T60p w/ IPS UXGA on Lenovo Outlet!

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vinceg84 · #301 Post by **vinceg84** » Tue May 01, 2007 6:43 pm

Just got my T60 from Lenovo Outlet. I love it but I am noticing a whining noise coming from the fan. The fan is pretty quiet but there is this whining noise coming from it whenever it is on. When the fan shuts off the noise goes away so I am almost sure it is coming from the fan. Does anyone else who bought this system know a way to fix this? TP Fan Control doesn't really do anything because the fan is already running at a low speed. It is the high pitched whine that I am talking about.

WPWoodJr · #302 Post by **WPWoodJr** » Tue May 01, 2007 8:16 pm

darrenf wrote:I can't account for the difference and I can't put mine beside a Hydis until next week, but the description you give doesn't seem to fit this screen.

Have you had a chance to compare your IDTech to the Hydis yet?

WPWoodJr · #303 Post by **WPWoodJr** » Tue May 01, 2007 8:23 pm

vinceg84 wrote:Just got my T60 from Lenovo Outlet. I love it but I am noticing a whining noise coming from the fan. The fan is pretty quiet but there is this whining noise coming from it whenever it is on. When the fan shuts off the noise goes away so I am almost sure it is coming from the fan. Does anyone else who bought this system know a way to fix this? TP Fan Control doesn't really do anything because the fan is already running at a low speed. It is the high pitched whine that I am talking about.

My fan whines too. Sucks but you get used to it.

WPWoodJr · #304 Post by **WPWoodJr** » Tue May 01, 2007 8:27 pm

taob wrote:Anyway, I have it side-by-side with my 2623-K8U T60 with the 41W6707 15" SXGA+ FlexView, and there is a difference... I can't say which one is "better" yet

Please can you compare/contrast/discuss the color reproduction capabilities of the IDTech UXGA vs the LG SXGA+? Are the LG colors more rich/saturated? Which is brighter? Which has better viewing angles?

#305 Post by **BillMorrow** » Tue May 01, 2007 8:38 pm

bpetterson has one i recently sent him..
he also has several other UXGA models including an earlier T60p, T43p and others..
he is also an excellent photographer and will give as good a comparison of these displays as you can find anywhere..

okashira · #306 Post by **okashira** » Tue May 01, 2007 9:06 pm

taob wrote:
Troels wrote:Taob,
Search the T4x forums... it's not considered a defect, but it seems to differ a lot on the Idtechs between the exact same type of panels.
I've seen this happen with some other newer panels too, though, these are neither for laptops OR IPS.
I did several searches, but I don't think I'm looking for the right terms. I see many threads about uneven backlighting or dark patches in screen corners, etc. but this isn't what I'm seeing on my display. My problem is definitely related to how the LCD handles a high-contrast transition, and how that results in vertical bands of slightly lighter shade. This definitely does not happen on my SXGA+ FlexView T60.

I suppose I can wait until the other 2623DDU arrives to see if it has the same problem. It's almost like the vertical banding problem you would see on the old dual-scan LCDs, though not quite that bad.

taob, I have two 2623DDU's right here fresh from the outlet and they both do the same thing.

can you PLEASE post a comparison between your t60 sxga+ and the idtech? side by side with the same pic......

okashira · #307 Post by **okashira** » Tue May 01, 2007 9:08 pm

WPWoodJr wrote:
taob wrote:Anyway, I have it side-by-side with my 2623-K8U T60 with the 41W6707 15" SXGA+ FlexView, and there is a difference... I can't say which one is "better" yet
Please can you compare/contrast/discuss the color reproduction capabilities of the IDTech UXGA vs the LG SXGA+? Are the LG colors more rich/saturated? Which is brighter? Which has better viewing angles?

Hoya already posted a comparison between IDTECH UXGA and the LG sxga+... what we need is a comparison involving the BOE UXGA.

okashira · #308 Post by **okashira** » Tue May 01, 2007 9:08 pm

BillMorrow wrote:bpetterson has one i recently sent him..
he also has several other UXGA models including an earlier T60p, T43p and others..
he is also an excellent photographer and will give as good a comparison of these displays as you can find anywhere..

Does he have a BOE Hydis UXGA? should we PM him.. ?

taob · #309 Post by **taob** » Wed May 02, 2007 8:07 am

darrenf wrote:D'oh! You had to show this to me, didn't you?!?!

Sorry, man.

Mine exhibits that behavior too which stinks. I think I'll leave my desktop set to black.

Much of my work takes place in an rxvt terminal window, which from about 15 years of habit, is always light-coloured text on a black background, so no problem.

taob · #310 Post by **taob** » Wed May 02, 2007 8:10 am

WPWoodJr wrote:Can you compare/contrast/discuss the color reproduction capabilities of the IDTech UXGA vs the LG SXGA+?

I can, but I don't have time at the moment to do anything comprehensive. I did notice immediately that the IDTech screen tends to turn blacks into dark purples at extreme viewing angles, whereas the LG.Philips one stays pretty much black (well, grey). I've seen this behaviour on desktop S-IPS displays too, so I wouldn't call it a defect.

sokos · #311 Post by **sokos** » Wed May 02, 2007 12:26 pm

hmm... how can one tell what kind of monitor a T60 has?
I mean you need to open the lid or from the model type?

I ask because my dealer offers some good deals on T60's with 15" 4:3 screen..

bpetterson · #312 Post by **bpetterson** » Wed May 02, 2007 11:17 pm

I have had and used quite a few ThinkPads over the years used
in photo work. and have performed very well.
I must say that I prefer the Flexview models.

The last two have been the T60P with the 14 inch screen
and T7600 processor.
The most recent the T60P with the 15 inch flexview screen
and T2500 processor.

I have never had any problem with the screen on these two or any of the other screens.

Now I do not take a photo of sun beaming thru a window with a
black interior wall.
If you do that, it reminds me of testing the camera for banding.
That being done by taking a photo of a 100 watt bulb with
spot focus and 400 iso or greater. If that shows banding--
then that is the camers fault.

Now lets get back to the sceens or monitors on your laptop.
You should in both cases look at the head on for photo work.
The non flexview screens are critical in this aspect.
Also the ambient lighting.

Now in both cases I calibrate or profile the screens.
The generic profiles that come with your screen are pretty good.
But if you have an .icm for RGB or sRGB use that.

To get better, buy a calibrating tool and do a better job.

Now here is the problem for the calibrating tool.

Your laptop screen has only a brightness contol.
So your calibrating tool has to handle the contrast
as well as the RGB values of color.

Your better 20 inch and up desktop monitors
have brightness, contrast, R,G,B, and temp K
which can help the calibrating tool.

After all what you see you want your print to look like.

I use an Epso 4800 printer which each one is checked prior to shipment for proper rendition of RGB color.
My desk top monitor is a ViewSoinic VP211b which is calibrated
and brightness, contrast, R,G,B tweaked so that what I see
is what the print looks like when viewed in ambient light.
At times I do use Qimage program for printing.

Now any IBM or Lenova laptop that I have calibrated and print from PhotoShop, Nikon Capture, or Nikon NX will print what I see
on the screen and the print will be the same..

Now proir to printing a job, I will select a couple of my known test
phot files to print and check.

Now I am not saying that my method is perfect.
A real good desktop monitor will cost about $ 3000.00
and you still need to calibrate it.

I think that the Laptop screens we see today cost Lenova
in the vicinity of $80.00-- so we are getting a pretty good deal.

So enjoy your laptop and burn it in for a few days.

Birger

Proteus · #313 Post by **Proteus** » Wed May 02, 2007 11:36 pm

just configured the same exact system as the t60p in this thread in the widescreen model. came to $2,076.99.

the only differences being:
c2d 2.0 vs cd 2.0
widescreen WSXGA+ vs FV UXGA

now, I got the outlet deal for alot less then that, and considering the FV screen was like a $200 option... and 32 bit 64 bit? that's funny, because I know you don't even run a 64bit O.S. Rolling Eyes

Actually, I run x64 Vista on all my non mobile systems..and plan to run it on my T61p come July.

Widescreen is great on a plane..lets you actually open the notebook. Core2duo is about 15% faster under Vista, and lets you access a full 4GB RAM.

Employee/stockholder/slickdeals pricing is quite a bit less than the number you quote. Nobody actually PAYS the quoted web price, do they? There is always a deal out there.

But in any case, neither one is a good deal at this point. The T61p will FINALLY have fast 3D graphics..and a high res screen. And thats worth the wait. Thinkpad is one of the very few brands that still knows the value of high performance in a 15" form factor.

okashira · #314 Post by **okashira** » Thu May 03, 2007 12:51 am

bpetterson wrote:Excessive quoting removed.

Birger,

Do you have a t60p with the BOE Hydis UXGA display? How is it?

bpetterson · #315 Post by **bpetterson** » Thu May 03, 2007 7:17 am

ID Tech (according to IBM's inventory description for that part)
on the 2623-DDU

Birger

darrenf · #316 Post by **darrenf** » Fri May 04, 2007 12:38 am

Since we all received WWAN cards with our DDUs I thought this would be an appropriate place to post this:

Despite Microsoft's protestations to the contrary, they have *not* fixed the USB power drain problem. Under this problem, a machine resuming from standby, with a USB 2.0 device attached, cannot enter an important sleep level and therefore burns more power than it needs to. On my DDU I noticed that the machine would burn *at least* 3Watts more after coming out of standby than before entering standby.

The fix for this is to disable all USB 2.0 devices so I unplugged the fingerprint reader -- I'm not positive that it's a USB device but I don't use it anyway. That didn't fix the problem so I looked at the USB controllers and the WWAN card was registering as a USB device (even though it was turned off and even though it plugs into a mPCIe slot).

I'm guessing that the WWAN card has a USB controller and a USB WWAN device on a single card (the PCMCIA WWAN cards I've used do the same thing). Changing the WWAN card to "hidden" in the BIOS fixed the power problem. Now when I come out of standby the machine is back to its frugal self.

Speaking of which, this machine draws less power than my 14" SXGA+ non-flexview T60p and is so bright that I can usually turn the monitor down several clicks further than I ever dared turn down the SXGA+. The power savings, compounded by reducing brightness from full to half, saves me more than 25% power as compared with the SXGA+ and is still easier on my eyes and louder. I'm kicking myself for not making the switch before!!

But I digress. The moral of my story is that if anyone with a DDU is not using the WWAN card, I suggest hiding it in the BIOS.

-darren

WPWoodJr · #317 Post by **WPWoodJr** » Fri May 04, 2007 9:11 am

okashira wrote:Hoya already posted a comparison between IDTECH UXGA and the LG sxga+... what we need is a comparison involving the BOE UXGA.

Where is this comparison please? Are you sure its the same IDTech panel?

WPWoodJr · #318 Post by **WPWoodJr** » Fri May 04, 2007 9:17 am

Darrenf, can you post a comparison of the IDTech to the BOE Hydis which you said you have access to please?

WPWoodJr · #319 Post by **WPWoodJr** » Fri May 04, 2007 9:46 am

taob wrote:
WPWoodJr wrote:Can you compare/contrast/discuss the color reproduction capabilities of the IDTech UXGA vs the LG SXGA+?
I can, but I don't have time at the moment to do anything comprehensive. I did notice immediately that the IDTech screen tends to turn blacks into dark purples at extreme viewing angles, whereas the LG.Philips one stays pretty much black (well, grey). I've seen this behaviour on desktop S-IPS displays too, so I wouldn't call it a defect.

Doesn't need to be anything time-consuming - just put up the "Autumn" XP background on each screen and describe what you see, eg:

Which screen has richer, more saturated color?
Which screen is brighter?
Which screen is "bluer" or alternatively which is more yellow/orange?
Which screen has better viewing angles?
Anything else which stands out?

okashira · #320 Post by **okashira** » Fri May 04, 2007 1:37 pm

WPWoodJr wrote:
taob wrote: I can, but I don't have time at the moment to do anything comprehensive. I did notice immediately that the IDTech screen tends to turn blacks into dark purples at extreme viewing angles, whereas the LG.Philips one stays pretty much black (well, grey). I've seen this behaviour on desktop S-IPS displays too, so I wouldn't call it a defect.
Doesn't need to be anything time-consuming - just put up the "Autumn" XP background on each screen and describe what you see, eg:

Which screen has richer, more saturated color?

Which screen is brighter?

Which screen is "bluer" or alternatively which is more yellow/orange?

Which screen has better viewing angles?

Anything else which stands out?

Even better - post a photograph with the systems side by side.. also comment on Contrast and Response Time. The IDTECH is nice, but the poor contrast makes dark scenes in games & movies a bear to look at.

darrenf · #321 Post by **darrenf** » Fri May 04, 2007 3:32 pm

WPWoodJr wrote:Darrenf, can you post a comparison of the IDTech to the BOE Hydis which you said you have access to please?

I haven't visited my customer with a BOE Hydis screen yet, but when I do I'll post a comparison.

-darren

okashira · #322 Post by **okashira** » Fri May 04, 2007 9:50 pm

darrenf wrote:
WPWoodJr wrote:Darrenf, can you post a comparison of the IDTech to the BOE Hydis which you said you have access to please?
I haven't visited my customer with a BOE Hydis screen yet, but when I do I'll post a comparison.

-darren

Great... looking forward to it

maximus_ · #323 Post by **maximus_** » Mon May 07, 2007 6:17 am

Proteus wrote:
just configured the same exact system as the t60p in this thread in the widescreen model. came to $2,076.99.

the only differences being:
c2d 2.0 vs cd 2.0
widescreen WSXGA+ vs FV UXGA

now, I got the outlet deal for alot less then that, and considering the FV screen was like a $200 option... and 32 bit 64 bit? that's funny, because I know you don't even run a 64bit O.S. Rolling Eyes
Actually, I run x64 Vista on all my non mobile systems..and plan to run it on my T61p come July.

Widescreen is great on a plane..lets you actually open the notebook. Core2duo is about 15% faster under Vista, and lets you access a full 4GB RAM.

Employee/stockholder/slickdeals pricing is quite a bit less than the number you quote. Nobody actually PAYS the quoted web price, do they? There is always a deal out there.

But in any case, neither one is a good deal at this point. The T61p will FINALLY have fast 3D graphics..and a high res screen. And that’s worth the wait. Thinkpad is one of the very few brands that still knows the value of high performance in a 15" form factor.

Finally have fast Graphics and a High res screen? I play games on my T60P and the IPS UXGA blows away anything that Lenovo is going to release this year. If your running 64 Bit Vista I hope your having fun with finding signed drivers as even the 32 bit version has a major deficiency in drivers for many older and some new devices. If you want 64 bit in a IPS T60P just go buy a Core 2 Duo processor and slap it in as I did. Yes you can access the entire 4GB great, I'm running 3GB with no pagefile have multiple apps open, Visio, Auto cad, Outlook, excel, VMWare and I'm at 1.5GB-1.8GB RAM (depending on VMWare sessions that are open) utilization. That is also with prefetcher and superfetch set to optimize Application and boot prefetching. I thought that 1GB would make a difference but I'm not even close the RAM ceiling. To be honest servers that I deploy with around 4GB of RAM are running SQL 2005 with DBs of around 50GB and hundreds of user connections or Exchange 2003 servers with thousands of users, with over 100gb of data in the mail stores and they are still not utilizing all the RAM. Also keep in mind before 64 bit Microsoft email and SQL servers( these both are very RAM dependant) could not truly address more than 4GB of RAM.. These are servers that handled THOUSANDS of users and millions of transactions a day. And they ran just fine. Of course now we can go 64 bit and cache that data in to RAM which makes them lightening fast and removes disk latency but I seriously doubt your LAPTOP at this point really needs that extra 1GB.

I personally was waiting for a T61P but see no advantage with the crap screen it will have, for a 1GB raise in memory, and Santa Rosa. If that ceiling were to be 8GB it would be worth it, but as I see it now it’s a degraded product and Lenovo has killed the Think Pad.

jgrobertson · #324 Post by **jgrobertson** » Thu May 10, 2007 9:22 pm

I ordered the 2623DDU that was on the close out and it is showing scheduled for shipping on 5/15.

I called and was told that they were out of stock and it was discontinued. Anyone know what is going on there. Will they be pulling these back from distributors or some such?

WPWoodJr · #325 Post by **WPWoodJr** » Fri May 11, 2007 10:40 am

jgrobertson wrote:I ordered the 2623DDU that was on the close out and it is showing scheduled for shipping on 5/15.

I called and was told that they were out of stock and it was discontinued. Anyone know what is going on there. Will they be pulling these back from distributors or some such?

Please let us know if you get it despite what they said on the call!

JiggaWatt · #326 Post by **JiggaWatt** » Fri May 11, 2007 10:29 pm

I thought I would add my two cents on the matter because I also have a pending order.

I ordered my 2623-DDU on April 26th, 2007. My estimated delivery was set for May 11th, and then today it was set back until May 25th.

I was a bit annoyed so I emailed Lenovo as well as called a support rep. He said the model had been discontinued, but he did say my order would be fulfilled.

Once I got home later this evening, I received a voice mail from Lenovo saying the model was discontinued and I could not get it. The sales rep. tried to sucker me into buying a wide screen T60 which I do not like or want.

So, to make a long story short, I will wait it out until May 25th and see what the outcome will be. I will make sure to post any updates or changes to this unfortunate situation.

By the way, Lenovo.com is still displaying the 2623-DDU for sale as a clearance model.

jgrobertson · #327 Post by **jgrobertson** » Fri May 11, 2007 10:37 pm

I had a similar call on my voice mail when I got home tonight. Wanted to sell a wide screen with a less powerful video. I don't know about the rest of it. I think he is a commissioned salesman.

My DDU is still showing 5/15 for delivery. I see people are selling these on Ebay for a little more with the statement that they are returns from dealers. My hunch is that Lenovo may be getting them back from distribution or canceled orders from from people who bought a bunch to resell on ebay.

Proteus · #328 Post by **Proteus** » Sat May 12, 2007 7:44 pm

Maximus...lets get real.
Firegl 5200 (x1600) is hardly a high perfomance adapter. The Nvidia 8xx DirectX10 adapter in the T61p will literally have over 2x the 3D performance. And since when is WUXGA a "crap screen"?

x64 Vista works great on desktop systems. Have had ZERO problems finding drivers for my hardware. I run Vista 32 on my old T41P..and that works great as well. Vista prefetch and superfetch work automatically (and don't exist in XP, contrary to popular opinion).

Oh..and those are some fairly small DB and mail servers you're running. And of course your realize that 32GB is pretty standard minimum for a decent size Exchange 2007 (x64 only, natch) config.

Troels · #329 Post by **Troels** » Sun May 13, 2007 10:08 am

Proteus wrote:The Nvidia 8xx DirectX10 adapter in the T61p will literally have over 2x the 3D performance.

Not that i don't believe you, but i think there is not proof of this whatsoever yet.
The 140M certainly is a hair faster than the 5200. But, like i wrote in another thread, being nVidia, it is at the expense of battery life.

WUXGA is not crap. But anything implented on TN technology is crap. People already complain about TN desktop monitors with surreal colors, leakage, and bad viewing angles.
Ironically, surprisingly few complain about TN laptop displays, even though they are far worse than their desktop counterparts.

maximus_ · #330 Post by **maximus_** » Sun May 13, 2007 6:04 pm

Proteus wrote:Maximus...lets get real.
Firegl 5200 (x1600) is hardly a high perfomance adapter. The Nvidia 8xx DirectX10 adapter in the T61p will literally have over 2x the 3D performance. And since when is WUXGA a "crap screen"?

x64 Vista works great on desktop systems. Have had ZERO problems finding drivers for my hardware. I run Vista 32 on my old T41P..and that works great as well. Vista prefetch and superfetch work automatically (and don't exist in XP, contrary to popular opinion).

Oh..and those are some fairly small DB and mail servers you're running. And of course your realize that 32GB is pretty standard minimum for a decent size Exchange 2007 (x64 only, natch) config.

I never said WUXGA sucks personally think its great but why can you not understand that TN SCREENS SUCK compared to IPS period. You can have the best GPU and highest resolution possible but if its displayed through a TN screen what good is it.

I never stated that the x1600 is a great card all I'm saying is its sufficient and does a fine job at most games. 2x 3x the performance I'd realy like to see that but seriously doubt until I see soem benchmarks. Search this site for a link to perfoemance reviews of the new T61 and you see its behind even the T60 in most permance tests. So when you get a link showing a test with a performane increase you are stating send it over.

Those are not my server they are examples

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