T43p or T60 graphics chip -- which one is better?

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onix · #1 Post by **onix** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 11:01 pm

I am so glad I cancelled my order for a T43p two months back. If any comparisons have been made, does anyone know if the 128MB X1400 GPU in the T60 is better than the 128MB ATI FireGL V3200? And is the GPU in the T60p that much better??

Thanks!

own6volvos · #2 Post by **own6volvos** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 11:23 pm

The FireGL blows the X1400 out of the water, but in different terms. It is a professional CAD card, not gaming one.

dr_st · #3 Post by **dr_st** » Thu Feb 09, 2006 12:48 am

For gaming performance, X1400 should be a notch better than the V3200, but not as good as the V5200.

lvlolvlo · #4 Post by **lvlolvlo** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 6:24 am

i have the 3200 256MB and I can't run Call of Duty

I can play FarCry, and MS Flight Sim, but no on the Call of Duty....

grimmster · #5 Post by **grimmster** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 12:13 pm

The fireGL v3200 does not blow the x1400 out of the water. Actually the x1400 should return better performance in almost everything but intensive openGL apps.

The FireGL v5200 however should beat the x1400 in almost everything.

The x1400 should play most all new games, but probably not at highest settings.

redchair · #6 Post by **redchair** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 3:18 pm

The FireGL V3200 is good for one thing: unified drivers. Unified drivers are supposed to be an industry safeguard to REALLY make sure designers don't see missing pieces on their CAD designs (why this is not handled well enough by OpenGL and Direct3D outright I do not know). I have SolidWorks which takes advantage of that function, and really, it isn't that impressive.

Just for the record, for any student user, SolidWorks works just fine on Intel integrated graphics on the P4 desktops at school: on Intel IG there is just ONE visualization option missing, and it isn't that useful to work in it either.

http://www.solidworks.com/pages/service ... sting.html

This really does not mean much when it comes to gaming. I don't know about the X1400, but I know the X1600 is an entirely new generation of GPU and should be vastly superior the the FireGL V3200.

jeremivw · #7 Post by **jeremivw** » Sat Feb 25, 2006 2:55 pm

redchair wrote:...but I know the X1600 is an entirely new generation of GPU and should be vastly superior the the FireGL V3200.

I think I read in another thread that the v5200 in the T60p is actually an X1600 chip...is that what you mean here, redchair? Man I hope that's true...

The v5200 isn't listed on ATI's website!

Northern Lights · #8 Post by **Northern Lights** » Sat Feb 25, 2006 6:04 pm

grimmster wrote:The FireGL v5200 however should beat the x1400 in almost everything.

I also read in another forum (dont remember where) that the v5200 actually is a x-1600.
v3200 did not like open GL games like HalfLife, CS.source etc.

Is it likely that v5200 like this games more?? Is openGL OK for this model?
Or is v5200 still just for CAD etc.
PS: I know that the thinkpad is not made for gaming...

But I cant help it..........

digitalfrost · #9 Post by **digitalfrost** » Sat Feb 25, 2006 6:29 pm

There's a graphic chip comparator here: http://www.rage3d.de/grafikkartendb.php?id=72 It's in german, but it's easy, just select another graphic card from the dropdown list an click ok.
As you can see, the mobile and desktop version of the X1300/X1400 all use the RV515 Chip.
The X1400 is clocked the same as the desktop X1300 (not Pro) @ 450Mhz, while the X1300 is the exactly same chip @ 390Mhz. The desktop Pro version is running @ 600Mhz.
When I get my T60 i will try to overclock the X1300 to X1400 specs, theoretically they should have equal performance, as long as the ram size isn't the bottleneck.

Edit: I was also thinking about buying the T60 with X1400, but the model containing the X1400 is about 400-500€ more around here (It has of course also a larger harddisk, more ram etc...). I'd rather invest this money into my desktop PC, i get more bang for the buck. On the other hand, I don't need the graphics power for anything other than a little gaming every now and then.

Edit2: Just noticed I postet this to the wrong thread, sorry. Should have been in the X1300/X1400 thread.

dr_st · #10 Post by **dr_st** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 4:37 am

Northern Lights wrote:I also read in another forum (dont remember where) that the v5200 actually is a x-1600.
v3200 did not like open GL games like HalfLife, CS.source etc.

Is it likely that v5200 like this games more?? Is openGL OK for this model?
Or is v5200 still just for CAD etc.

Strangely, one would think that the FireGL cards that are optimized for OpenGL should actually like those games more...

Anyhow, you should be able to install Radeon or Omega drivers on the FireGL and make it behave just like the Radeon it's based on.

redchair · #11 Post by **redchair** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 6:05 pm

jeremivw wrote: I think I read in another thread that the v5200 in the T60p is actually an X1600 chip...is that what you mean here, redchair? Man I hope that's true...

The v5200 isn't listed on ATI's website!

Hi, what I meant was, the X1600 should be a new architecture because it contains new power saving features and is built on a new 90 nm process.http://ir.ati.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=10542 ... &highlight About the v5200 not being listed, guess it lives only as a press release for now. http://ir.ati.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=10542 ... highlight= That's the ATI bureaucracy at work.

fbrdphreak · #12 Post by **fbrdphreak** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 3:32 pm

Let me see if I can clear a couple things up:

MR 9600/9700: 4 pixel pipelines, 9700 clocked higher
MFGL V3200: 4 pixel pipelines, more VRAM, clocked near 9600 levels I believe

MR X1300/X1400: 4 pixel pipelines, X1400 clocked higher, otherwise the same (some mfr's can implement 64-bit bus if they choose...)

MR X1600: 12 pixel pipelines, I believe 12 shader units, 90nm

MFGL V5200: Should be same hardware config as MR X1600, more VRAM I believe, drivers not game optimized of course

If you want the best gaming possible in a Thinkpad, get the V5200 and load some modded drivers for gaming. The X1400 isn't bad for a portable machine, but its not good. Here's a sneak preview on some scores:

T60 2.0GHz Core Duo, 1GB DDR2, 100GB 5400RPM, 128MB X1400
3DMark05: 2079
3DMark06: 748
FEAR on low settings @ 1400x1050: 26fps
FEAR on low settings @ 1024x768: 47fps (And by low settings, I mean looks like [censored])

bg4533 · #13 Post by **bg4533** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 10:02 am

fbrdphreak wrote: T60 2.0GHz Core Duo, 1GB DDR2, 100GB 5400RPM, 128MB X1400
3DMark05: 2079
3DMark06: 748
FEAR on low settings @ 1400x1050: 26fps
FEAR on low settings @ 1024x768: 47fps (And by low settings, I mean looks like [censored])

My machine is almost identical except I have 2GB of RAM and the Omega drivers installed. 3dMark 2005 was just shy of 2300.

kd78 · #14 Post by **kd78** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 11:39 am

digitalfrost wrote:When I get my T60 i will try to overclock the X1300 to X1400 specs, theoretically they should have equal performance, as long as the ram size isn't the bottleneck.

what is the best app to control overclocking for the ati gpu? I have read about powerstrip but anything else? Also, has anyone tried overclocking the x1400 yet? If so, what are the highest stable setting you have been able to achieve and did you see a big performance increase in gaming?

T43p or T60 graphics chip -- which one is better?

T43p or T60 graphics chip -- which one is better?

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