T61 + R61 are out!

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seeplus · #61 Post by **seeplus** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:11 pm

It looks to be a Z61t-ish body in size and design (port placement, etc included,) though a quick comparison of tech specs indicates that the 14.1" T61 may be .06" thicker.

Puppy · #62 Post by **Puppy** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:12 pm

HP nc8430 currently looks better than the T61 3000. BTW shouldn't be T61 folded in Lenovo Branded Hardware group ? I would never thought that all these discussions about lack of IPS displays will turn insignificant comparing the new design of T61

iatacs19 · #63 Post by **iatacs19** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 5:47 pm

I don't mind the changes, except why did it get thicker?

If anything it should have gotten slimmer.

Dead1nside · #64 Post by **Dead1nside** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 7:16 pm

iatacs19 wrote:I don't mind the changes, except why did it get thicker?

If anything it should have gotten slimmer.

Sadly, there was just too much ugly that they wanted to fit in such a small chassis.

MCheiron · #65 Post by **MCheiron** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 7:42 pm

Are there any hints about the used display technology or brightness?

Tony Chan · #66 Post by **Tony Chan** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 8:46 pm

iatacs19 wrote:I don't mind the changes, except why did it get thicker?

If anything it should have gotten slimmer.

I would guess it's the addition of LCD roll cage

WPWoodJr · #67 Post by **WPWoodJr** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 9:09 pm

runixd wrote:darrenf, Even though the drive is targeted at server market, it is 2.5 inch, hence fits into a laptop. Seagates recent drive is 160 gb @ 7200 rpm, though both drives are capable of 3 gb/sec transfers.
Neither says anything about encryption, so I think it is safe to assume that what Lenovo really wanted to say is that encryption will be provided by Vistas BitLocker, which optionally makes use of TPM.
Therefore, it doesn't matter which drive you have, encryption will be identical, but faster is better

How well would the 10,000 rpm model work in laptop? I wonder how its power level would be, also shock protection.

runixd · #68 Post by **runixd** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 10:14 pm

Huh,
I almost feel like I can be flamed for saying that, but are you people sure you choosing TP for the right reasons?

Shouldn't you be paying more attention to quality, sturdiness, ergonomics and all the other things that make thinkpad a thinkpad ? "IBM" badge would definitely make you more productive. And if 1 mm thicker makes all the difference then, well, I don't know.

Hopefully you won't buy any, so I wouldn't have to wait for mine for a long time.

jjesusfreak01 · #69 Post by **jjesusfreak01** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 10:40 pm

Notice integrated graphics are now Intel x3100, which is actually fairly nice (they are Aero compliant and DX10).

ThinkTay · #70 Post by **ThinkTay** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 10:53 pm

Just an FYI - it hasnt actually gotten any thicker. It is still 1.1-1.3" thin, which is the same as the T60W. Only 'looks' fatter because it is a smaller chassis overall. Same reason the 17" Macbook looks ridiculously thin, and the old 12" powerbook looks fat (despite being thinner than current thinkpads)

I agree though that the placement of the headphone jacks are infuriating. Worst is if you own a set of speakers you plug in, gets completely in the way.

It actually looks like the z61t just became the t61. Easiest evolution ever. Remove the Z and stick the T in the front, BINGO, T61

iatacs19 · #71 Post by **iatacs19** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 11:09 pm

Compared to the 4:3 T60/T60p it is thicker...

darrenf · #72 Post by **darrenf** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 11:14 pm

The specs say that the thickness is 1.2 to 1.37" as compared with the T60 (14")'s 1" to 1.2". If that's due to a more protective lid (note references to a rollcage for the screen) then it might be worth it.

I do not agree with the prevailing mentality here that says it's ugly. It looks exactly as I had hoped it would and other than the bonehead location of the headphone jack I like it. If I hadn't just purchased a FlexView 15" 4x3, I would start saving up now!

aaaaaakash, I think Lenovo said that there will be no more 4x3 screens. I could be wrong about that but I thought I saw it in the Lenovo Blog. You might be glad that you picked up a T60.

-darren

orca3000 · #73 Post by **orca3000** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 1:06 am

The real thing may very well look different from the photo. This often happens to some iconic car models. When the press photos of a redesigned model is released, the fans cry about how ugly it is. A lot of them change their opinions when they get the chance to see the real car.

ThinkTay · #74 Post by **ThinkTay** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 2:31 am

darrenf wrote:The specs say that the thickness is 1.2 to 1.37" as compared with the T60 (14")'s 1" to 1.2".

Lenovo ThinkPad T61

According to the information listed on the site, the ThinkPad T61 will have the following new features over the current ThinkPad T60:

* New Core 2 Duo (64-bit) processors with up to 2.4 GHz clock speed
* New Intel GM/PM965 chipset
* Choose a new 32- or 64-bit Vista or XP Professional operating system
* Improved wireless LAN (WLAN) and wireless WAN (WWAN) communications
* Faster hard drives available
* Selected models with Intel Turbo Card for improved performance (Robson technology)
* Full hard disk encryption available
* Balance of performance and portability with NVIDIA graphics
* Top cover LCD roll cage
* New four-in-one media card reader on selected models
* Integrated SmartCard reader on selected models
* IEEE 1394a
* Latest NVIDIA discrete graphics offerings
* SmartCard on select models
* Dimensions of 14.1" widescreen system: Width: 335 mm (13.2 in) x Depth: 237 mm (9.3 in) x Height: 27.6 to 31.9 mm (1.09 to 1.26 in)
* Weight for 14.1" widescreen: As light as 5lb

pretty sure you were talking about the R. There is the T

Dead1nside · #75 Post by **Dead1nside** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 3:48 am

jjesusfreak01 wrote:Notice integrated graphics are now Intel x3100, which is actually fairly nice (they are Aero compliant and DX10).

I don't think it's a DirectX 10 part. Either way, I praise Intel for putting in an integrated part that will actually draw 3D fast enough.

Jona · #76 Post by **Jona** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 5:13 am

What surprises me the most is the following (quote from the IBM site):

A four- or six-cell Li-Ion battery pack is shipped with the system.

There is no mention of the nine-cell batterij pack and they introduced a four-cell version. This could be a good thing meaning that the T61 uses much less power compared to a T60. Otherwise it would be unwise to choose the four-cell version which would last 2 hours at most on a T60.

The change from ATI to Nvidia is also remarkable and may have something to do with ATI being bought by AMD. They are going the same way as Dell by offering only integrated graphics or workstation class graphics on a business machine.

Kel Ghu · #77 Post by **Kel Ghu** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 6:22 am

And what's the high-end graphic card of the serie? Because the NVIDIA Quadro NVS 140M is no high-end card.

jjesusfreak01 · #78 Post by **jjesusfreak01** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 6:28 am

Dead1nside wrote:
jjesusfreak01 wrote:Notice integrated graphics are now Intel x3100, which is actually fairly nice (they are Aero compliant and DX10).
I don't think it's a DirectX 10 part. Either way, I praise Intel for putting in an integrated part that will actually draw 3D fast enough.

Actually, the x3000 is, though the 3000 is not. The x3000 has PEUs (programmable execution units), as well as load balancing and all of the other DX10 features. Surprised Intel would beat ATI to the table with a DX10 card?

Im thinking they may be waiting for a real DX10 discrete card to come out before announcing the high end card for the series, be it a Quadro (FX5600, wouldnt that be cool), or whatever their next lineup is.

sokos · #79 Post by **sokos** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 7:17 am

Well whatever might be the case, i don't think an integrated graphics solution is what most serious I.T ppl would want.

I hail the move to Nvidia, I still haven't seen though what GPU the T61p series will be wearing..

My thoughts so far:

+ the webcam
+ the speakers on the side
+ the widescreen
+ the GPU
+ the new chipset and new C2D Cpu's
+ the Robson technology

- looks bit "fattie" , i just hope it will compensate in the stiffest machine ever built.
- mini jacks location
- last, and most terrible of all: the colorful IBM logo... that hurts!

Just another note to our friends that say the new T is same as a Z.
An electronics engineer friend told me, "premium" models usually have much better components (e.g capacitors, transistors etc) and cold soldering on the mainboard. I want to believe that is the case here..
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Dead1nside · #80 Post by **Dead1nside** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:05 am

jjesusfreak01 wrote:Actually, the x3000 is, though the 3000 is not.

Yes, I only remember briefly reading about the new Intel parts. The naming is pretty close, must have got confused there. ATI are in a transitional phase, AMD needs to keep that unit to task much better than they have been able to themselves, previously.

AMD-ATI Fusion is where AMD will have Nvidia beat.

darrenf · #81 Post by **darrenf** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 9:27 am

ThinkTay wrote:pretty sure you were talking about the R. There is the T

You are exactly right. Sorry for confusing them -- that makes more sense.

-darren

jjesusfreak01 · #82 Post by **jjesusfreak01** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 10:18 am

Dead1nside wrote:
AMD-ATI Fusion is where AMD will have Nvidia beat.

Whenever that comes out. For now, we only have hints of the beast that they will be releasing for desktops. Its the largest card ive ever seen.

Dead1nside · #83 Post by **Dead1nside** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 11:09 am

Yes, you're right in saying that Fusion probably won't materialise until at earliest H2 2008.

I do however like what AMD is doing with their new chipsets, integrated when on power saving mode, discrete when not.

I highly doubt however, all considering, that Lenovo Thinkpads will ever switch to AMD.

meditate2001 · #84 Post by **meditate2001** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 1:43 pm

Wasnt the Tx Series always the small ones ? This thing look way to thick....it looses his elegant, noble look.

but besides that, make the audio jacks in front is...

HORRIBLE !!!

how could the even think about that ??? i mean if you are connected there and you type you always have wires there...seriously that is [censored]...

meditate2001 · #85 Post by **meditate2001** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 1:46 pm

oh, and again this megacheap looking audio and power on/off buttons....cheez...they are talking about how important design is today and than this....???

skanky · #86 Post by **skanky** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 12:54 am

meditate2001 wrote:Wasnt the Tx Series always the small ones ? This thing look way to thick....it looses his elegant, noble look.

nope, thats X series you were thinking of maybe?

#87 Post by **GomJabbar** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 5:17 am

skanky wrote:
meditate2001 wrote:Wasnt the Tx Series always the small ones ? This thing look way to thick....it looses his elegant, noble look.
nope, thats X series you were thinking of maybe?

Well, compared to the R or G series (or even the Z6xm), the T series are thin & light and similarly featured. Of course the X series is smaller yet, but they are single-spindle machines. So I think a case can be made that the T-series are the small ones of the 2 or 3 spindle machines, although the use of the descriptive word "thin" would be more accurate than the use of the word "small".

Puppy · #88 Post by **Puppy** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 5:34 am

There is still noticeable difference in size (especially height) between 14" and 15" T models.

According the specs, T60 15" height is 31 to 36 mm while 15" R60 is 31 to 40 mm. But T60 14" height is 27 to 31 mm.

MCheiron · #89 Post by **MCheiron** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 2:50 pm

Does anybody know, if the Blue-ray option will be available for the R61 AND T61? I remember that it was difficult to get a DVD burner for the T40p, they were only available for the R40.

#90 Post by **ryengineer** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 3:09 pm

MCheiron wrote:Does anybody know, if the Blue-ray option will be available for the R61 AND T61? I remember that it was difficult to get a DVD burner for the T40p, they were only available for the R40.

Something tells me you missed reading this in the article.

Models with Blu-ray DVD burner will be available July 2007.

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