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Peculiar Issue with T61p CPU Upgrade (X9000)

#1 Post by dylan102 » Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:24 pm

Hello all. I've been hesitant to present my CPU upgrade issue with my T61p (FRU 42W7653) but I'm at my wits end as to what my issue is. Here's the situation: I've tried *two* different Core2 X9000's in my T61p. The first CPU that I received from eBay didn't work, and now my replacement CPU isn't working either. The machine is completely normally functional with the stock T7300. I've done a huge amount of research and I can't find an identical issue anywhere on the net. Here's my issue: I'm getting a blinking battery light and AC power indicator. See youtube video of error: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGwSYW_kPUY . That blinking happens after I plug the machine in and press the power button for the first time. I can't get it to stop unless I pull the battery and AC adapter out- holding down the power button does nothing. Notably, there's not even a beep code. I have indeed upgraded to the Middleton BIOS. This error happens with both of the X9000 chips that I have. Every forum post points to this machine being compatible with the X9000. Can someone please help me or point me in the right direction?

Thanks.

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Re: Peculiar Issue with T61p CPU Upgrade (X9000)

#2 Post by Cigarguy » Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:29 pm

If indeed you've upgraded to Middleton's BIOS and swapped CPU properly then it should work. I've had instances when working swapping CPU where the new CPU was not seated properly and not clamped tight in the CPU socket and it did not work. 1/4 or 1/2 turn of the set screw fixed it. Otherwise I would guess you got a bad batch of CPUs, which could happen if it is from the same seller. Or the MB simply will not accept the new CPU.

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Re: Peculiar Issue with T61p CPU Upgrade (X9000)

#3 Post by RealBlackStuff » Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:30 am

Did you properly upgrade to Middleton before you swapped CPU?
Properly installed means: Lenovo BIOS 2.29 first, then M's BIOS, both with the 'old' CPU still in?

Put the old CPU in, then check the SATA-speed of your HDD/SSD.
If it is ~3Gb/s you're good, but if ~1.5Gb/s it did not upgrade and the X9000 (plus T8x00/T9x00) doesn't work.
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Re: Peculiar Issue with T61p CPU Upgrade (X9000)

#4 Post by dylan102 » Thu Jan 13, 2022 11:31 am

RealBlackStuff wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:30 am
If it is ~3Gb/s you're good, but if ~1.5Gb/s it did not upgrade and the X9000 (plus T8x00/T9x00) doesn't work.
I'm getting 270MB/s sequential read (~ 2.2Gb/s) and 158MB/s (~1.3Gb/s) write. Middleton *has* to be installed, right? Or are these figures a little too in the ballpark of SATA I?

Just as a sanity check, I'm going to install Middleton again following the steps you outlined.

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Re: Peculiar Issue with T61p CPU Upgrade (X9000)

#5 Post by dylan102 » Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:15 pm

Yeah, M's bios is definitely installed and the CPUs still aren't working. I somehow managed to get two dead CPUs. I guess my next step is to complain to the eBay seller...

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Re: Peculiar Issue with T61p CPU Upgrade (X9000)

#6 Post by kfzhu1229 » Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:59 pm

dylan102 wrote:
Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:24 pm
See youtube video of error: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGwSYW_kPUY . That blinking happens after I plug the machine in and press the power button for the first time. I can't get it to stop unless I pull the battery and AC adapter out- holding down the power button does nothing. Notably, there's not even a beep code. I have indeed upgraded to the Middleton BIOS. This error happens with both of the X9000 chips that I have. Every forum post points to this machine being compatible with the X9000. Can someone please help me or point me in the right direction?
Thanks.
That blinking looks like 100% a dead CPU to me. Most of the times if it's just a BIOS compatibility issue, the computer would stay powered on but you might not have an image on screen.
This is in fact similar to if you were to turn on the laptop without a CPU installed.
I am afraid you might have gotten scammed with the eBay purchases... Demand a refund from this seller and look elsewhere for a X9000.
If you paid on eBay at a price significantly cheaper than other listings, then that's definitely fishy.
Also, take a picture of both of the CPU's, maybe we can even spot whether there are any signs of the CPU being a fake.
My rule for examining eBay sellers is to look at the neutral and negative feedbacks to see if there are any consistent red flags such as consistent delivery of fake CPU's (ignore negative feedbacks by moron buyers for example)
Alternatively, you might wanna consider getting a T9300 and call it a day, which is much less likely to get you a fake (though still possible) and is much cheaper.
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Re: Peculiar Issue with T61p CPU Upgrade (X9000)

#7 Post by dylan102 » Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:28 pm

kfzhu1229 wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:59 pm
Also, take a picture of both of the CPU's, maybe we can even spot whether there are any signs of the CPU being a fake.
My rule for examining eBay sellers is to look at the neutral and negative feedbacks to see if there are any consistent red flags such as consistent delivery of fake CPU's (ignore negative feedbacks by moron buyers for example)
Perhaps someone has better eyes than me, but these CPUs for sure look legit. See for yourself: https://imgur.com/a/URyJs7M On the backside, there's even the extra components (resistor arrays?) compared to the T7300 I have.

The reviews for this eBay seller were all positive, trust me, I was as suspicious as anyone but he seemed legit. 99.6% positive with 485 positive reviews.
I'm going to try to get a full refund out of the guy, and if I can't, I'm going to get in touch with eBay support.

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Re: Peculiar Issue with T61p CPU Upgrade (X9000)

#8 Post by dylan102 » Thu Jan 13, 2022 4:01 pm

The plot thickens... I seem to have ran into the same issue that this guy ran into. viewtopic.php?t=127430

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Re: Peculiar Issue with T61p CPU Upgrade (X9000)

#9 Post by kfzhu1229 » Thu Jan 13, 2022 4:22 pm

dylan102 wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:28 pm
Perhaps someone has better eyes than me, but these CPUs for sure look legit. See for yourself: https://imgur.com/a/URyJs7M On the backside, there's even the extra components (resistor arrays?) compared to the T7300 I have.

The reviews for this eBay seller were all positive, trust me, I was as suspicious as anyone but he seemed legit. 99.6% positive with 485 positive reviews.
I'm going to try to get a full refund out of the guy, and if I can't, I'm going to get in touch with eBay support.
Now that's a 100% fake... Some of these fakesters have no idea what they are doing and the model number is wrong...
The full model number for the X9000 is FF80576X9000, the full model number for the X9100 is AW80576X9100.
Your fake CPU has a model of AW80576X9000, which does not exist!
For the Penryn generation of chips, most come with the FF80576 or AW80576. The general rule of thumb is that, with the exception of the low end Pentiums and T6x00 series and some Mac only CPUs, the 800Mhz FSB ones come with the former prefix, while the 1066mhz ones come with the latter.
Here are my 2 genuine known working X9000's: https://1drv.ms/u/s!At7-rt1KJ7WviPhMr00 ... A?e=KaSoNq
Return/refund those crap and go with the T9300. And then ONLY when you become much more experienced working with Core 2 duo laptops, attempt FSB mod and either go for the 1066mhz FSB chips or overclock the T8100 or T8300 to run with 1066mhz FSB.
NOTE: Your case is the common scam of people relabelling dead CPU's that has a die area similar to X9000 as a X9000 by reprinting those model numbers.
The other common practice that isn't an entire scam but is fishy is that people might also repurpose originally soldered on BGA CPU chips by adding legs on them and make it a Socket P chip. You are highly unlikely to find this for a T9500 or X9000. It works just like you'd expect, but it sits ever so slightly taller and the legs are more fragile.
See this: https://imgur.com/gallery/SDVI5Lq
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T530i 15.6" i7 16gb fp W10
UXGA:
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T43p 2.26 2gb fp W10 (Sharp)
Lat C840 P4-2.5 2gb 60gb W7 (Ultrasharp)

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Re: Peculiar Issue with T61p CPU Upgrade (X9000)

#10 Post by dylan102 » Thu Jan 13, 2022 5:33 pm

Well, sh*t- I guess my next step is to just take this to eBay... What a waste of time and money. Thank you for your time and help. I'm glad I at least have some closure.

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