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[Solved] T61 8898-AGM Fan replaced now it blue screens when starting Win7

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[Solved] T61 8898-AGM Fan replaced now it blue screens when starting Win7

#1 Post by cadillacmike68 » Mon Oct 09, 2017 4:13 pm

The fan finally stooped on my T61 8898-AGM. I put in a spare, it didn't like that one (probably because I bought it used and didn't take it apart to clean!), so I put in the original one that I took out a couple years ago and had cleaned & lubed).

The Fan error went away, but it blue screened soon after starting windows (never got to the select user screen) and has done it about a dozen times with different "causes" every time, process1 initialization error, Memory Management. It even says check to be sure you have enough disk space. It had a 500GB internal with about 400GB free and optimized a couple days ago. It ran chkdsk on a restart (white text on black screen - no issues that I could tell). But it gave me another BSOD after that.
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From here it was a bad ram module that either I fried while replacing the fans or it just went bad, which is not likely because I had two identical modules in it and the other is fine. I might have gotten some solvent on the module that messed up the chips. I'll have to be real careful with that in the future.

Read on for "the rest of the story"
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I put a working HDD from another Intel graphics T61 (7658-CTO). That one got to the select user screen and then IT blue screened me. I put that drive back in the 7658 and it barfed as well, but startup repair allowed it to start. I restarted and then processed about 500MB of winblows updates (the 7658 is a backup machine so it always needs updates). That all finished fine so I shut it down.

I'm putting the HDD from the 8898-AGM into the 7658 now. It booted to the startup repair screen so I'm letting it do that.

It asked me if I want to use system Restore, so I'm letting it. Wen I put the 7658's HDD back in after having it in the 8898, that HDD did the same, asked me if I wanted to use System Restore.

The machines are all Intel Graphics T61 the OS is Win 7 pro (lenovo build), heck they all came from the identical original image.

The 8898 boots to BIOS fine, with no errors. It will sit there for 10-15 min and not have any problems, but it does NOT want to start win 7 on its HDD. There is no system diags in the BIOS, so no way the check unless I can get it to start windows. Itr correctly reports the RAM and shows all the LAN MACs, ets from the BIOS screen.

Did I pinch a wire and FUBAR the 8898? Why would it boot to BIOS with no problems? I have the HDD backed up with Acronis TI, so I can restore it, or I can restore to another HDD. But that takes time and if it will just blue screen me again after all that it will be a waste of time.

OK, the 8898's HDD is now booting win 7 in the 7658. It seems to be running OK. so I'm stumped. Do I put the HDD back in the 8898?? Is there a way to test the 8898 without using windows?
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Re: T61 8898-AGM Fan replaced now it blue screens when starting Win7

#2 Post by cadillacmike68 » Mon Oct 09, 2017 10:03 pm

Update:

I put the HDD back in the 8898 and booted it. Same blue screens : "Bad_Pool_header", Memory Management, unnamed with a 0x7e a 0x19, and the others. No rhyme or reason on the BSODs.

I put the Acronis TI boot CD that I made in the ultrabay and that boots just fine, so I don't think it is graphics related. I didn't try to back up the HDD. I booted the HMD (on a USB), that boots fine, but there's not much you can do with it. I even reset the SATA controller from AHCI to compatibility - same results.

I'm going to put the 8898 HDD back in the 7658, get that running, swap the 8GB RAM from the 8898 into the 7658, back up my firefox profile & bookmarks and make another full system backup using the 7658. All my user files are backed up daily, so the system backup will just keep me from having to re-load 3 months of firefox & winblows updates if I do have to restore to another HDD.

Safe mode no networking stops after CLASSPNP.sys.

I read that this could possibly be a loose HDD / SATA controller cable. I'll have to check all cables, and they're really tiny. I'll also try booting into BIOS with a spare HDD and run the test HDD function off the BIOS and see if that gives me any errors.

What is the possibility that I trashed one of the miniPCI WiFi or WAN or LAN cards?? They are right next to the fan. Will that mess up winblows loading? I don't think Acronis TI (a Linux load) even cares about that, but windows certainly does, and it's terrible when something isn't exactly what it expects to find...


Otherwise I'm stumped, a bad system board??? It worked fine this morning.
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Re: T61 8898-AGM Fan replaced now it blue screens when starting Win7

#3 Post by axur-delmeria » Mon Oct 09, 2017 10:30 pm

Just to eliminate bad RAM, run memtest86+ http://www.memtest.org/download/5.01/me ... taller.zip
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Re: T61 8898-AGM Fan replaced now it blue screens when starting Win7

#4 Post by cadillacmike68 » Mon Oct 09, 2017 10:53 pm

I already swapped the 8GB from the 8898 into the 7658 and am running Acronis TI to make a system backup. I'll put the 4GB from the 7658 into the 8898 and continue trying to isolate the problem with the 8898. I'd like to have all my T61s running with 8GB but its too expensive.

I need a functioning machine for work, so I'll just put the the 7658 with the 8898's HDD into the dock and it'll all be OK until I can get the 8898 sorted out.

No issues so far backing up the 8898's HDD using the 7658 with the 8GB RAM.
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Re: T61 8898-AGM Fan replaced now it blue screens when starting Win7

#5 Post by RealBlackStuff » Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:02 am

If you have a 2nd HD ultrabay adapter for the 8898, try the HD in there (without any drive in the HDD bay).
If that works, start looking for a new motherboard.
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Re: T61 8898-AGM Fan replaced now it blue screens when starting Win7

#6 Post by cadillacmike68 » Tue Oct 10, 2017 2:22 pm

RBS: I booted the 8898 to Acronis TI from a CD in the ultrabay. I haven't gotten around to booting the HDD in the ultrabay yet.

I am leaning to one or both 4GB Kingston memory modules being bad. Here's why:

When i swapped the 8GB from the 8898 to the 7658 it booted to a blue screen once and then windows startup repair "corrected" both HDDs. I then backed up the 8898's HDD (while it was in the 7658) using acronis TI. That worked file. I think I left it on overnight. This morning the screen was black but all the green indicators were lit. No amount of FN-F12, ESC, etc. would wake it up, do it got the little silver power button treatment.

It powered back on to a BSOD. So i took that HDD out and put in the 7658's original HDD (which NEVER had a problem), and it powered to a BSOD. I cycled power and let windows startup repair run.

Part ay through it cave an error message (not a BSOD) stating that it tried to access memory address blah blah blah and couldnt or something similar.

OK, this is with the 8GBs of RAM. Out it went and I put two spare Hynix 2GB modules in. It powered on to the select windows startup repair selection and I choose that and after a while it "corrected" the HDD. This is the 7658's original HDD. I ran a bunch oh updates and restored all my user files to the HDD. No problems.

In the meantime (I have a Big dining room table and can work on about 8 machines at once if need be) I put a known good W7 formatted HDD from a T61 6565-5ZU that I have given to my nephew for his family. I originally had 6 working T61s all with W7P and W10P drives, so that one was hanging around.

That HDD booted up, However the screen was like an old DOS game gone berserk with all the yellow and magenta flashing going on. Opening and closing windows left a trail of blocky outlines. It did successfully install a few winblows updates though, but it was getting late so I shut it down after it restarted, running fine but the screen was still berserk.

In the morning I checked for loose broken wires, and did notice something strange: Under a tab on the right side of the fan. A small piece of steel looked like it didn't belong there and I was thinking OK what damage did That cause? I checked one of my disassembled T61s and noticed that that little tab was supposed to sit UNDER a very small tab on the far right side of the heatsink. I carefully put it back in position, and prayed.

Well it booted right up in the 8898 (which now has two 2GB RAM modules), but the screen was still going berserk. Still it went through 3 winblows update cycles and after the 2nd or 3rd, the crazy screen antics went away. That's good, because I haven't had the 8898 out of the dock in over a year and had no idea of the panel or Intel graphics was going bad. (no screen problems in BIOS or while running Acronis TI on it ).

So now I'm trying to boot the original HDD in the 8898. It's out of the dock with only a DVD drive in the ultrabay and nothing else external. It went straight into startup repair which I selected and it go to the select user screen and appears to be starting properly. I just got my regular desktop. CPU temp is ok (It's been ok since last night when i first booted the 6565's HDD).

It's now restarted a couple times, no errors, no screen antics. The only thing different is the RAM.
Hirens boot CD and another ("ultimate boot CD") are there tests on those?
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Re: T61 8898-AGM Fan replaced now it blue screens when starting Win7

#7 Post by cadillacmike68 » Tue Oct 10, 2017 3:05 pm

axur-delmeria wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2017 10:30 pm
Just to eliminate bad RAM, run memtest86+ http://www.memtest.org/download/5.01/me ... taller.zip
Thanks, I'll try this on a spare T61.
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Re: T61 8898-AGM Fan replaced now it blue screens when starting Win7

#8 Post by cadillacmike68 » Wed Oct 11, 2017 1:16 am

I have one of my nvidia GPU T61s running memtest v5.01. Only one module in the system at a time.

It seems to be taking forever, but it is a 4GB module. It's on test # 9 so far it says no errors. I'll just let run overnight, and then I'll put the other module in.

How many tests does it have??

I found a newer memtest, v7.4 I put that on a CD. I also found a Lenovo "sanctioned" bootable ISO that I put on another CD. I'll test these modules out thoroughly.

The 8898 is back in its dock happily backing up my latest user files to my spare HDDs and USBs and the 7658 is all refreshed with winblows and firefox updates and all my latest user files. And the spare W7P formatted HDD from the old 6465 is also up to date with win and ff updates.

But what a two day nightmare...
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#9 Post by RealBlackStuff » Wed Oct 11, 2017 6:06 am

You're not the only one with memory RAM problems.
My desktop (which I built in 2010) runs W7-Pro/SP1 64-bit and had G.Skill Ripjaws DIMMs in it.
Every day it gets switched on around 5am and switched off around 5pm (I use a laptop in the evenings).
Normally W7 comes up to the desktop, waits a few seconds and then auto-starts Thunderbird (email) and PaleMoon (browser).
But last week it booted up 2 days in a row with a BSOD and Stop Errors 3b, 1e or 50
Perfect indicators that something was amiss with the RAM.
I didn't even bother with testing them.
Luckily I had 2x4GB Mushkin Silverline new DIMMs in my spares box, so a quick swap, and all is well again.
But I DID bother with testing the new ones, just in case.
BTW, Mushkin modules are made by Avant Technology.

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#10 Post by cadillacmike68 » Wed Oct 11, 2017 3:49 pm

@RBS, I may also have memory problems :P

On these 4GB DDR2s:

I downloaded memteat86 v5 and put it on a USB (I got V7 as well, but v5 works ok). The first 4GB module looked fine but the test was taking a long time (it was late, after I returned from a loooong Cadillac Club meeting), so I just let it run overnight.

The next morning it had completed 3 loops with no errors, so I powered the system down and put the other 4GB module in and powered it on.

It took about 5 seconds for the screen to fill up with red zeros like a Christmas lights display, so that module was definitely bad, I might have zapped it or it overheated or i got some thinner on it when I cleaned off the arctic 5 thermal paste. Who knows, who cares.

It was a Kingston module, supposedly lifetime warranty. I called them and when I gave him the KTH part number the guy told me that that item was "end of life'd" in 2010, so NO warranty?!?!? :twisted:

OK, so I'll buy a different brand next time.
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Re: T61 8898-AGM Fan replaced now it blue screens when starting Win7

#11 Post by axur-delmeria » Wed Oct 11, 2017 9:39 pm

"Lifetime warranty" may mean "warranty during the product's lifetime" AKA "while we still manufacture them/offer them on our web store".
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#12 Post by cadillacmike68 » Sat Oct 14, 2017 1:12 am

^^ That's pretty much what they told me!

I ordered a 4GB module and another pair for the boss lady's main system.
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Re: [Solved] T61 8898-AGM Fan replaced now it blue screens when starting Win7

#13 Post by cadillacmike68 » Wed Oct 25, 2017 10:49 pm

Update. I examined the dead Kingston module and noticed that one of the chips has a dent in it. Yes, a dent. Looking down the dented chip I can see hat it's actually bent in far enough to mess up internal chip circuits.

It either got there from the fan / heatsink or too much thumb pressure when inserting or removing it. in any event I was at fault.

So I didn't static fry it and it didn't randomly fail. A bit too much percussive maintenance on the module perhaps.
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T21 2647; T22 2647 4@ 900MHz, 1@ 1GHz SXGA+; T23 2647 2@ 1.13GHz, 1@ 1.2GHz SXGA+, WiFi
T30 2366-88U 2GHz; 2366-83U 1.8G; 5@ 2366-LU0/66U; 2367-KU6 FUBARd
T61 8897, 2.4GHz SXGA+; 8898, 2.4GHz; 6463, 2.4 & 2.1GHz WSXGA+; 7658, 2.5GHz; T61p, 3 more T61s
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