Intels core duos: 1st and 2nd generation differences

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Intels core duos: 1st and 2nd generation differences

#1 Post by caffemusse » Thu Jun 28, 2007 4:50 am

It's so good to be browsing the Tx series threads again, and yes this means I just ordered a t60 2007fug. I decided that waiting to santa-rosa was not worth it, besides the pricing of t61 machines here in Denmark are too high and I really don't need the new stuff in these guys? (sneak q: is the t60 as quiet as the t61 in regards to fan noise?)

So having settled for the above mentioned, I carlessly question what the capabilities of my processor is. It's a T5600 in my T60. And it's a C2D, but many of them are. :shock:

I am aware that the 'only' 2mb cache in my processor will limit some stuf (ie vista) but what else makes this proc. different from the T7100, T7300 and the T5500.

Have I overlooked a thread discussing these differences in processor specs? just direct men then ;)

Finally, is it possible to upgrade my processor to a faster more capable one in the future, and if yes...what's the limit?
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#2 Post by FRiC » Thu Jun 28, 2007 8:30 pm

Santa Rosa is more a chipset difference, there's little difference in the CPU itself, but the newer CPU's have a different socket format, so you can't upgrade current Core Duo's and Core 2 Duo's to the newer Core 2 Duo's.

Not all new Core 2 Duo have a 4 MB cache despite all having the T7xxx designation.
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#3 Post by Redmumba » Thu Jun 28, 2007 8:40 pm

Santa Rosa IS a chipset difference; however, Core 2 Duo does not require Santa Rosa, or vice versa.

Basically, Core Duo was just the older sibling--as such, Core 2 Duo features the same power consumption with a (estimated) 20% performance increase. The Core 2 Duo also features 64-bit compatibility.
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#4 Post by caffemusse » Fri Jun 29, 2007 1:35 am

Thx gents...but let me get this straight (er)....

Then the machine I just purchased the 2007-fug which features a C2D processor, will enable the newer processor specs too? or what? :shock:
Can someone look this model up for me at give me a hint as to which processors whould not fit and those which will (besides obvious socket differences)

To be frank...what is the primary difference I would witness from using a non SR chipset, ie t60 vs. t61?

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-T61 7659-ba7
-T60! 2007-fug:
-Lenovo V100 12'
-T42-2373 (XGA) +1gb and 7k100, running real smooth
-T43 sxga+
old...:
TP 2374-EG8 (T40p), 7k100, 1,5gig ram
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#5 Post by Redmumba » Fri Jun 29, 2007 1:46 am

Features of Santa Rosa:
  • * Can dynamically change the FSB to save power
    * Turbo Memory feature
    * Better Vista Aero Support
    * Support for faster RAM
Really, you're not missing much if you don't have it. Obviously, if you had the choice, SR would be the key... but if you don't, then don't fret. :)
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#6 Post by caffemusse » Fri Jun 29, 2007 1:51 am

I am now fretless.

Also since your sig implies that you own one of these monsters under the tag of SR.
Buying one in Denmark retails @ roughly 2500 USD! yeah... wow!
T60 is happily on it's way to me, about a grand cheaper.
:D
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-T60! 2007-fug:
-Lenovo V100 12'
-T42-2373 (XGA) +1gb and 7k100, running real smooth
-T43 sxga+
old...:
TP 2374-EG8 (T40p), 7k100, 1,5gig ram
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#7 Post by Redmumba » Fri Jun 29, 2007 2:07 am

Congrats on your purchase, then!

Yeah, I wouldn't not buy a T60 because it didn't feature the Santa Rosa platform, nor would I buy a T61 just because it has it. Its a nice addition, but its not at all necessary! :) Enjoy your T60, my roommate has one, and its pretty darn awesome!
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#8 Post by caffemusse » Sun Jul 01, 2007 8:47 am

...and there is always room for improvement ;)

learned alot from further browsing (almost abusive search).

However, does someone know where to find and exact processor spec (CD & C2D) comaprision with concrete model no.s and processor history. Intels comparission sheet is very vague....or is it jus me ;)
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-T61 7659-ba7
-T60! 2007-fug:
-Lenovo V100 12'
-T42-2373 (XGA) +1gb and 7k100, running real smooth
-T43 sxga+
old...:
TP 2374-EG8 (T40p), 7k100, 1,5gig ram
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#9 Post by Pascal_TTH » Sun Jul 01, 2007 2:58 pm

Redmumba wrote:Congrats on your purchase, then!

Yeah, I wouldn't not buy a T60 because it didn't feature the Santa Rosa platform, nor would I buy a T61 just because it has it. Its a nice addition, but its not at all necessary! :) Enjoy your T60, my roommate has one, and its pretty darn awesome!
I don't really care about CPU power. Core Duo or Core 2 Duo brings enough performances for my usage. When I buy a new laptop, I target the more powerfull GPU with the smallest CPU. This allow to keep it a few years with decent performances in games and 3D rendering.
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T61p : Core 2 Duo T9300, Quadro FX 570m, 2GB CL4, 320GB, WUXGA
T60p : Core 2 Duo T7200, FireGL V5200, 2GB, 160GB, 14.1 SXGA+
T61 : Core 2 Duo T7300, Quadro NVS 140m, 2GB, 160GB, WXGA+

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