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okashira wrote:I'm selling (at little profit to me) one of them to Troels, b/c he can't get one himself. The Y3R I had didn't work out. Im keeping the other one.

I'll be in Houston from June 12th through 26th and if you decide to sell one at that time, I might be interested in picking up one locally.

84 units of 2623DDU in stock right now, at 4:25 p.m.

pianowizard wrote:

okashira wrote:I'm selling (at little profit to me) one of them to Troels, b/c he can't get one himself. The Y3R I had didn't work out. Im keeping the other one.

I'll be in Houston from June 12th through 26th and if you decide to sell one at that time, I might be interested in picking up one locally.

84 units of 2623DDU in stock right now, at 4:25 p.m.

Troels already paid me for other one I ordered. I can order another one for you, if you like...? I am dead broke ATM though...

Thank you for checking the stock again for me.

I see the 2623DDU is still available on Lenovo's website. Since I code all day, it seems like this screen would be easier on the eyes vs the widescreen, agree?

Also, just one last check to be sure this machine could be updated to a C2D processor and Vista with all UI effects at a later date?

Thanks

okashira wrote:I can order another one for you, if you like...? I am dead broke ATM though...

Only if you have access to huge discounts like the EPP so that you can help me save big bucks. Do you? Somehow I was assuming that you do.

I live in CA and my order went through. The product shipped today.

1. What is IPS?
2. If I buy this, is there a cheap way to upgrade to vista?

brrmax wrote:I see the 2623DDU is still available on Lenovo's website. Since I code all day, it seems like this screen would be easier on the eyes vs the widescreen, agree?

The UXGA-IPS screen quality is better, but the pixel density is slightly higher, 133.3 DPI for the UXGA and 128.6 DPI for the WSXGA+. So objects appear bigger on the latter and tend to be more comfortable to view. It's hard to predict which of these two factors dominates. If you use one with WXGA, things look even bigger (98.0 DPI) and cause even less eye strainl, but it might not give you enough working area.

swiftrhett wrote:1. What is IPS?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TFT_LCD#IPS

swiftrhett wrote:2. If I buy this, is there a cheap way to upgrade to vista?

2623DDU doesn't have a Vista option, so you'd need to either buy a Vista upgrade disc or full version elsewhere. In other words, no cheap way to upgrade!

It makes me to have mine for sale which I have it for 3 months!

just to have one of the uxga one!!

brrmax wrote:I see the 2623DDU is still available on Lenovo's website. Since I code all day, it seems like this screen would be easier on the eyes vs the widescreen, agree?

It depends on your UI layout. If you have a lot of vertical panels and subwindows flying around, you might find the widescreen aspect ratio more to your liking. Also, the 15" UXGA display is slightly denser (133 ppi) than the 15.4" WSXGA+ (128 ppi).

Also, just one last check to be sure this machine could be updated to a C2D processor and Vista with all UI effects at a later date?

There's nothing preventing you from installing Vista on it yourself, and it definitely has enough horsepower to run all the Aero Glass effects. I'm doing it right now on a T60 with a 1.8 GHz C2D and a Radeon X1300 graphics adapter.

XiP wrote:I was about to pull the trigger on the lenovo outlet T60p because with the EPP discount it comes out to around $XXXX however I noticed it had a Core Duo processor and not a Core 2 Duo.

I just purchased a z61p instead.

Note from Moderator: No EPP price discussions in the forum.

there is not big or significant difference except for 10% of more speed, 64 bit support & 4mb cache on T7200 !!! you should have bought the uxga !

evforme wrote:I live in CA and my order went through. The product shipped today.

Hey evforme
Could you do us a favor and just check and see which LCD screen shipped with yours? If you go to This page http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site. ... yle=lenovo
it should allow you to enter your Type (just 2623 not 2623DDU) and Serial # and look up the parts it shipped with. Alternatively go to lenovo.com click "Support and Downloads" then "Parts Information" then "Parts look up".

You should have gotten a confirmation email with your serial number OR a link to a web page that will give you that info.

I'm curious to know which number it was, either 13N7076 or 13N7194.

If anyone else whose order has already shipped could do the same that would be great!

Thanks for your help in advance.
DenTP4rm

creed_mty wrote:It makes me to have mine for sale which I have it for 3 months!

As soon as I realize that I am not very happy with a laptop, I sell it immediately, e.g. the A31p that I owned for only two weeks, and the X60s that I had for two months. The longer you hold on to it, the longer you have to suffer. And the machine keeps depreciating, so I sell it ASAP to recover as much $$$ as possible. If I were you, I would advertise this 3-month-old machine for sale right away and get the UXGA.

creed_mty wrote:

XiP wrote:I just purchased a z61p instead.

there is not big or significant difference except for 10% of more speed, 64 bit support & 4mb cache on T7200 !!! you should have bought the uxga !

Also, as I pointed out earlier, the Z61p is about 1 pound heavier than the UXGA T60p and would be a nightmare to carry around. But I do find the WUXGA's larger working area very useful. At work, I use a WUXGA screen and a UXGA screen simultaneously and often find the UXGA inadequate. It's unfortunate that the Z61p is so darn heavy.

creed_mty wrote:It makes me to have mine for sale which I have it for 3 months!

That's what I'm doing... I've had my brand new SXGA+ FlexView T60 for a month now, but I just bought two of the UXGA T60p's.

I can't seem to locate the serial # for my machine anywhere except for the Type #. You might have better luck calling a sales rep to get the exact part #. Sorry.

Actually, I got my serial #:

So which screen is that, the 13N7076 or 13N7194?

evforme wrote:Actually, I got my serial #:

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Mfg part #	 FRU part #	      Description
42T0344	    42T0345	         15 INCH LCD DISPLAY FRU

Hey evforme, thanks for the feedback.
Actually, neither one of those part numbers brings up anything on Lenovo and neither one corresponds to the parts list for the T60p at http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site. ... MIGR-62806

The only thing I found was a site that listed this number as an LCD for the R50 / T42 / T43.

I don't want to start raising unwaranted suspicions, but, this may not be the much-coveted BOE-Hydis LCD panel everybody thinks they are getting with the 2623DDU for sale on the outlet.

Can anybody else out there shed any more light on this doubt? Has anyone received one of these 2623DDUs ordered from this sale on the Lenovo outlet? It would be nice if somebody could confirm which screen this is.

Evforme, how soon is yours supposed to arrive?
Just one last question, evforme, are there no numbers in the parts llist that correspond to either of these: 13N7076 or 13N7194 ?

thanks again for your help,
DenTP4rm

what the hell is the 42T0345??
better not be the IDTECH....
Would Lenovo shove an LCD never offered in a t60 in these systems? the DDU is supposed to be the BOE.

okashira wrote:what the hell is the 42T0345??
better not be the IDTECH....
Would Lenovo shove an LCD never offered in a t60 in these systems? the DDU is supposed to be the BOE.

Another site:
http://www.thinkpad-parts.com/42T0345-ThinkPad.html

Lists this as an LCD for the T60(p). But no other information is given. IBMMedic also lists this as a T60(p) screen.

I am bummed. After ordering a DDU, and sending my 60p WS back yesterday, the speculation on the quality of the DDU screen starts.

WONDERFUL!

I just called a friend that works in one of Lenovo's warehouses to get a lookup on that FRU. He wasn't able to do the lookup and the reason is that Lenovo's server in New York is under 3 feet of water! They can't move any Lenovo product today and there is no word on when the server will return to service (it's been down since late last night).

Sounds like this might affect shipping times as well (at least for units coming from inventory rather than production). Ugh.

-darren

Once again, it would be really helpful if somebody who has already received one of these could weigh in and let us know what LCD came on theirs. Or, if anybody has any contact inside to verify this part number. As I mentioned earlier, one site listed this as a R50 / T42 / T43 screen. I would be very cautious about ordering one of these babies until I knew for sure which screen is coming on it. Might not be a bad idea to wait until at least a couple of customers get theirs and can verify through the function that automatically detects the system on the Lenovo site. That's at http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site. ... yle=lenovo

Let's keep investigating this until we find some solid answers. I was planning to order one of these but am going to hold off now until I'm sure what I'm really going to get.
DenTP4rm

I just ordered one and then saw the concerns over the screen. Hope someone chimes in soon.

darrenf wrote:I just called a friend that works in one of Lenovo's warehouses to get a lookup on that FRU. He wasn't able to do the lookup and the reason is that Lenovo's server in New York is under 3 feet of water! They can't move any Lenovo product today and there is no word on when the server will return to service (it's been down since late last night).

Sounds like this might affect shipping times as well (at least for units coming from inventory rather than production). Ugh.

-darren

Server under water? One server at one location can shut down their shipping operation? Is this a 2007 or 1980s company?

Nope, there is no entry for 13N7076 or 13N7194. What's interesting to note is that all the FRUs for the panels are 13Nxxxx and the inverter cards are 42Txxxx. Also, could anyone who happens to own a 2623DDU now verify any of the numbers we've found above?

Lenovo does, like IBM reorganize their stock and changes their FRU part numbers many times in their product cycle.
What i don't see is that this should be the display found in T4xp s. Lenovo's site doesn't list this number, and T4x certainly never carried a FRU part. no starting with 40,41,42. Google turns out nothing but pages listing it as a T60(p) part, albeit very few pages.

Also, on which page does it list as being the screen from a T4xp?
Also, why are people panicking over this?
Do some searches - there's been a few people talking about swapping screens in T60ps and T42p (15"), and when asked, they didn't think one was better than the other.
This is just my take.

EDIT: Fyi 42T0325 is a 15" SXGA+ LG Philips IPS screen offered in the T60...
EDIT2: The 42T0345 no. is only available for order in Europe and Asia, i found out by ordering by FRU number at the different IBM divisions.
It lists as "LCD PANEL" and costs more than the BOE Hydis, but less than the IDTech UXGA from a T43p.
So please, it would be nice if someone knows what it is

Computers are back up.

This is an ID Tech panel. I'm working to get more information.

I never followed the ID Tech vs. BOE Hydis conversation. Can someone fill me in? I've seen the ID Tech SXGA+ and was blown away by the color gamut. The BOE Hydis UXGA also looked very good. Black levels were great on both.

I've seen pics posted here that make the ID Tech UXGA look washed out. Is that the impression of users that have this display?

-darren

darrenf wrote:Computers are back up.

This is an ID Tech panel. I'm working to get more information.

I never followed the ID Tech vs. BOE Hydis conversation. Can someone fill me in? I've seen the ID Tech SXGA+ and was blown away by the color gamut. The BOE Hydis UXGA also looked very good. Black levels were great on both.

I've seen pics posted here that make the ID Tech UXGA look washed out. Is that the impression of users that have this display?

-darren

Ok, thank you very much for confirming with them

It was more of a IDtech vs, LGPhilips conversation/discussion - atleast it seems to have been discussed more.

for what it is worth, i have a SXGA+ and UXGA IDtech, other than they have pressure marks, due to shipping damage on the UXGA (that is another story), i can't distinguish the color reproduction between the SXGA+ and UXGA. Response time is the same, viewing angles are equal.
Someone might have more experience with this... i mean... maybe i was just lucky.

But i think it is EXTREMELY bad practice of Lenovo to list it as a 2623DDU, when the parts used isn't listed on the T60p replacement parts page, nor available elsewhere or has never been used in a T60 series laptop. Alas, i'd like to hear from other buyers if they have got the same LCD with this purchase.

I'm glad to hear you liken the ID Tech SXGA+ to their UXGA. I think the SXGA+ was a beautiful display so I look forward to checking this one out.

I would guess that they change monitors based on suppliers just like they do keyboards. I purchased four T60s recently and they used three different brands of keyboards!

BTW: I wasn't able to get any additional information on the ID Tech model number, just that it is listed as "IDTech 15.0 UX" .

-darren

Troels wrote: Also, on which page does it list as being the screen from a T4xp?

Troels,
The page that listed this as a R50 / T42 / T43 15 LCD is this one: http://store.ibmmedic.com/42t0354.html

I don't think anybody is panicking, but, I agree with you that it is "EXTREMELY bad practice of Lenovo to list it as a 2623DDU" when it doesn't ship with the same parts as the original 2623DDU did. I have one and it definitely has a Boe-Hydis screen. I think some mention should be made of that. If somebody wants an IDtech screen or it doesn't make a difference to them that's fine. But, I think that given all the dissatisfaction over screens that we've been seeing on the forum there is definitely reason for concern.

Thanks for your input and participation in this discussion.
DenTP4rm