead mini-pci slot. Thanks in advance!

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Re: MiniPci Wireless Card Weak Signal T30

#11 Post by simbany1 » Tue Mar 24, 2009 4:15 pm

Can anyone help me? Trying to find out how I can check to see if my minipci port went bad or not. Tried the two minipci cards that I have and nothing happens when I plug them in.

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Re: MiniPci Wireless Card Weak Signal T30

#12 Post by rkawakami » Tue Mar 24, 2009 4:27 pm

About the only test I know of that will check the MiniPCI slot would be the wireless test in the PC Doctor diagnostic program. It does require that you are using an original WiFi card (802.11b Intel PRO / Prism 2.5). You might also try resetting your BIOS back to defaults. Other things that you can try is running a different OS and see if that recognizes the wireless card.

PC Doctor, as a bootable CD image is here:

http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site. ... MIGR-56222
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