T60p sluggish with Win 10. Any solution

[Think43p]

I'm running Win 10 32bit on my T60p 2007WUK that's maxed out with 4gb(3gb) RAM, a Samsung 860 SSD, a T7600 processor, a T61 heatsink and a very fresh install of Win 10. I also have another SSD with Win 7 - 32 bit on it and when I swap this one into the laptop, it runs like a horse on steroids.

The laptop is comparatively very sluggish with Win 10. Is there anything I can do to tweak Win 10 or anything else to make this even marginally closer to the performance of Win 7?

Oh Microsoft!!!!!!!

[kfzhu1229]

Consider disable things like Spectre and Meltdown patches if you don't mind the security tradeoff?
In certain workloads disabling them makes a huge performance difference.
However, I think your experience is largely bottlenecked by the SATA1 only speed for the hard drive that the computer can handle. SATA1 vs 2 can make a world of difference.
Your Samsung SSD is as a result severely slowed down.

[TitoLabieno]

I would advise to use Windows 10 LTSC if possible as it is much lighter and it doesn't have as much background processes running. Also, the updates you get are security updates, not those big feature updates which takes a long time to install and break stuff. You won't get modern apps and the Microsoft Store though.

[Think43p]

Consider disable things like Spectre and Meltdown patches if you don't mind the security tradeoff?
In certain workloads disabling them makes a huge performance difference.
However, I think your experience is largely bottlenecked by the SATA1 only speed for the hard drive that the computer can handle. SATA1 vs 2 can make a world of difference.
Your Samsung SSD is as a result severely slowed down.

Thanks for the tip. My workload is very basic but - browsing, word etc. but its still very bugging to have a sluggish machine that acts like a kicikng and screaming kid when it does wonders with Win 7

[Think43p]

I would advise to use Windows 10 LTSC if possible as it is much lighter and it doesn't have as much background processes running. Also, the updates you get are security updates, not those big feature updates which takes a long time to install and break stuff. You won't get modern apps and the Microsoft Store though.

Thanks for the tip. I searched for LTSC but there's a cost involved but thats ok I can spend some money but whats the guarantee that it will run anywhere closer to Win 7. I really dont use modern apps or the MS store and not gaming, just word and browsing.

[ajkula66]

Thanks for the tip. I searched for LTSC but there's a cost involved but thats ok I can spend some money but whats the guarantee that it will run anywhere closer to Win 7. I really dont use modern apps or the MS store and not gaming, just word and browsing.

There's no guarantee. You're running a 15-year-old machine which was never intended to handle to load of today's web in any OS, let alone W10.

Go back to W7 or find a light Linux distro. That's what I would do with such a system anyway.

[Think43p]

Consider disable things like Spectre and Meltdown patches if you don't mind the security tradeoff?
In certain workloads disabling them makes a huge performance difference.
However, I think your experience is largely bottlenecked by the SATA1 only speed for the hard drive that the computer can handle. SATA1 vs 2 can make a world of difference.
Your Samsung SSD is as a result severely slowed down.

Thanks for the tip. My workload is very basic but - browsing, word etc. but its still very bugging to have a sluggish machine that acts like a kicikng and screaming kid when it does wonders with Win 7

Also a follow up question. Why wasn't the SATA 1 speed a problem with Win 7?

[Think43p]

Thanks for the tip. I searched for LTSC but there's a cost involved but thats ok I can spend some money but whats the guarantee that it will run anywhere closer to Win 7. I really dont use modern apps or the MS store and not gaming, just word and browsing.

There's no guarantee. You're running a 15-year-old machine which was never intended to handle to load of today's web in any OS, let alone W10.

Go back to W7 or find a light Linux distro. That's what I would do with such a system anyway.

Thanks George,

The issue I have with going back to Win 7 is that I have it on a DVD with one of the first releases of the OS and once the install is complete, and when I try to do Windows Update, I dont get any update, just an error message. I really thought that I would atleast get the updates that MS gave till Jan 14, 2020.

[ajkula66]

The issue I have with going back to Win 7 is that I have it on a DVD with one of the first releases of the OS and once the install is complete, and when I try to do Windows Update, I dont get any update, just an error message. I really thought that I would atleast get the updates that MS gave till Jan 14, 2020.

Well, I may be an outlier here but as long as you have SP1 installed - for practical reasons, not security ones - you should be good to go. I've always considered WU to be a waste of time, and with MS sneaking in various tracking mechanisms later on in W7, I really see no need to have any of them. My machines have been locked out of updates for years now.

Obviously, YMMV.

[dr_st]

Also a follow up question. Why wasn't the SATA 1 speed a problem with Win 7?

I don't think it's the SATA speed per se; more likely the Win10 workflow is much more storage-bound than Win7, as it was released around the time SATA3 and fast SSDs were already commonplace

The issue I have with going back to Win 7 is that I have it on a DVD with one of the first releases of the OS and once the install is complete, and when I try to do Windows Update, I dont get any update, just an error message. I really thought that I would atleast get the updates that MS gave till Jan 14, 2020.

You can get a fairly recent, August 2018 Win7 ISO through HeiDoc.net's Windows ISO Downloader:
https://www.heidoc.net/joomla/technolog ... nload-tool

[davidgurvich]

T60p has 2 possible graphics chips. The intel chip should run as well as it ever did with the basic driver. There is no W10 driver for the ATI X1300. The W7 driver might work if installed in compatibility mode. The good news is it's unlikely to be broken down hardware as W7 works.

[ajkula66]

T60p has 2 possible graphics chips. The intel chip should run as well as it ever did with the basic driver. There is no W10 driver for the ATI X1300. The W7 driver might work if installed in compatibility mode. The good news is it's unlikely to be broken down hardware as W7 works.

Intel integrated graphics was not an option on "p" models, only ATi V5200 or V5250. OP's unit sports the former.

[davidgurvich]

I think I got confused with T60 but could still be a driver issue with the graphics. I don't believe there is a native W10 driver for the V5200 either. There's a report on microsoft support about installing X1600 W7 drivers for V5200 https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/win ... 8274c14b53

[ajkula66]

I think I got confused with T60 but could still be a driver issue with the graphics. I don't believe there is a native W10 driver for the V5200 either. There's a report on microsoft support about installing X1600 W7 drivers for V5200 https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/win ... 8274c14b53

Correct. No native support in anything past W7 for these ancient GPUs.