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T60's Most Common Defect?

#1 Post by wswartzendruber » Sat May 26, 2007 6:54 am

What is the T60's most common defect? How can it be prevented?
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#2 Post by TPA » Sat May 26, 2007 9:15 am

sorry, no defects here.
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#3 Post by pianowizard » Sat May 26, 2007 9:19 am

Nothing to worry about. The 14.1" 4:3 T60 is one of the best Thinkpads ever made, and quite possibly THE BEST T-series. If you order one from Lenovo.com and it has issues, it's just a dud and Lenovo will replace it for free.

On the other hand, some people aren't happy with the 15.4" T60 with the Samsung screen.
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#4 Post by turnerpr » Sat May 26, 2007 10:00 am

Can't think of one re: my new T60 (15" with flexview). Downloading and installing all the Thinkvantage software and driver updates (400 mg worth!) for a brand new custom machine was a huge hassle, but hardly a defect. Of course, I can always dream of improvements.... :D
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#5 Post by nxman » Sat May 26, 2007 10:48 am

the 15 inch Thinkpads have a palmrest flex

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#6 Post by Kyocera » Sat May 26, 2007 11:28 am

For me it was the intel 3945ABG, didn't work well for me, now it's in the drawer and thanks to tselling I have an atheros, which is working much better. :)

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#7 Post by gator » Sat May 26, 2007 11:35 am

I had to get my palmrest replaced once and the keyboard bezel replaced once to get rid of some flex on the left side of the palmrest and the creaking above the ultrabay.

Oh yeah, the intel 3945 wireless card is crap. I replaced it with atheros one and now, my machine is PERFECT.
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#8 Post by NS » Sat May 26, 2007 11:47 am

I can't find any defects on my T60. :-(

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#9 Post by turnerpr » Sat May 26, 2007 12:15 pm

I lucked out with my T60 15" -- no flex in the palmrest (stays cool too) and the atheros card works flawlessly. But I now recall one small issue. Initially I had both the touchpad and trackpoint enabled, thinking to use each for different tasks. Several times while web browsing both would freeze for 30-60 seconds -- very annoying. Not sure if it was a software bug although I downloaded the latest drivers and optimized both using the utility software. Anyway, the trackpoint proved much more convenient and I disabled the touchpad. End of problem.
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#10 Post by ryengineer » Sat May 26, 2007 3:04 pm

There is no defect(s) with T60, in most cases "Microsoft products" are to blame, if problem arises, than lenovo. Lenovo try it's best to Engineer one of the most demanding machines in the business, although if 1 or 2 problems occur here or there, they'll be more than happy to replace it for you.
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#11 Post by kimx » Sat May 26, 2007 3:12 pm

No defects on my machine,
it's funny how a lot of people have been having problems with the intel 3945ABG, I've had no problems what so ever.
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no defects.....

#12 Post by iannis » Sat May 26, 2007 3:19 pm

but only a noisy harddrive, spin is not too bad, head seek noise is!!!
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#13 Post by Torque » Sat May 26, 2007 3:24 pm

No defects.

The right palmrest is too hot for comfort sometimes though.
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#14 Post by gator » Sat May 26, 2007 3:49 pm

Torque wrote:The right palmrest is too hot for comfort sometimes though.
hmm ... I haven't noticed this on my 15" ... runs really cool.
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Re: T60's Most Common Defect?

#15 Post by hdahl » Sat May 26, 2007 4:18 pm

wswartzendruber wrote:What is the T60's most common defect? How can it be prevented?
Concerning my T60p the main issue is that the small screws at the bottom seem to fall out arbitrarily.


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#16 Post by jns2001 » Sat May 26, 2007 4:53 pm

The fingerprinter reader is slow and not necessarily reads all the time. :(

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#17 Post by CrunchDude » Sat May 26, 2007 5:00 pm

Mine is the HEAT! Otherwise awesome as usual for Thinkpads but the heat issue is not fun. Luckily, that happens only when I watch movies on it.
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#18 Post by Ivan Ivankovic » Sun May 27, 2007 12:49 am

gator wrote:I had to get my palmrest replaced once and the keyboard bezel replaced once to get rid of some flex on the left side of the palmrest and the creaking above the ultrabay.
I got the same problem on the right side. :(
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#19 Post by fahim » Sun May 27, 2007 1:12 am

And on many models the fan will not turn. (Only with special software).

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#20 Post by gunston » Sun May 27, 2007 4:29 am

heat problem
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#21 Post by kulivontot » Mon May 28, 2007 1:46 am

Biggest problem by far is overheating (mostly of the GPU). I don't know how I did it, but I burned out my GPU and had to have the mainboard replaced. In addition, the intel 3945ABG card is really spotty. My connections will randomly drop, switch to local access only, and then only allow me to reconnect if I manually disable then re-enable the card in vista. Other than that, this thing works like a champ.

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#22 Post by yqwen » Mon May 28, 2007 3:42 pm

question: how can I find out the make of the screen? thanks!

pianowizard wrote:Nothing to worry about. The 14.1" 4:3 T60 is one of the best Thinkpads ever made, and quite possibly THE BEST T-series. If you order one from Lenovo.com and it has issues, it's just a dud and Lenovo will replace it for free.

On the other hand, some people aren't happy with the 15.4" T60 with the Samsung screen.

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#23 Post by pianowizard » Mon May 28, 2007 3:48 pm

yqwen wrote:question: how can I find out the make of the screen? thanks!
You look up the laptop's serial number on this site, find the part number for the LCD, and then search for that part number on Google or Lenovo.com.
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#24 Post by taob » Mon May 28, 2007 11:56 pm

If there are any glaring defects with my T60p, I can't see them because of the sheer awesomeness of the 1.92 million pixels of FlexView goodness on the display. :lol:
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#25 Post by rmendoza » Tue May 29, 2007 12:01 am

I had actually thought about writing a post about this before.

For me it is the AC adpater. This is the only part where Dell has a much better design. The Lenovo one is a pain in the neck to roll, and store in your bag. The Dell has a curved shape on either end, so that the cable fits in them perfectly, sort of like the plastic pieces used to store rope, and it ends up nice and neat, without taking extra space. Here is a pic, and although it is not rolled up on the grooves, you can see them. In contrast, the Lenovo one is just square (well, rectangular), without any place to keep the cable in place.
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#26 Post by jns2001 » Tue May 29, 2007 6:00 am

I have both a Dell and a Lenovo, although the Dell has the grooves, it is bigger than the Lenovo, I would stick with the Lenovo.

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#27 Post by mullstu » Tue May 29, 2007 8:35 am

Let's see, wireless card sucks. Power management issues, it shuts off when putting it into the docking station (which IBM finially acknowleged was an issue and sent my little rubber ends to cover the metal prongs that caused the issue), Intel Core 2 DUO processor has a code issue (although it may have been resolved with the latest BIOS), it sometimes hangs when coming out of standby, and I am sure a few more things will come up sooner or later.

We have about 100 here onsie and see a variety of issues that just pop up out of no where. IBM said it is because of the Intel code issue.

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#28 Post by DenTP4rm » Tue May 29, 2007 1:43 pm

mullstu wrote:... it shuts off when putting it into the docking station (which IBM finially acknowleged was an issue and sent my little rubber ends to cover the metal prongs that caused the issue) ...
Hey mullstu
Your comment about the "little rubber ends" to resolve the problem with the docking station caught my attention. Can you elaborate on that? I realize it's kind of off topic so, if you want to PM me feel free. But, there might be some other folks interested.
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#29 Post by mullstu » Tue May 29, 2007 1:52 pm

Sure. The T60 has an ESD issue that causes the laptop to shut off if you try to hot dock it on the standard and advanced docking stations.

There are 4 small metal prongs that stick out of the top of the docking stations, when the outer 2 come in contact with the bottom of the laptop, it just shuts off. We were able to reproduce the issue with all of our T60 laptops.

IBM didn't really care when we initially reported it to them and said not to hock dock the laptops. I guess when more and more people began complaining they finially looked into it. There is a few other posts about it on this site. I know I started one when first looking into the issue.

After months of yelling at them, IBM finally came up with a solution. They are distributing these small ESD boots with their docking stations and to anyone who complains to them about the issue. The ESD boots are small rubber caps that go over the outer metal prongs of the docking station. They prvent them from hitting the bottom of the laptop when you hot dock it and stops it from shutting off.

It is a horrible solution because if one falls off you can still have the issue. If you need them you can call IBM and have them send you some.

Here is a link to the site explaining the problem and giving you a way to order the parts:

http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site. ... MIGR-67382

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#30 Post by gator » Tue May 29, 2007 2:10 pm

I have a mini dock at work, and it does NOT have this problem. This was an issue in only early T60s, and I think Lenovo solved this issue.
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