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It happened...my T61 blue screened.......
I was browsing the net when my screen suddenly went black (no baack light either) and i got the bluescreen of death...
Its a August 2008 T61 and GPU temps never ever reach more than 75C!!!!

Here the dump file:
VIDEO_TDR_FAILURE (116)
Attempt to reset the display driver and recover from timeout failed.
Arguments:
Arg1: 850c8008, Optional pointer to internal TDR recovery context (TDR_RECOVERY_CONTEXT).
Arg2: 8dc26990, The pointer into responsible device driver module (e.g. owner tag).
Arg3: 00000000, Optional error code (NTSTATUS) of the last failed operation.
Arg4: 00000002, Optional internal context dependent data.

Debugging Details:
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Unable to load image \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\nvlddmkm.sys, Win32 error 0n2
*** WARNING: Unable to verify timestamp for nvlddmkm.sys
*** ERROR: Module load completed but symbols could not be loaded for nvlddmkm.sys

FAULTING_IP:
nvlddmkm+c990
8dc26990 55 push ebp

DEFAULT_BUCKET_ID: GRAPHICS_DRIVER_TDR_FAULT

CUSTOMER_CRASH_COUNT: 1

BUGCHECK_STR: 0x116

PROCESS_NAME: System

CURRENT_IRQL: 0

STACK_TEXT:
8a63bb74 8c8d807b 00000116 850c8008 8dc26990 nt!KeBugCheckEx+0x1e
8a63bb98 8c8cc937 8dc26990 00000000 00000002 dxgkrnl!TdrBugcheckOnTimeout+0x8d
8a63bbbc 8e58192c 00000000 00000102 87349008 dxgkrnl!TdrIsRecoveryRequired+0xb8
8a63bc34 8e5ab944 fffffcfb 0053ff96 00000000 dxgmms1!VidSchiReportHwHang+0x3c0
8a63bc5c 8e5ac065 00000000 00000000 00000000 dxgmms1!VidSchiCheckHwProgress+0x68
8a63bc98 8e5888f0 8a63bc90 874938b0 84c17558 dxgmms1!VidSchiWaitForSchedulerEvents+0x1b1
8a63bd28 8e5ad3c9 87349008 8287b509 87349008 dxgmms1!VidSchiScheduleCommandToRun+0xaa
8a63bd3c 8e5ad485 87349008 00000000 8735d710 dxgmms1!VidSchiRun_PriorityTable+0xf
8a63bd50 82a4cfda 87349008 9477acfa 00000000 dxgmms1!VidSchiWorkerThread+0x7f
8a63bd90 828f51f9 8e5ad406 87349008 00000000 nt!PspSystemThreadStartup+0x9e
00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 nt!KiThreadStartup+0x19


STACK_COMMAND: .bugcheck ; kb

FOLLOWUP_IP:
nvlddmkm+c990
8dc26990 55 push ebp

SYMBOL_NAME: nvlddmkm+c990

FOLLOWUP_NAME: MachineOwner

MODULE_NAME: nvlddmkm

IMAGE_NAME: nvlddmkm.sys

DEBUG_FLR_IMAGE_TIMESTAMP: 4aa310b9

FAILURE_BUCKET_ID: 0x116_IMAGE_nvlddmkm.sys

BUCKET_ID: 0x116_IMAGE_nvlddmkm.sys

Followup: MachineOwner
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The key bit of information missing here is does this problem persist. A software crash is common, but if this was caused by hardware failure and your system won't post, then you have a problem.

posdts perfectly - no artifacts - went trough 3d mark 2001 on mx twice, Thinkvantage PC doctor showas PASS on all GPU tests - how can i tell if this was hardware related?

OK it also passed the CPU, GPU stress test (GPU temps maxed out @ 80)

hoax32 wrote: how can i tell if this was hardware related?

If BSOD keeps coming back with the same info, like a bad penny, you're likely looking at a hardware problem...

Don't stress over it, though.

Use the machine and enjoy it.

If it drops dead, swap the planar and have fun with it again...

Thanks for the reply!
I got so upset, that i put in a different HDD and just installed XP prof......
What would you guess, is the problem?
Hardware or Software?

And what is the USUAL blue screen message of dying T61's?

Well, the way I'm reading it, your BSOD was nVidia-driver related.

Hardware or software? Who knows.

If it happens again...and again...then you'll know the answer.

Good luck.

man - i thought, that august models where safe.... :/

As I said, don't panic...

Safe - yes when compared to the previous ones...

But nothing built by a human hand is ever perfect...

Do you actually USE that laptop for ANYthing except silly benchmark tests?

Yes I use it for some gaming (cod4) and internet.
thanks for helping me guys!
No other Blue Screen on XP yet.

OK!
I have bin using the laptop for now 7 hours straight with my fresh installed windows XP!
I also ran 3D Mark on MAX settings.
No BS or any screen problems so far......
I have researched a little and found out, that in the majority of the times the blue screen on dying T61's looks like this:

Problem has been detected and windows has been shut down to prevent damage to your computer.



Problem seems to be caused by the following file: nv4_disp



If this is the first time you’ve seen this stop error screen, restart your computer.



If this screen appears again, follow these steps:



The device driver got stuck in an infinite loop. This usually indicates problem with the device itself or with the device driver programming the hardware incorrectly.

Please check with your hardware device vendor for any driver updates.



Technical information:

** STOP: 0x000000EA (0x8A4803C8, 0x88FFD500, 0xBA4EFCBC, 0x00000001)

nv4_disp

beginning dump of physical memory

physical memory dump complete.

contact your system administrator or technical support group for further assistance.




.....but my BS is not caused by that same file.....
still worried....

I know a few people who believe that, as far as stability is concerned, it's best to use the operating system that a computer was originally designed for. In your case, that would be Vista Business 32bit. I am not saying I agree with this notion, but Vista would work well on the T61 anyway and in my experience, both 7 and Vista are much more stable than XP.

pianowizard wrote:I know a few people who believe that, as far as stability is concerned, it's best to use the operating system that a computer was originally designed for. In your case, that would be Vista Business 32bit. I am not saying I agree with this notion, but Vista would work well on the T61 anyway and in my experience, both 7 and Vista are much more stable than XP.

I am a Windows Vista hater.....
XP runs just fine....
What do you think was the cause for the Blue Screen?
Driver of Hardware?

And is there a version of the thinkvantage toolbox for XP?

If you're lucky, it's just this:

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysi ... s/bb897558

A T61 nvidia failure (hard failure) presents with black screen, not blue screen, and no post at all. When powering up you get three beeps and nothing at all. A partial failure can present as graphic artifacts on the screen, nvidia driver crashing, etc... however it will rarely present as ONLY bluescreen errors. These type of errors are common for all windows environments it just means the software crashed. The cause of the crash could be software or hardware, but the effect is software.

As for your graphic processor, an 08/08 unit's processor is no better or no worse then millions of other computers that are unrelated to the prior nvidia issues. It's free of one specific defect, but that is no guarantee that it will last forever. With millions of these units made, there have been only a couple vague reports of 08/08 units failing, and nothing conclusive they had anything at all to do with the GPU. Even if it did, some failures are to be expected, but the prior versions fail at a rate of 1-3 per month going by what's reported on lenovo forums, which is still extremely low failure rate for something produced in the millions that is over 4yo.



Good Luck

TuuS wrote:A T61 nvidia failure (hard failure) presents with black screen, not blue screen, and no post at all. When powering up you get three beeps and nothing at all. A partial failure can present as graphic artifacts on the screen, nvidia driver crashing, etc... however it will rarely present as ONLY bluescreen errors. These type of errors are common for all windows environments it just means the software crashed. The cause of the crash could be software or hardware, but the effect is software.

As for your graphic processor, an 08/08 unit's processor is no better or no worse then millions of other computers that are unrelated to the prior nvidia issues. It's free of one specific defect, but that is no guarantee that it will last forever. With millions of these units made, there have been only a couple vague reports of 08/08 units failing, and nothing conclusive they had anything at all to do with the GPU. Even if it did, some failures are to be expected, but the prior versions fail at a rate of 1-3 per month going by what's reported on lenovo forums, which is still extremely low failure rate for something produced in the millions that is over 4yo.



Good Luck

I guess you are right!

Well it has bin some time now since that BS happened! (a month or something)
When I saw that XP ran well, I decidet to go to my old OS - win 7 again!
I reinstalled Windows 7 2 weeks ago and and did not have any craches or any artifacts what so ever happen!
I played high demanding games (including CoD4 and GTA 4) and everything is running fine!

Was it a drivers crash instead of a hardware crash?

Well..it happened again....3-4 months later...Was watching a youtube video, when the screen froze, audio started stuttering, screen went black....audio started playing again, audio stopped...same blue screen! :/
Ran 3d mark with no problems 3 times (over 40 minutes), tested the system with pc doctor (passes all 4 GPU tests) and played some CoD4......hardware or software?
Anything 2 be worryed about? :/

How about testing it with this:

http://freestone-group.com/video-card-s ... y-test.htm

Good luck.

ajkula66 wrote:How about testing it with this:

http://freestone-group.com/video-card-s ... y-test.htm

Good luck.

tested using that software - no crash

The length of test for every ThinkPad that I sell with discrete graphics is 1000 minutes.

Have you ran it that long?

nope... xD I am inpatient lol

FYI: I had machines fail at 800+ minutes...

You are scarrying me!!! D:

Nothing to be scared of. It's just a laptop for crying out loud...doesn't bite, doesn't shoot...

Wouldn't you rather know where you stand, even if that means that the GPU is on its way out?

ajkula66 wrote:Nothing to be scared of. It's just a laptop for crying out loud...doesn't bite, doesn't shoot...

Wouldn't you rather know where you stand, even if that means that the GPU is on its way out?

I just want you to know that i appreciate all the help of you and please dont fell disrespected but I am a student, who needs the laptop all the time.
1000 minutes = >10 mours which I cannot spare! :/
I ran the Lenovo Toolbox stress test and hardware test, dont have much time to test stuff...but i still want to find out, if this is hardware or software.

I got it but...do you ever sleep?

Before you go to bed, start the test, let the fan run at max using TPFC and check what's what when you get up.

My student days were done with long before you were born, but I still can't afford to sit by the laptop for 10+ hours and wait to see whether it will blow the GPU under a stress test...

Good luck.

ajkula66 wrote:I got it but...do you ever sleep?

Before you go to bed, start the test, let the fan run at max using TPFC and check what's what when you get up.

My student days were done with long before you were born, but I still can't afford to sit by the laptop for 10+ hours and wait to see whether it will blow the GPU under a stress test...

Good luck.

5 hours of sleep is all i get!
OK - i hope that my old t22 (512MB - 1GHz - 60GB) will be able to keep up tomorrow in school while ma t61 is burning its guts!

You should study, instead of wasting your time trying to catch a phantom!