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Did you compare weights on T61 wide screen Vs a T61 4:3 ?

well that is your own opinion that 4:3 is "comfort".

i didnt say 1440x900 is superior , i just said i see benefits in a wide screen as well. it's not black or white.

and at least for me , it doesnt make sense to buy a computer by the case size i own. you "usually" buy a case for the computer and not a computer for the case

danny_isr wrote:Did you compare weights on T61 wide screen Vs a T61 4:3 ?

Various people published detailed measures both here and on other forums. Not comparing them with T61 standard, but with T6x and T4x. Not that there should be much difference, but the point is that with its smaller screen area T61 14.1" WS should be smaller.

danny_isr wrote:well that is your own opinion that 4:3 is "comfort".

No. It is a fact that to me, for the things which I do, superior vertical resolution is better. Combined with portability and dimensions, that makes 4:3 superior and more comfortable in my case.
This does not mean that my situation and my comfort apply to you or anyone else, just like the fact that someone is judging whether a new computer would be too bulky for him based on the case he is comfortable with doesn’t mean you have to do it too. You might consider it, though. I know I took it into consideration when thinking about T61 and going to 15.4” WS.

danny_isr wrote:i didnt say 1440x900 is superior , i just said i see benefits in a wide screen as well. it's not black or white.

Riiight. You only said that you get more real estate with WS, that you can't understand the issue and suggested that some people don't like changes, insinuating it's their fault that they cannot see the light. Fair enough, I apologise for drawing conclusions.

danny_isr wrote:and at least for me , it doesnt make sense to buy a computer by the case size i own. you "usually" buy a case for the computer and not a computer for the case

That's perfectly fine, if you are not too picky about portability. Personally, I can't see myself even considering a 17" notebook, unless the manufacturers manage to reduce current weight and height in half, and even then I might find it too big. 15" or 15.4" is barely acceptable, although I’m tempted. Considering what is currently offered, I wish Sony was offering better resolution on their 13.3" SZ series...

danny_isr wrote:...and at least for me , it doesnt make sense to buy a computer by the case size i own. you "usually" buy a case for the computer and not a computer for the case

I think that maybe my original comment on the size of the widescreen and the computer case we may already own was taken a bit too literally. My T60p WS does fit in my old Port case, but just barely-but to me I don't carry it in a case enough to really justify buying a new one. It's more of the principle that we want to remain portable, but this trend towards widescreen laptops basically means larger cases that take up more space to carry a heavier laptop-kinda backwards isn't it?

My laptop use is around the house as my primary computer. I use it in my lap while watching TV, I will pick it up and set it on the armrest of the couch when I get out of the chair, I will sometimes take it to bed with me and browse the web before I go to sleep, etc. Just basic ordinary use around the house. When I first got my T60p, I soon found myself using my trusty old T40 most of the time because it was just so much easier to move around and use. Do I like the screen real estate and the increased resolution it offers? Yes, I do very much-but to 'me' personally it's not worth the tradeoff in the extra weight and ease of moving it around. I think you will find there are many others out there that feel the same way. And since we are talking about weight-I just put my T60p with 9 cell battery (which is the way it came from Lenovo) on a digital scale here at work-it came out to 6lbs. 4oz. Heavier than a standard 4:3 screen T60/61? I bet you money it is.

One more thing to consider with these widescreen models-the extra width and associated plastic makes the units less solid overall than their 4:3 counterparts. This is obviously evident in comparing my T60p WS to a friends T60 4:3, or even my previous T40. The chassis creaks in places, the plastic has some flex here and there-it just doesn't feel as solid and strong as the 4:3 models. Now, it probably IS as strong-but feedback thru your hands means a lot-and my hands are telling me it doesn't feel as solid.

All I want is for Lenovo to continue to give it's users a choice as far as what type of screen they can get. Moving to an all widescreen format will be a mistake to a lot of us long time, die hard Thinkpad fans.

again , i just said that i think people have tendency not to do or like changes.
i never said they didn't see the "light".
if you don't like my opinion well ....what you want me to say ?

i do like smaller laptops and i'm actually even considering going with the X61. And i doubt i will ever get a 17".

i just dont think it's a big issue with the "bulky" WS T61. it's probably very minor difference and gives other benefits.

but hey this is going to the "flame" mode . and i have no interest to be part of that. So have a good day.

about
"... this is going to the flame mode ... "

IMHO that's because you can see things quite relaxed as you are getting
what you prefer (Wide Screen I guess)
but for the ones who want to continue with 4:3 for their own good reasons
are confronted with a diminishing market and neglect by the manufacturer!

If there would be sufficient supply and customer care for both form factors of
LCD screens, everyone could be happy...

small correction. i don't prefer WS.
it's more like "i don't mind it" . as you can see in my signature i have a T43. if the T61 will be only 4:3 i would get it .

if the reasons behind moving to WS are only their benefits well that doesnt make me happier .

Will the non-WS T61 have a built-in webcam? Although an SXGA+ screen is the most important buying factor for me, a webcam is always a nice addition (if possible).

baovu wrote:Will the non-WS T61 have a built-in webcam? Although an SXGA+ screen is the most important buying factor for me, a webcam is always a nice addition (if possible).

Nope it won't. Only T61 14.1 WS model will come with an integrated camera. (according to what I know). This does not include T61p, I have no information on it, yet.

ryengineer wrote:

baovu wrote:Will the non-WS T61 have a built-in webcam? Although an SXGA+ screen is the most important buying factor for me, a webcam is always a nice addition (if possible).

Nope it won't. Only T61 14.1 WS model will come with an integrated camera. (according to what I know). This does not include T61p, I have no information on it, yet.

you guys talk like a non-WS T61 is coming out for sure. I wonder how many people are waiting for a non-WS T61 like i am. Come on Lenovo!!!

I'm waiting. I'd like a 15.1 or 15.4 inch 4:3 format screen. Widescreen is for TVs.

-Dane

All the non-ws T61's listed in the latest tabook are 14.1" XGA models with the Intel GMA graphics adapter.

Tabook wrote:Display: 14.1" (358.1mm) XGA (1024x768) color, 150 nits, 4:3 aspect ratio,
200:1 contrast ratio, anti-glare

Camera: None

Graphics: Intel Graphics Media Accelerator X3100 (GMA X3100), integrated in GM965,
D VI pass-through support to optional Advanced Mini Dock or Advanced Dock

GomJabbar wrote:All the non-ws T61's listed in the latest tabook are 14.1" XGA models with the Intel GMA graphics adapter.

Tabook wrote:Display: 14.1" (358.1mm) XGA (1024x768) color, 150 nits, 4:3 aspect ratio,
200:1 contrast ratio, anti-glare

Camera: None

Graphics: Intel Graphics Media Accelerator X3100 (GMA X3100), integrated in GM965,
D VI pass-through support to optional Advanced Mini Dock or Advanced Dock

Which tabook version are you referring to? I can only find "May 2007 - Version 322" and it doesn't mention any T61 models with XGA display anywhere.

palta wrote:Which tabook version are you referring to? I can only find "May 2007 - Version 322" and it doesn't mention any T61 models with XGA display anywhere.

ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/pc/pcinstitu ... tabook.pdf

This is June 2007 - Version 324.

tomh009 wrote:

palta wrote:Which tabook version are you referring to? I can only find "May 2007 - Version 322" and it doesn't mention any T61 models with XGA display anywhere.

ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/pc/pcinstitu ... tabook.pdf

This is June 2007 - Version 324.

Thank you for the link. Version 324 doesn't mention any T61 14.1 XGA models either, only T61 14.1 WXGA and 15.4 WXGA...

palta wrote: Thank you for the link. Version 324 doesn't mention any T61 14.1 XGA models either, only T61 14.1 WXGA and 15.4 WXGA...

I cannot remember about the previous one, but this one does list several XGA T61's. Page 59 of PDF, e.g.

That's right -- pages 59 through 61 list the T61 XGA models.

palta wrote:Thank you for the link. Version 324 doesn't mention any T61 14.1 XGA models either, only T61 14.1 WXGA and 15.4 WXGA...

You probably made the same mistake I did the first time I looked at this version of the tabook. They separate the group of T61 4:3 models from the group of T61 ws models with some T60 models in between.

it looks like those models will not be available for direct order. only schools, governments, and large corporations will be offered 4:3 t61s. i just created a new post about it.

-bA

I was about to go to the 'checkout' page on the Lenovo Canada site, and thought i'd check here first. Now I'm a bit concerned about what I'm getting in terms of the screen. The T61 I was about to buy is the 64634XU (T7300, 2000 MHz, 1GB, 15.4 WXGA TFT) for CDN$1,699. i currently have a T42P 2373KXU (specs say 15" UXGA).

I have to admit to not understanding all the different terms - S/W/U/XGA. I don't know which of these (or the two models) is Flexview if any, so i'm concerned that the display on the T61 is going to be worse than currently. How can I tell? I tried looking at other T61 models, but there are none on the Canada site - just this special for Canada Day.

Can anyone tell me if i'm going to be disappointed with this purchase?

From a screen perspective you will be very dissappointed compared to what you have now, no doubt.
Seen from the performance side of things the T61 is snappier and has a roll cage for the motherboard and LCD, so in that regard it's a good upgrade.

The WXGA is 1280x800.
What you have now is 1600x1200.

With the widescreens you may risk getting something that looks bad or less bad in comparison to the flexview, depending on the manufacturer.