NEW T60 Temperature Thread - Especially high GPU Temperature

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Petekilla · #61 Post by **Petekilla** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 5:44 pm

would you consider this fan noise to be loud in a quiet(small) room? I will be using this constantly, in the library and in room and would like to get a better idea. The Laptop i am using currently has an abundance of fan noise and use, so i am trying to stray away from this as much as possible.

Petekilla · #62 Post by **Petekilla** » Fri Aug 11, 2006 10:34 pm

Well I shot for the T60p, recieved in less than a week and sound on fan is not really noticeable as of now. I can hear it slightly, but you nothing serious AT ALL. Compare to my gateway laptop and it is nothing. No serious applications used yet though. will keep posted and will post temps later (if needed.).

ennma · #63 Post by **ennma** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:15 pm

the reading off tpfanocntrol whilst playing 3 movies 1 of which dvd

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m244 ... rol1-1.jpg

please comment for improvement

thanks

Ennma

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quickie · #64 Post by **quickie** » Sun Aug 20, 2006 8:32 pm

A quick update from the t60 temperature front

My 14.1 t60 x1400 now turns off the fan occasionally and after 20-45 second it turns it on again, which is kinda annoying.

I've been playing around with the ccc powerplay settings for a while and it seems, even though I changed the setting for battery use to max. power saving (or whatever it's called in english), it doesn't seem to apply the changes. It keeps telling me my thinkpad is plugged in and running max. perform. settings. Anyone else noticing this behavior ?

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ischg · #65 Post by **ischg** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:31 pm

I just received my T60 (2007-72U), and it's a truly great machine

. However, the GPU turned out to run as hot as I feared.

Right now I've been running the machine for a while (slight use) and I've got:

GPU 73 deg C
CPU 51 deg C

Sure, it's a warm evening (I guess about 24 deg indoors), but for idling, the GPU is still kinda hot. Earlier today, I was running one CPU full blast with some research code and the other one full blast with fgl_glxgears (I'm on linux) to force the GPU 3D effects and got

GPU 88 deg C
CPU 67 deg C

while the GPU was idling at 67 deg before (this was with better air conditioning). I don't want to try this now ...

After having voiced some worries before I ordered my T60, I thought I'd post my results. I probably will have to send my machine in, since I have another problem with power management (high pitched noise when on battery). Can't wait to have it back though ...

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T60 - 2007-72U (15", ATI x1400)

Omou · #66 Post by **Omou** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 7:35 pm

Hello everyone,

Thought I'd post again and ask about this ever-present GPU situation again. First off, how many people here are running Linux and using the fglrx display drivers from ATI?

Also, does anyone have any hard data on what kind of sustained temperatures will cause damage to the CPU and GPU? I have thusfar not been able to get decent information regarding this.

My system is typically in an environment with air temperature of 24-26 degrees C. when using any kind of 3-D graphics, a game, fgl-glxgears, or Celestia, the GPU temperature will climb from about 75C rapidly to 90-100 degrees C! This happens even when I set the power-play feature (using aticonfig) to even the lowest setting (1) corresponding to 128 / 135 MHz (core / mem) frequencies. This behavior manifests under all system power control settings (using cpufreq and the powersave daemon). Temp. is slightly lower on the lowest ATI power setting, but still in the upper 90s and I find that a bit disturbing. Am I justified in being worried?

The most pertinent question then, might just be this. Is anyone else out there using the fglrx drivers (any between 8.26.18 and 8.28.8. ) getting graphical artifacts when using 3-D acceleration? In some games, like UT2004, and even in the seemingly low-demand Celestia after varying lenghts of time after starting said program, artifacts start to occur. It usually starts with some random polygon flickering,then larger tirangual polygons, mostly black shadow the display until using the application becomes impossible. What are your opinions on what might be causing this? The high temperature? The drivers? A combination of both? The distribution? (Debian / Etch [testing]) If the artifacts are just due to buggy drivers, I'd be perfectly fine with accepting that for now. If they're due to high temperature or even worse, thermal damage to the chip, I'd be much more upset.

The only additional fact I think is necessary to mention is that this is the second GPU and planar card that has been installed in this computer and both have exhibited the same behavior. I'm not sure what to make of that, both unique chips running at a very high temperature.

The fan/heatsink unit has been replaced as well, as the fan was making a high-pitched noise a while back. I marked several components inside before sending it back to confirm that they actually did what they said they did. Everything's copacetic as far as that's concerned.

The only thing that remains to tarnish my experience with this fine piece of computing splendidness is this pesky heat issue. Like I said, just trying to keep this alive and foster some more cooperation in stirring up additional information. I might try starting a thread over at rage3d.com as well. Thanks for everyone's input so far.

--Omou

agarza · #67 Post by **agarza** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 1:10 am

I'm not a T60/p owner, I own a T42p manufactured in Mexico (my country). the laptop is more than 2months old since I bought it from a IBM employee.

The laptop came from the factory with the short fan, which the heatsink do not reach the GPU, hence it becomes too hot when playing. However, If I were doing normal stuff, no playing, just surfing the Web, the GPU temps was about 50-56C.

Then I called the IBM employee and offered me to replace the fan for the long assembly. The one with the pink thermal pad.
This person's brother traveled to my house and installed the new fan, and was done in under 20 minutes! Certainly this person was IBM certified, so I had no worries.

The CPU ran @ 48C an the GPU @ 52C, dependant on the conditions the laptop was used. When gaming, I noticed the fan actively spins @ >4000rpm, and the left side of my Thinkpad really hot. the GPU reaching 88C when gaming.

I thought that was unacceptable, so I did nirvana001 procedure to replace both thermal compounds on CPU/GPU with Arctic Silver 5.

After finally being content with the exact amount of AS5 used in the cores, my temps now are CPU @ 49-52C, GPU @ 52-54C. This are preliminary temps as there's still about 150 hours for the AS5 compound to get its consistency and work 100%

When playing right now, the CPU maxes about 64-66C, the GPU haven't seen it rise above 76C approx.

I noticed also that thanks to the Arctic Silver 5 high purity, the heat is dissipated very quickly, when I exit a game. The CPU and GPU decreases a hell lot faster than before.

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So, if you people with T60/p's are having issues with the heat, I recommend you to open uo your machine and check if the heatsink assembly is well fitted-in. And if you're brave enough and want to make your system run cooler, then buy ArctiClean & Arctic Silver 5 and you would shock yourself: The differences in temperature drop are amazing compared to the stock IBM thermal compound.

Just another thing: I applied AS5 on a Thinkpad T30. If I use T43 Fan Control on that machine and make the software to tell the fan to work at full steam (Level 7), the machine CPU easily stays cool @ 34C!! Just to show how effective the AS5 is.

Try it now

dickeywang · #68 Post by **dickeywang** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 12:03 am

The idle temp on my T60(2007-66U):
CPU: 50C
GPU: 73C
MiniPCI:37C
HDD: 36C
Battery: 33C

The overclocked X800GTO on my desktop is much cooler than the X1400. I know I can probability open the TP and apply some AS5 on the HSF, but shouldn't that have been included in the money we've already paid?

agarza · #69 Post by **agarza** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 12:55 am

Dang. GPU temp is higher. I wonder what should be the GPU after playing a game, or stressing it with ATi Tool.
Surely Arctic silver 5 will help. Maybe the T60 heatsink have also the pink thermal pad on the GPU. Removing it could allow better heat dissipation.

I've seen also the HMM, and the heatsink area that covers the GPU is smaller compared to the one on T4x series.
Possible design flaws. In comparison my FireGL T2 is 75 after stressing it like after 30min.

SlyD · #70 Post by **SlyD** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 5:24 am

Maybe it is a mistake to post my TPFanctrol readings here?

CPU 40°C (0x78)
APS 30°C (0x79)
PCM 35°C (0x7a)
GPU 43°C (0x7b) <----

BAT 27°C (0x7c)
BAT 25°C (0x7e)
BUS 34°C (0xc0)
PCI 34°C (0xc1)
PWR 42°C (0xc2)

Thinkpad _R_60 with X1400 GPU after 1h of normal web surfing. Powerplay on low settings, Fan is set manually to run @ 2700 RPM. (otherwise it gets up to 55°C and then the Fan turns on)

filter · #71 Post by **filter** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:12 am

You must be kidding me. How can it be, that my T60 is running about 20 degrees higher than your R60? This is ridiculous. I even payed more money for mine. It can't just be the bigger case can it?

SlyD · #72 Post by **SlyD** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:30 am

In fact I had two T60s before my R60. They both (X1400 and X1300) had >=64°C to 74°C GPU Temp when idle and hit 80 to 92°C under load.

But that was not why I returned them. I returned them because of the fan that made a strange high frequency sound and this gave me headaches. (there is a thread here in the forum about that... )

Now with the R60, everything is fine! I don't know if TPFancontrol reads the temps correctly, but they look OK.

The Cooling System of the R60 is different. The Fan and the heat vents look different than those of the T60. I think it is bigger but I did not open the machine so far.

Oh btw. the maximum temperature that I ever had with the R60 was 72°C (while 3dmark05 was running) - this is the same temp that I had on one of the T60s when it was IDLE!

I was as surprised about this big difference as you are now!

agarza · #73 Post by **agarza** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 5:36 pm

It's time to change to the R series

My T41p undervolted is 45C, GPU (undervolted): 48C

I want a R laptop

gunston · #74 Post by **gunston** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 7:01 pm

christopher_wolf wrote:There has to be some variance; simply from the fan noise of several Thinkpads I have heard, there must be. My T43 ended up being quieter than a T41 at a meeting once; various similar events occured as well to make me wonder just exactly what is the difference between the fans. I do know that the T4X Series has two fans available for it, the a short one and the M10 Long fan. What fan comes as default with what model I am not quite sure of.

did you apply Thermal Gease (artic silver) or even change your fan to M10 long fan?
some claimed that M10 long fan had a better ventilation performance and thus lower accoustic noise!!!

SPANKY. · #75 Post by **SPANKY.** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 9:11 pm

CPU 44°C (0x78)
APS 31°C (0x79)
PCM 33°C (0x7a)
GPU 59°C (0x7b)
BAT 28°C (0x7c)
BAT 26°C (0x7e)
BUS 36°C (0xc0)
PCI 40°C (0xc1)
PWR 39°C (0xc2)

this is my settings.i didnt do any changes because i dont know how or should i?Just surfing it runs at range fan=3050 to3200 speed,then shuts off at 56C/57C.Then when it reaches 63C fan kicks on.etc...Can i make a better setting?Oh and this set on Bios Mode.thx
I have a T60p 2623ddu

gt5l · #76 Post by **gt5l** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 8:04 am

I would like to try TPFanControl, but will it work on the T60p? does it install anything or does it run like evrest without installing anything. Also, when I run evrest i dont get a tem for the ATI card (see sig for details) is that normal and will TPFanControl give me a reading for ATI card. The only reason I am asking these questions is in the past i tried to instal some temp monitor software on a sony laptop and the thing crashed like there is no tomorrow. I dont want to re-live the nightmare

--Edit: It works I just tried it see report below

gunston · #77 Post by **gunston** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 8:08 am

SlyD wrote:Maybe it is a mistake to post my TPFanctrol readings here?

CPU 40°C (0x78)
APS 30°C (0x79)
PCM 35°C (0x7a)
GPU 43°C (0x7b) <----
BAT 27°C (0x7c)
BAT 25°C (0x7e)
BUS 34°C (0xc0)
PCI 34°C (0xc1)
PWR 42°C (0xc2)

Thinkpad _R_60 with X1400 GPU after 1h of normal web surfing. Powerplay on low settings, Fan is set manually to run @ 2700 RPM. (otherwise it gets up to 55°C and then the Fan turns on)

You must be kidding, this is the temperature behaviour of T43 (GPU > CPU), but not totally a T43 because its (PCI < CPU).

gt5l · #78 Post by **gt5l** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 3:04 pm

Here's mine
CPU 46°C (0x78)
APS 37°C (0x79)
PCM 35°C (0x7a)
GPU 66°C (0x7b)
BAT 33°C (0x7c)
BAT 31°C (0x7e)
BUS 41°C (0xc0)
PCI 48°C (0xc1)
PWR 46°C (0xc2)

abu_sme · #79 Post by **abu_sme** » Sun Apr 15, 2007 10:47 pm

CPU 54°C (0x78)
APS 37°C (0x79)
PCM 33°C (0x7a)
GPU 63°C (0x7b)
BAT 31°C (0x7c)
BAT 29°C (0x7e)
BUS 36°C (0xc0)
PCI 48°C (0xc1)
PWR 47°C (0xc2)

This is idling for about 45 minutes, but I am not too alarmed by that high temperature because:

1) I am running a dual display, that inherently heats up the GPU
2) I am downloading about 5 different torrents, that is sucking up a little bit of the CPU power (maybe 10-15%)
3) That fan level is at 1.

I set my fan to 7 just to see and my GPU has already dropped to 58 C! And that was about 90 seconds ago.

gunston · #80 Post by **gunston** » Sun Apr 15, 2007 10:50 pm

CPU 53癈 (0x78)
APS 51癈 (0x79)
PCM 43癈 (0x7a)
GPU 52癈 (0x7b)
BUS 47癈 (0xc0)
PCI 50癈 (0xc1)
PWR 48癈 (0xc2)

eMaringolo · #81 Post by **eMaringolo** » Sat Apr 21, 2007 7:58 pm

This are the readings on my Thinkpad R50p during normal operation (web, mail, chat, etc), feeding a 1600x1200 (UXGA) res:
CPU 40°C (0x78)
APS 47°C (0x79)
PCM 35°C (0x7a)
GPU 58°C (0x7b)
BAT 28°C (0x7c)

When I start a game, the temp of the GPU skyrockets up to 105 degrees in some cases.
I don't know if
a) TPFanControl has wrong readings
b) my thermal sensor is working bad
c) There is a bad contact between the chip and the systemboard (the chip has BGA mounting, so the bad contact may be generating heat)
d) the chip is very resistant to high temps.

As far as I could read in this forums, and others around the WWW the problem is only with Thinkpads with high end FireGL or Mobility Radeon chipsets. R50p has a FireGL T2-128 (based on Mobility Radeon 9600 Pro).

jlingo · #82 Post by **jlingo** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 7:02 pm

Here it's my results:
CPU 50°C (0x78)
APS 38°C (0x79)
PCM 38°C (0x7a)
GPU 51°C (0x7b)
BAT 27°C (0x7c)
BAT 26°C (0x7e)
BUS 45°C (0xc0)
PCI 49°C (0xc1)
PWR 47°C (0xc2)

3496RPM
Ambient temperature 26C

Does this mean that the newer generation of T60 does no longer exhibit heat problems? Mine was just purchased less than 1 month.

hoplite · #83 Post by **hoplite** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 9:09 pm

Just reading these boards my temps are:

CPU 57°C (0x78)
APS 36°C (0x79)
PCM 36°C (0x7a)
GPU 65°C (0x7b)
BAT 33°C (0x7c)
BAT 31°C (0x7e)
BUS 41°C (0xc0)
PCI 49°C (0xc1)
PWR 47°C (0xc2)

21C ambient right now. After 10 minutes of gaming:

CPU 76°C (0x78)
APS 40°C (0x79)
PCM 38°C (0x7a)
GPU 85°C (0x7b)
BAT 33°C (0x7c)
BAT 31°C (0x7e)
BUS 45°C (0xc0)
PCI 58°C (0xc1)
PWR 55°C (0xc2)

I've seen my GPU hit 90c before I shut down and let the comp cool down a bit. I'm getting pretty concerned because even under load I think these temps are too high.

I'd love if anyone else with a t60p widescreen could post their temps. If mine is running too hot I'm loathe to send it in for repair but I'll do it if I have to.

jlingo · #84 Post by **jlingo** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 11:15 pm

I don't understand, how come the temperature varies a lot from one thinkpad to the next? My thinkpad when I tried to reboot my computer 3 times in the row, the GPU only went up to 59C and after few minutes it went back down to 53C.
Ambient temperature is around 29C

gunston · #85 Post by **gunston** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 5:55 am

jlingo wrote:Here it's my results:
CPU 50°C (0x78)
APS 38°C (0x79)
PCM 38°C (0x7a)
GPU 51°C (0x7b)
BAT 27°C (0x7c)
BAT 26°C (0x7e)
BUS 45°C (0xc0)
PCI 49°C (0xc1)
PWR 47°C (0xc2)

3496RPM
Ambient temperature 26C

Does this mean that the newer generation of T60 does no longer exhibit heat problems? Mine was just purchased less than 1 month.

most probably your T60 isn't the ATI graphic card?

jlingo · #86 Post by **jlingo** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 6:53 am

gunston wrote:
jlingo wrote:Here it's my results:
CPU 50°C (0x78)
APS 38°C (0x79)
PCM 38°C (0x7a)
GPU 51°C (0x7b)
BAT 27°C (0x7c)
BAT 26°C (0x7e)
BUS 45°C (0xc0)
PCI 49°C (0xc1)
PWR 47°C (0xc2)

3496RPM
Ambient temperature 26C

Does this mean that the newer generation of T60 does no longer exhibit heat problems? Mine was just purchased less than 1 month.
most probably your T60 isn't the ATI graphic card?

Gunston,
I hope mine is ATI videocard since I have catalyst software installed and PC-Doctor confirmed the results:
Video Card
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

ATI Mobility Radeon X1400Manufacturer ATI Technologies Inc.
Video Card Chip Type ATI Mobility Radeon X1400 (0x7145)
Video Card BIOS BK-ATI VER009.012.001.025
Driver c:\windows\system32\drivers\atikmdag.sys
Version 8.33.6.0, 1-5-2007

gunston · #87 Post by **gunston** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 7:19 am

wow,
i thought the latest X1400 ATI graphic should be hotter.
looks like your thinkpad has the same temperature as my T43

jlingo · #88 Post by **jlingo** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 9:47 am

gunston wrote:wow,
i thought the latest X1400 ATI graphic should be hotter.
looks like your thinkpad has the same temperature as my T43

Yes even better when I'm at night with ambient of 24degrees
CPU 46°C (0x78)
APS 37°C (0x79)
PCM 36°C (0x7a)
GPU 47°C (0x7b)
BAT 31°C (0x7c)
BAT 30°C (0x7e)
BUS 39°C (0xc0)
PCI 46°C (0xc1)
PWR 44°C (0xc2)

2995 RPM

I guess T60 perhaps is already fully matured by now and here comes the buggy T61 just around the corner.

deforest · #89 Post by **deforest** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 9:53 am

For my t60p 20079FU, my temps are:

CPU 56°C (0x78)
HDD 39°C (0x79)
HDD 35°C (0x7a)
GPU 78°C (0x7b)
BAT 50°C (0x7c)
BAT 34°C (0x7e)
XC0 44°C (0xc0)
XC1 51°C (0xc1)
XC2 48°C (0xc2)

Before I used some canned air to blow dust out of the fan area the cpu/gpu were running 20°C higher, so 76/98 C respectively.

gunston · #90 Post by **gunston** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 10:58 am

this is the lesson taught... do not buy a newly roll out thinkpad product

NEW T60 Temperature Thread - Especially high GPU Temperature

High GPU temp, again... still.

Does it work on the T60p

See config in the Sig

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