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Re: LCDs on T60/T60p - types, availability and other discussions

#391 Post by xsixt » Sat Mar 11, 2017 10:11 pm

RealBlackStuff wrote:HV150UX1 has CCFL backlight ex-factory
HV150UX2 has LED backlight ex-factory.
Don't you mean factory-fitted?

The term ex-factory means "price at the factory".
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#392 Post by RealBlackStuff » Sun Mar 12, 2017 7:27 am

The term ex-factory (or ex factory without dash) has been used hundreds of times on this forum, including in posts that predate my joining.
I've seen it used here on the Forum by European, American and Australian members.
http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.ph ... 15#p773715

See also: http://www.dictionary.com/browse/ex-
Word Origin and History for ex-

word-forming element, in English meaning mainly "out of, from," but also "upwards, completely, deprive of, without," and "former;" from Latin ex "out of, from within," from PIE *eghs "out" (cf. Gaulish ex-, Old Irish ess-, Old Church Slavonic izu, Russian iz). In some cases also from Greek cognate ex, ek. PIE *eghs had comparative form *eks-tero and superlative *eks-t(e)r-emo-.

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#393 Post by jaspen-meyer » Sun Apr 02, 2017 9:50 pm

from Wordnet
1. antique, demode, ex, old-fashioned, old-hat, outmoded, passe, passee -- (out of fashion; "a suit of rather antique appearance"; "demode (or outmoded) attire"; "outmoded ideas")
=> unfashionable (vs. fashionable), unstylish
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Re: LCDs on T60/T60p - types, availability and other discussions

#394 Post by marmoset » Mon Jun 26, 2017 8:39 pm

Can anyone offer me some advice on acquiring a matte-finish UXGA screen for a T60 I recently purchased and upgraded?

The candidates seem to be:

BOE Hydis: HV150UX1-100
CMO/IDTech: N150U3-L06
LG Philips: P150U03-A2P1

Based on TSC posts I've read, and specs I found on Panelook.com, the BOE Hydis seems best, the IDTech a close second, and the LG Philips a distant third.

But the BOE Hydis are evidently hard to get (seemingly only via ebay from certain vendors in China; I had some bad luck with one, and I'm thinking about trying another). Any ideas about alternative sources?

How well might I fare with the IDTech? How poorly with the LG Philips?

Thanks!

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#395 Post by ajkula66 » Mon Jun 26, 2017 9:45 pm

Welcome to the forum!
marmoset wrote:
Mon Jun 26, 2017 8:39 pm
Can anyone offer me some advice on acquiring a matte-finish UXGA screen for a T60 I recently purchased and upgraded?
All of the panels that you've mentioned have been out of production for about a decade now. In other words, the pickings are beyond slim.

I tend to stay away from Far East sources when it comes to stuff like this, but that's me.

The reality is that if you end up locating a NOS panel in the U.S. - be it ID Tech or Hydis - it's not going to be cheap presuming a trustworthy source. I'd expect to see a $150+ price tag prior to shipping for either of these.

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#396 Post by RealBlackStuff » Tue Jun 27, 2017 3:43 am

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#397 Post by marmoset » Tue Jun 27, 2017 5:48 pm

Thank you, ajkula66 and RealBlackStuff, for these prompt and helpful replies.

I'm okay with Far East sources per se. The only retail vendors I have found for genuine BOE Hydis and IDTech panels appear to be some Chinese companies selling on ebay, several of which seem to be on the level. But communication difficulties abound, and various costs (time, effort, shipping charges) quickly mount when trying to remedy quality or specification problems. :(

My luck with domestic vendors has been poor as well. I'm learning to beware the tacit substitution of "compatible" parts for what I thought I had specifically ordered! :eek:

So the Sharp LQ150U1LW22(N) panel that RealBlackStuff identified (which is available and inexpensive) might really help. Can anyone comment from experience on how it compares with the BOE Hydis and IDTech?

Also, the IDTech N150U3-[L01/L06] still seems like a possibility. Can anyone explain the L01/L06 distinction? Can anyone state explicitly what I would need to say, regarding the EDID, to the technical person who would install the screen for me?

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#398 Post by lab » Tue Dec 19, 2017 6:46 am

The Hydis HV150UX2 has some advantages, such as brightness, but there is for some a flickering issue due to PWM with ~250 Hz when dimmed.

With an Intel integrated graphics motherboard however it can easy be set to e.g. 8000 Hz eliminating the problem. I'm not sure of the nVidia board (T601 Frankenpad).

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#399 Post by wujstefan » Tue Dec 19, 2017 9:09 am

lab wrote:
Tue Dec 19, 2017 6:46 am
With an Intel integrated graphics motherboard however it can easy be set to e.g. 8000 Hz eliminating the problem. I'm not sure of the nVidia board (T601 Frankenpad).
Whoa! continue your thought please.
I have found the flicker really troubling, especially on intel boards, with PWM seeable at all brightness levels. nVidia is visible to my eyes only at the lowest brightness.
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#400 Post by lab » Tue Dec 19, 2017 11:56 am

wujstefan wrote:
Tue Dec 19, 2017 9:09 am
lab wrote:
Tue Dec 19, 2017 6:46 am
With an Intel integrated graphics motherboard however it can easy be set to e.g. 8000 Hz eliminating the problem. I'm not sure of the nVidia board (T601 Frankenpad).
Whoa! continue your thought please.
I have found the flicker really troubling, especially on intel boards, with PWM seeable at all brightness levels. nVidia is visible to my eyes only at the lowest brightness.

It's a hidden feature of the Intel driver, and easy to implement however I took a shortcut and used a program called IntelPWMControl. Works without problem on Windows 10 on my T601 with an older Intel graphics driver, I read that there might be some problem with the newest driver but haven't updated an tested that. I set it to 8192 Hz and the frequency of the PWM of the display is as set when I checked.

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https://raw.githubusercontent.com/dmytr ... elease.zip

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#401 Post by wujstefan » Tue Dec 19, 2017 2:34 pm

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#402 Post by ko » Fri Dec 29, 2017 11:39 pm

Would a Sharp LQ141U1LH02 work in a T60?
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#404 Post by NonesensE » Sat Dec 30, 2017 11:13 am

ko wrote:
Fri Dec 29, 2017 11:39 pm
Would a Sharp LQ141U1LH02 work in a T60?
Did you find one? I'm searching for quite a while now...

Yes, it works with a pin mod. If you plug it in directly, you will blow a fuse.
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#405 Post by fourthree » Tue May 08, 2018 12:41 pm

http://www.panelook.com/TDA150-005V01_B ... 33737.html

Scouted on panelook. HV150UX2 successor?
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#406 Post by zoltan87 » Tue Oct 30, 2018 2:36 pm

fourthree wrote:
Tue May 08, 2018 12:41 pm
http://www.panelook.com/TDA150-005V01_B ... 33737.html

Scouted on panelook. HV150UX2 successor?
Wow, I have just had a look, and indeed it looks like a new version of the old panel, with better specs! Although I see a different connector type (? LVDS 40 pin, instead of 30 on the old one). I wonder if there could be a way to make this panel work, Although I am not sure how available they are, for this screen panelook lists 0 suppliers, and only 2 available unitos on stock, meanwhile for all the other panel types I saw there, there were hundreds of suppliers.

Maybe it's just some kind of error, or the whole panel is just a prototype?
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#407 Post by DenizOezmen » Fri Jan 25, 2019 1:15 pm

While replacing the screen on a T61, I learned a bit about EDIDs. Apologies if this information is already known, but I was not able to find it anywhere else:

It seems like Lenovo always uses the same sequence of descriptor blocks in their custom EDIDs: The first two are regular detailed timing descriptors, and the third one is the dreaded manufacturer-specific descriptor that must be present for a T6x machine to recognize the screen as a genuine part. This custom descriptor is not completely bogus, however. It does contain useful information, albeit in a proprietary format. This is an example from a LTN141P4-L02:

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90 43 32 90 43 28 0F 01 00 4C A3 50 34
Note that the first six bytes can be split into two (almost identical) groups of three. Of these groups, the first byte seems to indicate the horizontal resolution in the same format used in the standard timing information block, which means: Add 31 to the byte value and multiply by 8. In this case: 0x90 = 144 decimal, which results in (144 + 31) * 8 = 1400. This seems correct, since the LTN141P4-L02 is an SXGA+ screen.

Browsing through the EDID database thread resulted in the following collection:

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16:10
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D1 0A ... --> 1920x1200     0xD1 = 209 --> (209 + 31) * 8 = 1920
B3 0A ... --> 1680x1050     0xB3 = 179 --> (179 + 31) * 8 = 1680
90 0A ... --> 1440x900      0x90 = 144 --> (144 + 31) * 8 = 1400 (Odd one out. The byte should have been a 0x95.)
81 0A ... --> 1280x800      0x81 = 129 --> (129 + 31) * 8 = 1280

4:3
---
A9 43 ... --> 1600x1200     0xA9 = 169 --> (169 + 31) * 8 = 1600
90 43 ... --> 1400x1050     0x90 = 144 --> (144 + 31) * 8 = 1400
61 43 ... --> 1024x768      0x61 = 97  --> (97 + 31) * 8 = 1024
And for good measure, here's the equivalent EDID excerpt from the screen in my T450s:

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16:9
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D1 09 ... --> 1920x1080     0xD1 = 209 --> (209 + 31) * 8 = 1920
This leads to the second observation: The second byte seems to be an indicator for the aspect ratio: 0x43 for 4:3, 0x0a = 10 for 16:10, 0x09 = 9 for 16:9.

Beyond this, I can still only speculate. The third bytes are almost always 0x32 and 0x28, which translate to 50 and 40, respectively. Since the two regular detailed timing descriptors usually indicate a 60 Hz and a 50 Hz timing, I would guess that these bytes might be indicative of the refresh rate. On the screen of the T450s, this value is 0x3B = 59 in both groups.

As for the remaining bytes, I don't really have a clue yet. Some of them seem like a collection of flags. The fifth to last one is always zero. The last four bytes look convoluted (at first I thought it might be a checksum of some kind), but they too seem to follow a pattern, and different screens share parts of these bytes. Here's a collection of some of them:

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09 E5 00 00
0D AF 07 14
0D AF 12 15
30 64 00 55
30 64 90 55
32 0C 00 00
4C A3 50 34
4C A3 55 32
4C A3 57 31
4C A3 57 44
4C A3 58 33
4C A3 58 47
0D AF 51 15
Does anybody have more information on the structure of these blocks? It might make building EDIDs for replacement screens a lot easier ...

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#408 Post by Lister » Wed Feb 12, 2020 5:10 am

Hi friends, please have someone compare display HV150UX1-100 and HV150UX1-102 (sRGB)? Are the colors on the sRGB panel significantly better than the standard panel? Thank you.
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#409 Post by zoltan87 » Thu Apr 16, 2020 9:03 am

Lister wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 5:10 am
Hi friends, please have someone compare display HV150UX1-100 and HV150UX1-102 (sRGB)? Are the colors on the sRGB panel significantly better than the standard panel? Thank you.
Are those panels even alailable anywhere? I remember looking for them everywhere for a while, but there was no sight of them.
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#410 Post by stevenvh » Thu Apr 16, 2020 6:35 pm

I did find a BoeHydus panel for my T60P a few or 5 years ago on ebay, but it turned out to be blemished/2nds. Even with dead pixels it calibrated and worked fine until recently.
The UXGA panel is here: https://lcdpanels.com/hv150ux1-100/
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Thu Apr 16, 2020 9:03 am
Lister wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 5:10 am
Hi friends, please have someone compare display HV150UX1-100 and HV150UX1-102 (sRGB)? Are the colors on the sRGB panel significantly better than the standard panel? Thank you.
Are those panels even alailable anywhere? I remember looking for them everywhere for a while, but there was no sight of them.
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#411 Post by zoltan87 » Fri Apr 17, 2020 2:01 am

stevenvh wrote:
Thu Apr 16, 2020 6:35 pm
I did find a BoeHydus panel for my T60P a few or 5 years ago on ebay, but it turned out to be blemished/2nds. Even with dead pixels it calibrated and worked fine until recently.
The UXGA panel is here: https://lcdpanels.com/hv150ux1-100/
Shpendy though!

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Oh I meant the HV150UX1-102 panels. I have a couple of -100 variant panels too, although I haven't put them to use yet.
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#412 Post by Casualdehid » Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:57 pm

Hi. I'll juyt copypasta my Reddit conversation here, since I'm lazy to rewrite it. Thank you in advance! :bow:

I really want to be happy right now. But I can't. Let me start form the beginning.

My boss brought me a box of fixthisshit, using the bagofcrap. In those boxes, and bags were a but ton R400, T400, mostly R500 and T410 parts. I was able to put together a few T430s, and T410s. None of the T400s, T60s, T61s, nor the T60s. None of them posted, and all of the T60s had the signs of reballing, or chip swapping. This was about a month ago. Today, I cleaned up the ThinkPad mess around me, and i was like well what the hell could I loose, I looked at the one and only T60 I have seen, and I remembered, hey, aren't the 4:3 things are the ones looked after the most? Let's see what do we have here. I quicly dismantled the display housing, and I found an LP150E05-A2K1 (panelook) display. I tried to see if it had any life, using a Samsung notebook, presumeably with a 1280x800 screen/cable. It only gave me a black screen.

What do you think guys, should have it outputed at least a fraction of an image, or nothing at all? I really want to be happy, but I can't..unfortunatelly.

Edit: My boss gave me this panel for free, bc I asked nicely. Than I showed him the ebay listings for this panel :DDD

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#413 Post by RealBlackStuff » Fri Jul 31, 2020 1:32 am

Most likely that Samsung LCD has a different pin-out from your LG LCD.
If you are lucky, your LCD might have survived that Samsung-attack.
But I think that you either blew the LCD, or you blew the (Samsung) backlight fuse, or the LCD was bad to begin with.
You can test that screen on any shape/size T60/R60/T61/R61, probably others as well, IDK.
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#414 Post by Casualdehid » Fri Jul 31, 2020 2:00 pm

RealBlackStuff wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 1:32 am
Most likely that Samsung LCD has a different pin-out from your LG LCD.
If you are lucky, your LCD might have survived that Samsung-attack.
But I think that you either blew the LCD, or you blew the (Samsung) backlight fuse, or the LCD was bad to begin with.
You can test that screen on any shape/size T60/R60/T61/R61, probably others as well, IDK.

Luckily, it works. I tested it with an Acer [censored]. Tho... The backlight is quite weak. My boss would replace my ccfl tube...if I could only find the length needed for it. It looks better on the picture...
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#415 Post by TRS-80 » Tue Jan 26, 2021 10:36 am

HV150UX2-100 I think would be my first choice (I need the brightness, more below). I see a few (several?) of these on eBay, look like mostly (all?) far east sellers. Are these the real deal? Or just total bee ess?

If the latter, what are my options in finding any sort of ~"FlexView" in 2021?

Following the link to panelook for the TDA150-005V01 model a few posts up shows it is currently in production. Anyone aware of any forum posts / experiences with this model? Sounds like it would need some connection adaptation maybe?

Then there are LQ150U1LW22 or LQ150U1LW22N which RBS mention in a linked post further up this page:
RealBlackStuff wrote:
Tue Jun 27, 2017 3:43 am
See this: viewtopic.php?p=779362#p779362
However I believe these are CFFL? If so I worry they may not be bright enough for me. I use these mounted in the front seat of my work truck, which can be quite bright at times (hence preferring the LED backlight).
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#416 Post by TRS-80 » Sun Jan 31, 2021 2:54 pm

According to Panelook, the HV150UX2-100 are discontinued. And my understanding is that this has been the case for many (10?) years now. Therefore how are those sellers there (on that very page) continuing to offer them? And listings can be seen on eBay as well?

One would think that the (currently) ~$200 price (on eBay, anyway) would be enough to make you think they are the real thing. But I have read a number of posts stating otherwise. And now I am not sure what to believe (although I am extremely leery).

If these are just straight up BS, then next approach (other than searching high and low for real ones, which I am also actively pursuing) would be I think to find some suitable replacement that is still being manufactured, even though this might require some hacking. Some hacking was required (RBS's famous cable) after all even for the HV150UX2-100 to get to be usable. I am starting to think that in 2021 this process may need to be done again for some current production panel. Some of model numbers I mentioned one post up would fall into this category.

If someone is interested in investing the time (RBS?) I would be wiling to order you one to hack on. I would myself but I am getting ready to go back to work, and once I do I won't have time for such things. Maybe I need to dig into these options more (although I am even running out of time for that, too).
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#417 Post by ajkula66 » Sun Jan 31, 2021 3:01 pm

TRS-80 wrote:
Sun Jan 31, 2021 2:54 pm
According to Panelook, the HV150UX2-100 are discontinued. And my understanding is that this has been the case for many (10?) years now. Therefore how are those sellers there (on that very page) continuing to offer them? And listings can be seen on eBay as well?
These panels were never meant to be used in laptops, that's a huge part of the answer to your question(s). They were medical-equipment-grade, and from what I can recall even used in aircrafts but never in a laptop by default.

My best guess is that someone somewhere cancelled a major order in the past, and that these are popping up in smaller batches from the parties that got them through a liquidator of some kind a few years back. But that's just a guess.
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#418 Post by TRS-80 » Mon Feb 01, 2021 9:52 pm

Maybe I need to take one for the team, and order one of these "HV150UX2-100" and see if they are legit or not. Or maybe at least, start inquiring pointedly...
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Re: LCDs on T60/T60p - types, availability and other discussions

#419 Post by Kocio » Sun Feb 14, 2021 8:03 am

Hi everyone, I bought my first ThinkPad on Friday. It is the t60 type 2007 with ATI X1400 graphics and 1400x1050 screen. Unfortunately, as it sometimes happens in transport, the screen was damaged. There is a ThinkPad t41p with 1400x1050 resolution in my area and I wonder if the screen replacement would be successful because of Edid.
The t41p has an IDTech IASX16S OR Samsung LTN141P4-L02 screen.
My t60 has BOE-Hydis HT14P12 or Samsung LTN141P4-L02 or TMD-Toshiba LTD141EN9B.
Is it possible that the screens with the t41p will fit the t60. Is it possible to desolder the t60 EDID chip and solder it to the t41p screen?

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Re: LCDs on T60/T60p - types, availability and other discussions

#420 Post by BillMorrow » Sun Feb 14, 2021 2:42 pm

Kocio wrote:
Sun Feb 14, 2021 8:03 am
Hi everyone, I bought my first ThinkPad on Friday. It is the t60 type 2007 with ATI X1400 graphics and 1400x1050 screen. Unfortunately, as it sometimes happens in transport, the screen was damaged. There is a ThinkPad t41p with 1400x1050 resolution in my area and I wonder if the screen replacement would be successful because of Edid.
The t41p has an IDTech IASX16S OR Samsung LTN141P4-L02 screen.
My t60 has BOE-Hydis HT14P12 or Samsung LTN141P4-L02 or TMD-Toshiba LTD141EN9B.
Is it possible that the screens with the t41p will fit the t60. Is it possible to desolder the t60 EDID chip and solder it to the t41p screen?
hello and wel;come to the forum..
oh, gosh, you are getting down into the weeds here, with this one.. :)
i would think NOT, but i never tried to swap screens..
if it WERE me trying this my first thing would be to look at the hardware manuals (HMM, see above) and take a look at the part numbers for each thinkpad OR wait for RBS or AJK to come into this conversation..
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