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X9000 - is it worth it?

#1 Post by sebileis » Thu Jul 04, 2019 3:18 pm

Hello everyone! So as I continue to gather the parts I need to complete my T601 FrankenPad project, I have to wonder, does the X9000 processor really add any performance benefits over something like a T9600? In any use, general tasks, gaming, video editing (not that I plan on using the T601 for that but just out of curiosity, I want to know), is the X9000 worth it? A few places I've read said it isn't that much more powerful than the T9600, and putting an X9000 into the T61 not only runs a lot hotter but also drains battery life much faster than any dual-core chip. If the boost in performance is really noticeable then I don't mind sacrificing some battery life to achieve that, but especially with these 11-year old chips selling for over $50 I really don't want to make the investment if the speed improvements are negligible. Thanks!
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Re: X9000 - is it worth it?

#2 Post by ajkula66 » Thu Jul 04, 2019 6:52 pm

I believe that you mean T9500, not T9600. The latter requires a pinmod to run in a T61.

To me personally, T9300 is the optimal combination of performance/heat/price UNLESS you're intent on overclocking where the fact that X9000 has unlocked multipliers becomes very important, and a big advantage.
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Re: X9000 - is it worth it?

#3 Post by sebileis » Fri Jul 05, 2019 2:16 am

ajkula66 wrote:
Thu Jul 04, 2019 6:52 pm
I believe that you mean T9500, not T9600. The latter requires a pinmod to run in a T61.

To me personally, T9300 is the optimal combination of performance/heat/price UNLESS you're intent on overclocking where the fact that X9000 has unlocked multipliers becomes very important, and a big advantage.
Yep, that's my bad. Is the T9400 also one that requires a pinmod or would that work in a Middleton's BIOS T61? I have a spare lying around. I most likely wouldn't be overclocking, while I have one of the revised GPU motherboards courtesy of TuuS, I still want to keep the heat levels down in the system and even the base X9000 temps without overclocking are already higher than any other chip that will work in that machine. I mostly want to know If, without overclocking, the performance boosts between the X9000 and the next fastest Core 2 Duo are worth the trouble.
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Re: X9000 - is it worth it?

#4 Post by ajkula66 » Fri Jul 05, 2019 2:19 am

sebileis wrote:
Fri Jul 05, 2019 2:16 am
I mostly want to know If, without overclocking, the performance boosts between the X9000 and the next fastest Core 2 Duo are worth the trouble.
Not in my opinion. T9300 - or T9500 if you can find it for not too much money - is the way to go.

And yes, T9400 also requires a pinmod for use in a T61.
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Re: X9000 - is it worth it?

#5 Post by wujstefan » Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:14 am

I'll sign under this as well.

X9000 can archieve 3.2/3.4GHz with no voltage increase, but runs hottest of all ofthem.
T9500 would be the best hit if you can get it cheap. With D-IDA it works at 2.8Ghz.
T9300 is cheap while working at base frequency only 100MHz lower. I find it running a bit hotter than T9500 for some reason.
T8300 would be your budget choice ($10?), and it is coolest running CPU out of top choices.
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Re: X9000 - is it worth it?

#6 Post by Lister » Sun Jul 07, 2019 7:25 am

Hi, I think the best processor for the T601 is the T9900. It offers similar performance to the X9000, but run much cooler and can be undervolted from 0.9 to 0.725V with pinmod.
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Re: X9000 - is it worth it?

#7 Post by TinkerMan » Sun Jul 07, 2019 12:15 pm

the question is too simple given the complex nature of the answer
X9000 on what config?
if you go with intel X3100 mobo than the heat sink can definitely handle an X9000, even an OC one pretty easily. if you use a T or W 500 heatsink even better.
But, if you go with an nvidia mobo, than yes, the X9000 might not be the best choice, in this config a T9300 might be the better option, or even a T9500 if you get the T/W 500 heatsink.
I went with the X9000, paired to a X3100 and a W500 heatsink, also, full disclosure, I got my X9000 for just 28 US bucks, sooo..... might be a bit biased.
right now I respond to this thread from my X9000 powered Frankie.
the windows experience index for the CPU is 6.4, I also have a T61 equipped with a T9500 which scores 6.2, so a T9300 might score 6.1 or 6.0


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Re: X9000 - is it worth it?

#8 Post by 600X » Sun Jul 07, 2019 12:23 pm

I have a X9000 in my R61. It doesn't really feel any different than any T61 or T500 I've had with a T series CPU. It also has QXGA display so battery life is useless anyway.

I think the better choice would be the 1066 FSB mod so that you can run a P9000 series CPU or maybe a quad core mod to run the Q9000 CPU's. Especially nowadays with multi-threaded workloads being so common, a quad core might make a bigger difference than a dual core with higher clock speeds.
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Re: X9000 - is it worth it?

#9 Post by TinkerMan » Sun Jul 07, 2019 3:06 pm

there are 2 points that I think got missed in this thread
1: he said it in his youtube video that he is not interested in doing the FSB1066 mod, so all the cheap CPUs like the X9100 or T9400 or T9600 are out the window, all he got to work with are X9000, T9500 and T9300
2: is he or not going to use the machine, among other things, to also watch 1080p content or not
on my X9000 frankie I can watch youtube video at 1080p BUT it runs smoothly just at 30 fps, at 60 FPS it chops, 720p 60fps it barely runs smoothly,
the T9300 is 2.5 GHz, so just barely the minimum required to run 1080p, so the X9000s 2.8GHz gives him a bit of head room for a few years to enjoy 1080p

and I dont think the future is too bright, I also have a W530 with a 2.4 Ghz quad core, and anything more than 1440p, starts to chop, a few years ago this would have been unbelievable
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Re: X9000 - is it worth it?

#10 Post by wujstefan » Mon Jul 08, 2019 7:19 am

TinkerMan wrote:
Sun Jul 07, 2019 3:06 pm
and I dont think the future is too bright, I also have a W530 with a 2.4 Ghz quad core, and anything more than 1440p, starts to chop, a few years ago this would have been unbelievable
Well it is :D better check this system.
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Hi, I think the best processor for the T601 is the T9900. It offers similar performance to the X9000, but run much cooler and can be undervolted from 0.9 to 0.725V with pinmod.


While requiring huge amount of work compared to a simple CPU swap. Note than the OP pointed he does not want to perform a pinmod for some reasons. 0.725V on T9900, and it works stable? a big Wow!

To get back to the question: unless planning to overclock, I'd stick to T9300.
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Re: X9000 - is it worth it?

#11 Post by Lister » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:20 am

Yes, system is stable, but 0,725V is for lowest multiplier and FSB 200 MHz. For undervolting i use IBM_ECW and VID4.

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So, real volatge is 913 - 200 = 713 mV
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Re: X9000 - is it worth it?

#12 Post by wujstefan » Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:05 am

Lister wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:20 am
Yes, system is stable, but 0,725V is for lowest multiplier and FSB 200 MHz. For undervolting i use IBM_ECW and VID4.
Ah, 200MHz FSB is the magic word here. What's the point of running T9900 at 200FSB? It tops at 2.3 GHz or so...
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Re: X9000 - is it worth it?

#13 Post by Lister » Tue Jul 09, 2019 9:27 am

I have no experience with soldering. Moreover, frankie is very cold now. The highest frequency is 2.3GHz, but it's not a problem for me.
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Re: X9000 - is it worth it?

#14 Post by wujstefan » Tue Jul 09, 2019 2:20 pm

Well, undervolted T9300 can get as low as 63C under full synthetic load and with D-IDA enabled (and this means 2.7GHz). Does it makes any sense dropping from 3.06GHz to 2.3GHz on an expensive CPU? All in all it is behind T9300, and FAR behind X9000. Dunno what load temps were you able to get, but T9300 is capable of running very cool while being way cheaper and faster... or not?
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Mon Jul 08, 2019 7:19 am
Hi, I think the best processor for the T601 is the T9900. It offers similar performance to the X9000
Sorry but this is very, very far from truth if running at 200MHz FSB :D 266MHz FSB mod is another story though! :) That's why I was a bit shocked with it working on so low voltage :)

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Re: X9000 - is it worth it?

#15 Post by Raidriar » Tue Jul 09, 2019 11:13 pm

In my opinion, totally worth it. Extreme chips tend to be better binned than their non-extreme counterparts. I run mine at 2.2GHz @ 0.9250V or 2.8GHz @ 1.0750V, so it is a decent chip. I undervolt with throttlestop as I did not want to mess with FSB or pin mods. It works fine as my light duty nightly youtube/web browsing machine, even in mid 2019.
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Re: X9000 - is it worth it?

#16 Post by Lister » Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:46 am

I have reduced fan speed on both systems. It's approximately like this:
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idle 1700rpm @ 50 °C
web browsing 2000rpm @ 53 °C
Furmark full load gpu+cpu after 1hour 2500rpm @68 °C

Intel
idle 0rpm @ 45 °C
web browsing 1700rpm @ 55 °C
Furmark full load gpu+cpu after 1hour 2500rpm @59 °C

At a fan speed of up to 1700rpm, systems are silent at night in a quiet room.
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Re: X9000 - is it worth it?

#17 Post by TinkerMan » Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:23 am

Raidriar wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2019 11:13 pm
In my opinion, totally worth it. Extreme chips tend to be better binned than their non-extreme counterparts. I run mine at 2.2GHz @ 0.9250V or 2.8GHz @ 1.0750V, so it is a decent chip. I undervolt with throttlestop as I did not want to mess with FSB or pin mods. It works fine as my light duty nightly youtube/web browsing machine, even in mid 2019.
I agree
I just redid some tests on youtube with a T9500 inside a middletoned T61 with a nvs 140m, and the X9000 inside a franckie with X3100

both run smooth 720P 30FPS , and 1080P 30FPS
both run 720P 60fps, albeit a could observe some very rare chops on the T9500, but rare enough not to be a problem.
X9000 chops 1080P 60FPS, but the T9500 chops even more the 1080P 60FPS
both chop 1440P, albeit the T9500 chops more often and prolonged.
I would go for X9000, even if both chop at the same frame rate and the same resolutions, I believe the X9000 has more head room and it will play 1080p 30fps for at least one year or more further into the future compared to a T9500 or a T9300.
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Re: X9000 - is it worth it?

#18 Post by sebileis » Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:30 am

Thanks everyone for the replies - I think I'm going to bite the bullet and invest the extra $ into an X9000. Once I have that and a W500 fan, and a new wireless card, I'll be all set for the ultimate retro ThinkPad!
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Re: X9000 - is it worth it?

#19 Post by TinkerMan » Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:56 am

sebileis wrote:
Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:30 am
Thanks everyone for the replies - I think I'm going to bite the bullet and invest the extra $ into an X9000. Once I have that and a W500 fan, and a new wireless card, I'll be all set for the ultimate retro ThinkPad!
good choice for heatsink, run very quiet and cools well the X9000, however you should be aware of one thing, in the upper left corner there are 3 very small and very thin fins which will need to be flattened before you install it, or more precisely, before putting back the LCD panel, these 3 fins are too high and will interfere with the left foot of the lcd panel, it is very simple to flatten them, just push gently towards you with your finger nail, they are so thin, and made of copper, they will align perfectly flat with the 2 outermost heatpipes, see image below,

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Re: X9000 - is it worth it?

#20 Post by storm-chaser » Sat Jul 13, 2019 6:44 pm

sebileis wrote:
Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:30 am
Thanks everyone for the replies - I think I'm going to bite the bullet and invest the extra $ into an X9000. Once I have that and a W500 fan, and a new wireless card, I'll be all set for the ultimate retro ThinkPad!
Just letting you know you might take some flack for calling it a "retro" ThinkPad. Apparently, the people who define "retro computing" also happen to be members of this forum, and some of them insist that the T60/T61 is in fact, NOT retro. This is a fallacy, obviously they don't understand the true definition of retro, so if I were you I'd stand your ground!

As for the X9000 CPU, good call. It is the modders favorite CPU choice. I'm assuming the W500 fan is a more robust cooling solution than a standard T61? Otherwise I would recommend TPFanControl to help keep the CPU in check. I have my T61p and X9000 running at 3.4Ghz for the most part (seems like a good compromise of power vs performance), but I've pushed it to 4.2Ghz @ 1.5v on a few separate occasions. That 4.2 result got me 3rd overall for this CPU at HWBOT.
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Re: X9000 - is it worth it?

#21 Post by sebileis » Sat Jul 13, 2019 9:36 pm

storm-chaser wrote:
Sat Jul 13, 2019 6:44 pm
sebileis wrote:
Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:30 am
Thanks everyone for the replies - I think I'm going to bite the bullet and invest the extra $ into an X9000. Once I have that and a W500 fan, and a new wireless card, I'll be all set for the ultimate retro ThinkPad!
Just letting you know you might take some flack for calling it a "retro" ThinkPad. Apparently, the people who define "retro computing" also happen to be members of this forum, and some of them insist that the T60/T61 is in fact, NOT retro. This is a fallacy, obviously they don't understand the true definition of retro, so if I were you I'd stand your ground!

As for the X9000 CPU, good call. It is the modders favorite CPU choice. I'm assuming the W500 fan is a more robust cooling solution than a standard T61? Otherwise I would recommend TPFanControl to help keep the CPU in check. I have my T61p and X9000 running at 3.4Ghz for the most part (seems like a good compromise of power vs performance), but I've pushed it to 4.2Ghz @ 1.5v on a few separate occasions. That 4.2 result got me 3rd overall for this CPU at HWBOT.
I don't plan on overclocking the X9000, as it gets pretty hot even with the W500 fan. I'll see how well everything performs "as is" after installing them and then I'll look into the tpfancontrol fine-tuning.
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Re: X9000 - is it worth it?

#22 Post by Raidriar » Sat Jul 13, 2019 11:46 pm

sebileis wrote:
Sat Jul 13, 2019 9:36 pm
storm-chaser wrote:
Sat Jul 13, 2019 6:44 pm

Just letting you know you might take some flack for calling it a "retro" ThinkPad. Apparently, the people who define "retro computing" also happen to be members of this forum, and some of them insist that the T60/T61 is in fact, NOT retro. This is a fallacy, obviously they don't understand the true definition of retro, so if I were you I'd stand your ground!

As for the X9000 CPU, good call. It is the modders favorite CPU choice. I'm assuming the W500 fan is a more robust cooling solution than a standard T61? Otherwise I would recommend TPFanControl to help keep the CPU in check. I have my T61p and X9000 running at 3.4Ghz for the most part (seems like a good compromise of power vs performance), but I've pushed it to 4.2Ghz @ 1.5v on a few separate occasions. That 4.2 result got me 3rd overall for this CPU at HWBOT.
I don't plan on overclocking the X9000, as it gets pretty hot even with the W500 fan. I'll see how well everything performs "as is" after installing them and then I'll look into the tpfancontrol fine-tuning.
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Re: X9000 - is it worth it?

#23 Post by TinkerMan » Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:27 pm

OHHH YEAH, its soo worth it
being inspired by another post I installed throttlestop, I never used this software before in my life, and in just half an hour I managed to get my X9000 stable at 3.4 GHz with 1.2250 volts. after being sure its stable I went ahead and retested on the same youtube videos for which I posted results earlier, so now, the system can handle without a problem the 1080p at 60 FPS and also 1440p at 30 FSP. its like magic.
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Re: X9000 - is it worth it?

#24 Post by wujstefan » Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:22 am

wujstefan wrote:
Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:14 am
X9000 can archieve 3.2/3.4GHz with no voltage increase, but runs hottest of all ofthem.
TinkerMan wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:27 pm
OHHH YEAH, its soo worth it
being inspired by another post I installed throttlestop, I never used this software before in my life, and in just half an hour I managed to get my X9000 stable at 3.4 GHz with 1.2250 volts. after being sure its stable I went ahead and retested on the same youtube videos for which I posted results earlier, so now, the system can handle without a problem the 1080p at 60 FPS and also 1440p at 30 FSP. its like magic.
It's not like "I told you"? ;)
It's good you're happy with it. I'm now working on my own T61p to make it shine, and X9000 is the next step :) If you are planning to push this CPU any further remember to tinker a bit with the heatsink. T61p is not at its best when it comes to cooling compared to bigger, 17" platforms and has some trouble when the voltage is increased.

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Re: X9000 - is it worth it?

#25 Post by TinkerMan » Tue Jul 16, 2019 4:03 am

wujstefan wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:22 am
If you are planning to push this CPU any further remember to tinker a bit with the heatsink. T61p is not at its best when it comes to cooling compared to bigger, 17" platforms and has some trouble when the voltage is increased.
what exactly do you mean by tinkering with it heatsink? you mean fan RPM or something else
I use a W500 heatsink and fan assembly.

true at 3.4 GHz its darn hot, really hot, but, at stock speed with voltage reduced to 1.1 the X9000 is quite cool
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Re: X9000 - is it worth it?

#26 Post by wujstefan » Tue Jul 16, 2019 5:29 am

T61p heatsink proved to perform the best in my system.
You may consider polishing contact plates and applying some high-grade thermal compound. It does make a couple of degrees of difference.

If you feel strong in these areas, modding a heatsink itself by adding extra heatpipes is possible, albeit difficult (requires copper soldering with pure tin or pretty much advanced welding).

EDIT: what are your temps?
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Re: X9000 - is it worth it?

#27 Post by TinkerMan » Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:11 am

wujstefan wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 5:29 am
T61p heatsink proved to perform the best in my system.
You may consider polishing contact plates and applying some high-grade thermal compound. It does make a couple of degrees of difference.

If you feel strong in these areas, modding a heatsink itself by adding extra heatpipes is possible, albeit difficult (requires copper soldering with pure tin or pretty much advanced welding).

EDIT: what are your temps?
I polished the contact surface eof the heatsink but not to extreme, and I use arctic silver 5 so yeah pretty high grade thermal paste.
I get 48 in idle but here the ambient temp are around 30 Celsius these days. Might get better temps during winter.
Under full stress I am below 70 stock clock
At 3,4 GHz I get above 80 Celsius under load and around 53-55 on idle
My heatsink already comes with 3 heatpipes, and even if I wanted to add more I wouldn't have the space.
W530, 3630QM, 32GB, K2000M
P1, XEON 2176, 32GB ECC, P2000, IPS
X230, 3320M, 16GB, HD4000, IPS
T601F X9000, 8GB, X3100, UXGA FlexView 1600x1200
T61 14" 4:3, T9500, 8GB, NVS140M
T60 14" 4:3, T7600, 3GB, GMA950
P71, 7700HQ, 16GB, P600, IPS
X201, R61i, T430s, T43p

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Re: X9000 - is it worth it?

#28 Post by wujstefan » Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:09 am

TinkerMan wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:11 am
I polished the contact surface eof the heatsink but not to extreme, and I use arctic silver 5 so yeah pretty high grade thermal paste.
I get 48 in idle but here the ambient temp are around 30 Celsius these days. Might get better temps during winter.
Under full stress I am below 70 stock clock
At 3,4 GHz I get above 80 Celsius under load and around 53-55 on idle
These are acceptable in 15" system.
TinkerMan wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:11 am
My heatsink already comes with 3 heatpipes, and even if I wanted to add more I wouldn't have the space.
There is enough space to fit 2 more in 4:3 15" system. However, 80C under full load seem fine.
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