Windows 2000 Clean Install

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brosen · #1 Post by **brosen** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 11:29 pm

Somebody has been able to do a full Windows 2000 Clean Install and working 100% ?, I am not able to make it work with the Intel SpeedStep, everything works fine the Speed Control, the CPU will always work at the maximun Speed, I have the T60p (2007-86U), if I do a Clean Windows XP installation, everything is fine, thanks

Ervin · #2 Post by **Ervin** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 11:35 pm

Does this help?
http://www.bios-drivers.com/drivers/129/129859.htm

P.S. Go here to get the driver installation file. I uploaded it, so that you won't need to go through all that crappy driverguide registration.

#3 Post by **GomJabbar** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 11:44 pm

While the above driver may work, why not get the IBM/Lenovo one?

Intel SpeedStep Technology Applet for Windows 2000 - ThinkPad R60, R60e,T60, T60p, X60, X60s, Z61e, Z61m, Z61t

Ervin · #4 Post by **Ervin** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 11:52 pm

Yeah...

domi · #5 Post by **domi** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 6:37 pm

GomJabbar wrote:While the above driver may work, why not get the IBM/Lenovo one?

Because it doesn't work, as reported by brosen. I just noticed the same on my X60s. I hope IBM/Lenovo can fix this asap.

brosen · #6 Post by **brosen** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 7:29 pm

domi wrote:
GomJabbar wrote:While the above driver may work, why not get the IBM/Lenovo one?
Because it doesn't work, as reported by brosen. I just noticed the same on my X60s. I hope IBM/Lenovo can fix this asap.

After many hours of investigation and try and error, I have concluded (it is also in an statement in IBM/Lenovo web site) that Windows 2000 it is NOT compatible with Code Duo, the problem is Microsoft !!!!!!,

asiafish · #7 Post by **asiafish** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 9:04 pm

How can the problem be with Microsoft? Windows 2000 was released back in 1999, about 7 years before the CoreDuo came out. if anyone is to blame for a 7-year-old OS not supporting a brand new processor its Intel.

christopher_wolf · #8 Post by **christopher_wolf** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 9:12 pm

Well, that and the fact that Intel probably doesn't care to support Windows 2000 in the first place.

Something in the back of my head is telling me that I read about this on the forum before, although I *do* suspect that it is to be expected with Windows 2000 standard because Windows XP Home, which is based straight off Windows 2000, will not support more than one CPU while Windows XP, which has many more additions, will support Core Duo. Windows 2003 should also support SMP.

asiafish · #9 Post by **asiafish** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 9:14 pm

Thats strange, the Windows 2000 COA on the bottom of my Toshiba Portege 4000 (PIII 750) says 1-2 CPU.

There was no Windows 2000 "Standard", only Windows 2000 Professional and Windows ME, which is a totally different OS and definitely NOT the basis of XP Home.

Besides, plenty of CoreDuo laptops come loaded with XP Home, which makes no sense as it doesn't support dual processors, but it still runs fine.

brosen · #10 Post by **brosen** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 9:18 pm

asiafish wrote:How can the problem be with Microsoft? Windows 2000 was released back in 1999, about 7 years before the CoreDuo came out. if anyone is to blame for a 7-year-old OS not supporting a brand new processor its Intel.

I agree,

christopher_wolf · #11 Post by **christopher_wolf** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 9:20 pm

Then I must be missing something. I think though, that for the for the COAs, Microsoft tried a different licensing tactic that counted 1-2 CPU systems; I do know, however, that they have made some small changes as of late. I don't think there are many dual-core system that get shipped with Windows 2000 on them, at least not from what I have seen.

Yes, I did mean Windows 2000 only; I jumped the gun a little when I was starting to think about Windows 2003 Server.

But as to Windows XP *Home* shipping on dual core systems? Now *that* I have no explanation for.

asiafish · #12 Post by **asiafish** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 10:15 pm

Its called marketing. When you go to Dell or whoever and buy a laptop with CoreDuo processor, they still put XP Home on the cheapo models. Not sure if Lenovo does the same with the ThinkPads, but I think they do with some of the 3000 series.

Andrew

domi · #13 Post by **domi** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 1:48 am

brosen wrote:After many hours of investigation and try and error, I have concluded (it is also in an statement in IBM/Lenovo web site) that Windows 2000 it is NOT compatible with Code Duo, the problem is Microsoft !!!!!!,

Do you have a link with the IBM/Lenovo statement? It would really be sad if it were the case. But assuming it is true, why did IBM/Lenovo release a T60/X60-specific version of the SpeedStep applet, giving us the impression the new Core processors *are* in fact compatible with W2K? Why didn't they make their statement there?

domi · #14 Post by **domi** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 1:54 am

christopher_wolf wrote:Well, that and the fact that Intel probably doesn't care to support Windows 2000 in the first place.

I seem to remember there are 3rd-party SpeedStep managers available for XP (some people think the built-in support is pretty dumb). Let's hope some smart person will do something similar for W2K, if Intel refuses to do it.

domi · #15 Post by **domi** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 1:59 am

asiafish wrote:Its called marketing. When you go to Dell or whoever and buy a laptop with CoreDuo processor, they still put XP Home on the cheapo models. Not sure if Lenovo does the same with the ThinkPads, but I think they do with some of the 3000 series.

Well, as recently as May-06, Lenovo released R60's and R60e's with CoreDuo, CoreSolo and Celeron-M. That's probably also called "marketing"

christopher_wolf · #16 Post by **christopher_wolf** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 2:37 am

Yeah, but this...this is just sad

Windows XP Home on a Core Duo machine...That is like using Windows 98 as a server OS; seriously, what gives? (Yes, I know that the excuse may be that "Oh, it's Vista Ready like it says on the site;" but, no, that doesn't cut it.)

brosen · #17 Post by **brosen** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 7:43 am

christopher_wolf wrote:Then I must be missing something. I think though, that for the for the COAs, Microsoft tried a different licensing tactic that counted 1-2 CPU systems; I do know, however, that they have made some small changes as of late. I don't think there are many dual-core system that get shipped with Windows 2000 on them, at least not from what I have seen.

Yes, I did mean Windows 2000 only; I jumped the gun a little when I was starting to think about Windows 2003 Server.

But as to Windows XP *Home* shipping on dual core systems? Now *that* I have no explanation for.

Just to clarify Windows 2000 will work, with 1 or 2 CPUs, the problems is, Windows 2000 will not be able to Manage the Speedstep Technology, so the CPU will run always at MAX speed.

brosen · #18 Post by **brosen** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 7:46 am

domi wrote:
brosen wrote:After many hours of investigation and try and error, I have concluded (it is also in an statement in IBM/Lenovo web site) that Windows 2000 it is NOT compatible with Code Duo, the problem is Microsoft !!!!!!,
Do you have a link with the IBM/Lenovo statement? It would really be sad if it were the case. But assuming it is true, why did IBM/Lenovo release a T60/X60-specific version of the SpeedStep applet, giving us the impression the new Core processors *are* in fact compatible with W2K? Why didn't they make their statement there?

I saw you have installed Windows 2000 SP4 in your X60s, how are you managing the CPU Speed and Powersave while in batteries ?, are you using NHC (Notebook Hardware Contro) or RightMark CPU ?, I was not able to succesfully manage the Speedstep Technology with any of those, please your comments, thanks

brosen · #19 Post by **brosen** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 7:49 am

domi wrote:
christopher_wolf wrote:Well, that and the fact that Intel probably doesn't care to support Windows 2000 in the first place.
I seem to remember there are 3rd-party SpeedStep managers available for XP (some people think the built-in support is pretty dumb). Let's hope some smart person will do something similar for W2K, if Intel refuses to do it.

They seems (3rd Party) to work fine under Windows 2000, but from what I've seen they do not behave properly

domi · #20 Post by **domi** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 11:32 am

asiafish wrote:Besides, plenty of CoreDuo laptops come loaded with XP Home, which makes no sense as it doesn't support dual processors, but it still runs fine.

How do you interpret the following link:
http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site. ... MIGR-62722

The following operating systems are supported on the ThinkPad Z60t system:
* Windows 2000 Professional (SP4*) with USB 2.0 support
* Windows XP Professional (SP1a*, or SP2) with USB 2.0 support
* Windows XP Home (SP1a*, or SP2) with USB 2.0 support
* Supported only when Core Multi-Processing is disabled.

-> I think it means SP2 is needed, whether it's Pro or Home doesn't make a difference. Or did I miss something?

domi · #21 Post by **domi** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 11:42 am

brosen wrote:I saw you have installed Windows 2000 SP4 in your X60s, how are you managing the CPU Speed and Powersave while in batteries ?

I bumped into the same problem as you: the SpeedStep applet for Windows 2000 won't load if Core Duo is enabled in BIOS. When it's disabled, it will load, but you still can't change the CPU speed (= CPU is running at the full 1.66 GHz all the time).

brosen wrote:are you using NHC (Notebook Hardware Contro) or RightMark CPU ?, I was not able to succesfully manage the Speedstep Technology with any of those, please your comments, thanks

I haven't tried either yet, but I'll take your word for granted. I did file a request by clicking on Submit a request on the SpeedStep applet page. I'm not too hopeful it will lead anywhere, though.

brosen · #22 Post by **brosen** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 11:46 am

domi wrote:
brosen wrote:I saw you have installed Windows 2000 SP4 in your X60s, how are you managing the CPU Speed and Powersave while in batteries ?
I bumped into the same problem as you: the SpeedStep applet for Windows 2000 won't load if Core Duo is enabled in BIOS. When it's disabled, it will load, but you still can't change the CPU speed (= CPU is running at the full 1.66 GHz all the time).

brosen wrote:are you using NHC (Notebook Hardware Contro) or RightMark CPU ?, I was not able to succesfully manage the Speedstep Technology with any of those, please your comments, thanks
I haven't tried either yet, but I'll take your word for granted. I did file a request by clicking on Submit a request on the SpeedStep applet page. I'm not too hopeful it will lead anywhere, though.

I think the answer from Lenovo will be "Windows 2000 is Supported only when Core Multi-Processing is disabled", as it is stated in their website. I feel bad

, about, this I have changed my X32 because T60p will be compatible with Windows 2000, and now I have to live with the JUNK XP.

brosen · #23 Post by **brosen** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 11:49 am

domi wrote:
brosen wrote:I saw you have installed Windows 2000 SP4 in your X60s, how are you managing the CPU Speed and Powersave while in batteries ?
I bumped into the same problem as you: the SpeedStep applet for Windows 2000 won't load if Core Duo is enabled in BIOS. When it's disabled, it will load, but you still can't change the CPU speed (= CPU is running at the full 1.66 GHz all the time).

brosen wrote:are you using NHC (Notebook Hardware Contro) or RightMark CPU ?, I was not able to succesfully manage the Speedstep Technology with any of those, please your comments, thanks
I haven't tried either yet, but I'll take your word for granted. I did file a request by clicking on Submit a request on the SpeedStep applet page. I'm not too hopeful it will lead anywhere, though.

I would suggest you to try NHC and RightMark, maybe I did something wrong ???

domi · #24 Post by **domi** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 12:11 pm

brosen wrote:I think the answer from Lenovo will be "Windows 2000 is Supported only when Core Multi-Processing is disabled", as it is stated in their website.

I'll let you know if/when I get a reply from them!

brosen wrote:I feel bad , about, this I have changed my X32 because T60p will be compatible with Windows 2000, and now I have to live with the JUNK XP.

Same here (switching from an X31 to an X60s): I was already rejoicing for having escaped the whole XP nonsense, for more than 5 years already! I still can't believe I'm forced to use it just to get the benefits of SpeedStep (a technology that has been working fine in W2K ever since the TP 600X/650MHz), back in early 2000.

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