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Does anybody know if there's gonna be a t61p in the 14.1 non-widescreen size? That sounds pretty ideal. Any idea if it's gonna happen, and what the timing might look like?

Yes, there will be. They should be out sometime in mid-June.

any idea who the screen supplier will be? hoping for a better screen than the t60p 14.1 inchers... 300 nits - bring it on!

I found only one old thread about the 14.1" 4:3 T61, and it doesn't have much info about specs. Is it heavier than the 14.1" WS T61? Does the 6-cell battery stick out? Any possibility of a 14.1" UXGA screen? (Dell had several Latitudes with that kind of screen.)

sb37 wrote:any idea who the screen supplier will be? hoping for a better screen than the t60p 14.1 inchers... 300 nits - bring it on!

I doubt it, I'd except it even worse since most of lcd panels vendors ar einfected by the widescreen epidemy.

The last Lenovo sales rep told me over the phone that there would definitely not be a standard sized T61 or T61p released. Of course I hope he's wrong, but even if it is available for order in mid June that probably means no one will actually receive theirs until September. Not sure if I could wait that long, already been waiting since late April for this Santa Rosa launch. Definitely don't want a widescreen T61 though, would rather go with T60p 14.1" non-widescreen.

Puppy wrote:I doubt it, I'd except it even worse since most of lcd panels vendors ar einfected by the widescreen epidemy.

The two most predictable forum members: Puppy is always bashing TN screens, whereas I am always talking/asking about weight and resolution!

Snap wrote:The last Lenovo sales rep told me over the phone that there would definitely not be a standard sized T61 or T61p released.

How about this SXGA+ T61?

pianowizard wrote:How about this SXGA+ T61?

Yes, I've seen that listing. I'm also aware of this 14.1" non-widescreen model overview: http://s172.photobucket.com/albums/w21/ ... rent=1.jpg

I was just quoting the Lenovo rep that I spoke to last week. Would be nice if the standard 4:3 is not phased out just yet, maybe they will give us one last non-widescreen release with the T61. Still a toss up since nothing official has been announced. Doesn't help that the sales rep says that Lenovo will never release a T61 in standard size.

I'm seriously contemplating ordering a T60p SXGA+ 14.1" since I would only have to wait until sometime in July. Otherwise it's September or beyond for a T61p in standard size (if it's ever available for order that is).

i thought it was pretty certain that a t61 would exist in 14.1. Hopefully they'll bring it over to the t61p as well. I'm thinking of switching from my current 15" t60p back to a smaller form factor, as I find the 15" too big, and would rather work on a 19" monitor when I'm docked anyway. Tried out a 14.1" non-lenovo widescreen at the store yesterday, as well as a 15.4" widescreen, and they both feel....wrong. especially since i spend most of my time either in word or zend php environment, and like my vertical space.

I am also eagerly awaiting the announcement of a non wide 14.1" T61p.

I'm going to buy one of those or try desperately to get a T60p 14.1" from a warehouse in australia, if they still have stock. From what I've heard, T61 is a huge disappointment :@

Need more reviews! Every day I fall further in love with my T43, so I may have to try and find the T43p around... but it's so hard down here.

are these going to be announced on monday along with the rest of the t61ps, or are we standard ratio holdouts gonna have to keep waiting?

sb37 wrote:are these going to be announced on monday along with the rest of the t61ps, or are we standard ratio holdouts gonna have to keep waiting?

Dude! You have, "T60P 2613CTO - 15" SXGA+ FlexView - T7600 2.33 Ghz Core 2 Duo - 3GB RAM - FireGL 5250 256MB."

What kind of upgrade r u expecting? A jump of .07 MHz in CPU, +1 GB of RAM support with new chip set, downgrade from FlexView, Turbo Memory which is actually going to slow u down, +133 MHz bus speed, and a cage for when you roll your laptop. You should probably wait for T62p or quad core CPU with 1066 MHz bus. This T61 isn't much of upgrade for u.

I think what you have is tops enuf. Going to T61p is not an economical upgrade IMHO.

it's not an upgrade, it's a replacement. looking for smaller screen size.

There will be some 14" 4:3 T61 models, but don't expect them to have such a high luminance like 300 nits. So far I never saw any T-series model with a higher luminance than say ~190 nits at all, and that one I saw was just a plain 15" model with an XGA panel.

Most Thinkpads aren't this much luminant and of course those in the Tabooks etc. always advertized luminance values are always far away from real measured luminance values. So these are thus more theoretical max values from the panel manufactors, but in reality most notebook panels are dimmed and don't give/consume this much power to the backlights in favor of better battery runtimes.

The highest ever measured luminance of a Thinkpad was the one of the Z60m with an MaxBright TFT-panel,which reached ~250-260 nits instead of the advertized 300 nits.

How do you measure the luminance value? I got a T60 recently, and the screen seems significantly brighter than anything I've had previously. It looks just like a Z61t when placed side-by-side, but according to tabook, the Z61t is 200 nits, while the T60 is 150 nits.

Puppy wrote:I doubt it, I'd except it even worse since most of lcd panels vendors ar einfected by the widescreen epidemy.

pianowizard wrote:The two most predictable forum members: Puppy is always bashing TN screens, whereas I am always talking/asking about weight and resolution!

just a general statement on the debate...

The 16:10 widescreen is almost a perfect rectangle. This means it is closely related to a system of proportions based on the golden ratio (1.618...) which has throughout history been documented in art and architecture. Some examples that are almost identical to or exactly identical are the Parthenon, some Egyptian pyramids, and some paintings of Da Vinci as well as theories by Pythagoras, just to name a few. Another ratio which is nearly nearly identical, named the Fibonacci series is found in nature; the way branches in trees grow, the "leaves" of a pinecone, and the spiral of the nautilus shell.

Blah blah, I can go on remembering stuff from my 1st year architecture studio(if I recall it all correctly)... But basically, the way I see it, 16:10 widescreen is for now as close as it gets to having a perfectly aesthetic screen. So what if it "always should have been" widescreen and 4:3 was in turn the epidemic that flooded the market when TV's came out and then flowed over into computers? To each his own... but if you want an artistic or mathematical answer, there you go...

@FRiC

The easiest and maybe cheapest way to measure the luminance of a display is, to use some capable device like a very good colorimeter from a management device. For example the "Eye-One Photo" from Gretag-Macbeth is able to do so.

See: Eye-One Photo

You would use it in a manner like described here below (see the link) in german (click on the images to enlarge), by at least measuring 9 parts/segments of the display under usual lighting conditions and taking the average cd/m² value...

http://www.notebookcheck.com/Wie-wir-te ... tml#c45061

...of course there are also other more expensive light measuring devices available, for example some from photo equipment companies like Gossen etc.