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Hi Guys,

Has anyone come across a T60p P/N which has a 1600*1200 LCD and a Duo 2.33GHz processor ?

I have swept the web for it and the best I could find was 1600*1200 at 2.1G.

The 1600*1200 is my essential requirement, and having the highest processor power is my next priority. However what I found was that the WUXGA (I think that's the name for 1600*1200) is getting very slim in new productions and being gradually replaced with the new 1680*1050 (which is a loss of 20% from the vertical real estate).

Can anyone help ?

I am looking at the Tabook and these T60p models have a 2.33GHz T2700 processor:

2007-9EU
2007-9FU
2007-9GU
2007-9ZU

BTW, 1600x1200 is UXGA. WUXGA is 1920x1200. 1680x1050 is WSXGA+.

WUXGA is nice, but also tiring on the eyes at 15.4"... I do mostly software development so I appreciated the ability to view more lines of code without scrolling, but it did come at a cost. I chose to go with the SXGA+ (1680x1050) this time around. I highly recommend that you see the WUXGA in person and on a 15.4" screen prior to purchasing one, they are not for everyone.

Thanks guys,

I did find the 2.33 machine in the TABOOK.

Further : can anyone who already has this machine give me any
feedback regarding its performance ? this would be my first with Core Duo ... is there any real performance advantage ? Is it actually a dual processor ? i.e. does XP recognize two CPUs or is it just two processors which aid each other and appear as one ?

BTW : 1600*1200 is fantastic, and a feature that I would always sacrifice other performance benefits for it if I have to. I am used to it since the A21p (about 7 or 8 years now).

I spoke with a sales rep who said that Lenovo hasn't shipped a T60 with UXGA display in months. They are still taking orders, but he advised that I would probably unever get the unit.

These are the FlexView screens from the manufacturer that went out of business. Lenovo would appear to be holding the current inventory of displays for repairs.

-darren

Check out e-bay auction 230108571893

The new Core 2 Duo chips are actually two seperate physical processor cores that are combined on a single chip. You will see gains in performance in applications that are designed to take advantage of dual cores and when multitasking in general. Due to their increasing popularity, more and more applications will become optimized for dual cores so it would be wise to join the bandwagon if you are going to buy a new computer.

RonS wrote:Check out e-bay auction 230108571893

2900.00 !!

I got the 2623DDU and
http://cgi.ebay.com/Core-2-Duo-mobile-M ... 0094749081

For a whopping total of 1750.00

So if you are capable Id save the money and do the surgery. I had one year left on the warranty and bit the bullet.

So does anyone recommend the Z61p against the T60p ? The Z has a Core 2 Duo at 2.00 GHz and 1920x1200 while the T60p has a Core Duo (not Core 2) at 2.33G and 1600x1200 ?
BTW : money is no object, these machines shall be ordered for my Company.

Metalloy wrote:So does anyone recommend the Z61p against the T60p ? The Z has a Core 2 Duo at 2.00 GHz and 1920x1200 while the T60p has a Core Duo (not Core 2) at 2.33G and 1600x1200 ?
BTW : money is no object, these machines shall be ordered for my Company.

I own a Z61p and a T60p, with the same specs as described. The major differences are (to me, anyway)

Z61p:
Core2Duo (64Bit instruction support)
Memory Card Reader
Firewire
WUXGA

T60p:
UXGA
slightly lighter weight
CFRP Casing (instead of ABS as the z61p is)


Overall, I like the Z61p much better. The fact that z61p uses ABS doesn't seem to make it less sturdy (in my opinion). It just makes it slightly thicker. Personally, I also wanted the 64bit instruction set so I could run Linux x86_64, for development purposes.

You may have trouble finding the Z61Ps as they are not currently being made, and rumour has it that they are discontinued.

dsalyers wrote:

Metalloy wrote:So does anyone recommend the Z61p against the T60p ? The Z has a Core 2 Duo at 2.00 GHz and 1920x1200 while the T60p has a Core Duo (not Core 2) at 2.33G and 1600x1200 ?
BTW : money is no object, these machines shall be ordered for my Company.

I own a Z61p and a T60p, with the same specs as described. The major differences are (to me, anyway)

Z61p:
Core2Duo (64Bit instruction support)
Memory Card Reader
Firewire
WUXGA

T60p:
UXGA
slightly lighter weight
CFRP Casing (instead of ABS as the z61p is)


Overall, I like the Z61p much better. The fact that z61p uses ABS doesn't seem to make it less sturdy (in my opinion). It just makes it slightly thicker. Personally, I also wanted the 64bit instruction set so I could run Linux x86_64, for development purposes.

You may have trouble finding the Z61Ps as they are not currently being made, and rumour has it that they are discontinued.

Thanks a lot "dsalyers". So overall : you'd advise the Z61p if I can grab one ? Is there an overall noticeable performance difference between the two ? Especially the display : is LCD of the Z61p comparable to the Flexview on the T60p ? I heard that the Flexview is the best screen ever / with 200 NITS versus 150 NITS for the Z61p ( I really dont know what NITS stands for, but I understood that it relates to the brightness ), as well as the awsome viewing angle and anti-glare anti-reflection finish (or coating) over the Flexview.

Metalloy wrote: Thanks a lot "dsalyers". So overall : you'd advise the Z61p if I can grab one ? Is there an overall noticeable performance difference between the two ? Especially the display : is LCD of the Z61p comparable to the Flexview on the T60p ? I heard that the Flexview is the best screen ever / with 200 NITS versus 150 NITS for the Z61p ( I really dont know what NITS stands for, but I understood that it relates to the brightness ), as well as the awsome viewing angle and anti-glare anti-reflection finish (or coating) over the Flexview.

The z61p has a 175NIT display. I do think the the T60p's IPS UXGA is a nicer screen (not significantly, but I can tell a difference), and it is a little brighter, but not so much that I can use it somewhere I can't use the z61p (eg. direct bright sunlight).

If you search on google you can find a number of reviews comparing the same system with a CoreDuo and a similarly clocked Core2Duo. They basically show about 10% performance boost for the same clock rate, with little impact (if any) on battery life.

Depending on how long you plan to keep a laptop before replacing it, you may not care about the 64bit instruction set. Windows XP 64bit is not well supported, and even though Vista 64bit is a first tier release, there are still significantly more compatability issues (drivers and applications).

I will also throw another wrench into your decision, in that as you may know Intel is getting ready to release Santa Rosa (the next version of Centrino). This will have faster processors (just clock -- no major revision), and the ability to actually support 4GB+ ram in a laptop. But, then you run the risk of not getting a UXGA or WUXGA screen, as lenovo does not currently sell any and there is no indication if they will resume selling them with the next iteration of the Tseries.

Overall, I am sure you'd be happy with either laptop, I would probably get the one that was the better deal (assuming you don't actually need a 64bit cpu).