Anyone with a T61 w/ a 14.1 SXGA+

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Anyone with a T61 w/ a 14.1 SXGA+

#1 Post by BradS » Fri Aug 17, 2007 1:23 am

I am trying to get an idea of what people think of the SXGA+ screens on the T61s..

So if you are one of those out there with one, what do you think? I'm worried about the terrible viewing angles and light leakage that I keep hearing oh so much about. Does the SXGA+ suffer from those same problems?

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#2 Post by danny_isr » Fri Aug 17, 2007 1:41 am

i will have one tomorrow when my T61p arrives,
if it's anything like my T43 , it's fine with me.
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#3 Post by csv96 » Fri Aug 17, 2007 9:24 am

Just got mine two days ago. I don't notice any light spill. Viewing angles are just fine, maybe better than my previous T60p. But I've always been a fan of the 14.1" SXGA+ screen.
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#4 Post by danny_isr » Fri Aug 17, 2007 9:52 am

how did you get this card ? ATHEROS 11N
IBM T61p,2.2GHz,4G,320G 7200,14.1, SXGA+,FX570,Atheros,Btooth,Finger,6c,Win7 RC 64bit
IBM T43,2GHz,2G,80G,14.1 SXGA+,X300,a,b,g,BT,finger,6c,Win7 RC 32bit

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#5 Post by BradS » Fri Aug 17, 2007 10:06 am

I just got my SXGA+ T61. I don't know why I was worried, this screen looks great :D

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#6 Post by horatiub » Fri Aug 17, 2007 10:16 am

pictures people, pictures :)

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#7 Post by BradS » Fri Aug 17, 2007 10:53 am

horatiub wrote:pictures people, pictures :)
Hey you don't have to pull my arm :wink:

I apologize in advance for the crappy quality, sorry. :lol:

It doesn't do the screen justice.

Here are some I just snapped: 3 or 4 year old SONY LCD in the background, compare for yourselves:


img]http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j251/ ... C-068S.jpg[/img]
img]http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j251/ ... C-069S.jpg[/img]
img]http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j251/ ... C-071S.jpg[/img]
img]http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j251/ ... C-072S.jpg[/img]

If you want pictures of anything specific, just let me know, happy to share.

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#8 Post by csv96 » Fri Aug 17, 2007 11:11 am

danny_isr wrote:how did you get this card ? ATHEROS 11N
I used the link on this forum:

http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/cont ... 97923A87A9

And ditto what other people have said, it is much much better than the Intel 3495ABG card in my previous T60p. Stronger signal, faster transfer speeds, and no random disconnects.
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#9 Post by danny_isr » Fri Aug 17, 2007 11:21 am

got you, well seems more flexible doing this but more expensive too
IBM T61p,2.2GHz,4G,320G 7200,14.1, SXGA+,FX570,Atheros,Btooth,Finger,6c,Win7 RC 64bit
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#10 Post by pheos » Fri Aug 17, 2007 1:49 pm

Brad can you make some Benchmarks like with 3DMark and stuff kinda want to know how it performs compared to the 256 MB Quatro on the "big" t61p...

Mine is still stuck in customs :cry: wont get it until Monday...

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#11 Post by BradS » Fri Aug 17, 2007 3:00 pm

pheos wrote:Brad can you make some Benchmarks like with 3DMark and stuff kinda want to know how it performs compared to the 256 MB Quatro on the "big" t61p...

Mine is still stuck in customs :cry: wont get it until Monday...
Sure I can do that. I just had a gig stick of ram delivered so I'm gonna pop that in and make sure everything is good with that then I'll run see how 3DMark works out. This is gonna be without a clean install, I don't know how I could do a clean install without a Vista CD, seeing as Lenovo doesn't provide one.

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#12 Post by paOol » Fri Aug 17, 2007 3:59 pm

how long does it take you to boot?
off a factory default system (or pretty close to one).
i plan to do a clean install right when i get mine.
ordered (8/12), estimated ship date (8/30). cant wait!!!

T61 14.1''(4:3) SXGA+, 2.0 ghz, 2 gig,100gig 7200rpm, Quadro 140M,

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#13 Post by Pascal_TTH » Fri Aug 17, 2007 4:10 pm

pheos wrote:Brad can you make some Benchmarks like with 3DMark and stuff kinda want to know how it performs compared to the 256 MB Quatro on the "big" t61p...

Mine is still stuck in customs :cry: wont get it until Monday...

Yes please ! I collect all 3D Mark 2003, 2005 and 2006 scores for some data bases (aviable for everyone).

My actual large base use 3D Mark 2005 :
http://forum.tt-hardware.com/fichiers/u ... Image1.gif
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#14 Post by BradS » Fri Aug 17, 2007 4:42 pm

paOol wrote:how long does it take you to boot?
off a factory default system (or pretty close to one).
i plan to do a clean install right when i get mine.
I just installed new video card drivers, on the reboot it took just under 40 seconds from to see the logon screen.

I will get the 3Dmark scores, just give me some time I didn't realize how huge that file was.

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#15 Post by jcvjcvjcvjcv » Fri Aug 17, 2007 5:07 pm

BradS wrote:
horatiub wrote:
You forgot the '[' :wink:

Can you make a picture from different vertical viewing angles? The vertical viewing angles of the T61 WXGA+ is really poor. I hope the SXGA+ is better...
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#16 Post by BradS » Fri Aug 17, 2007 7:23 pm

Off of a factory default system loaded with vista home pro, with the only updated drivers being the video card, I got a score of 1395 in 3D Mark 2006

Thats pretty bad I think. I plan to do a clean install of windows Vista once I recieve my upgrade disk, update all drivers and run it again. These are system stats:

Pent Core 2 duo
2 GHZ DDR2 PC2-5300 Ram
nVidia quadro NVS 140M

I think it should have been a bit more then 1395

Can anyone make a guess as to why this score is so low? I've never ran one of these 3DMark tests before, but I'm thinking/hoping it is this factory installed vista.

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#17 Post by pheos » Fri Aug 17, 2007 7:53 pm

I thought your system had a quadro 570m in it... sorry
I guess 1385 for the 140 NVS is reasonable....

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#18 Post by BradS » Fri Aug 17, 2007 7:59 pm

pheos wrote:I thought your system had a quadro 570m in it... sorry
I guess 1385 for the 140 NVS is reasonable....
From what I read it should be somewhere around 3000, but meh... the only games I play are the olden goldens anyway.

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#19 Post by ryengineer » Fri Aug 17, 2007 10:24 pm

BradS wrote:From what I read it should be somewhere around 3000, but meh... the only games I play are the olden goldens anyway.
Sir, 3DMark05 numbers differ from 3DMark06 by huge figures. The former results are in 3000's and the latter in 1300-1500 ranges depending on the configuration of your Thinkpad T61 machine.
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#20 Post by Pascal_TTH » Sat Aug 18, 2007 6:28 am

3D Mark 2006 is about 1500 for Quadro NVS 140m. It's about 3000 for FX 570m.

3D Mark 2005 is about 3000 for Quadro NVS 140m. It's about 7500 for FX 570m.

Those 3000 scores can be confused for people who are not common with those benchmarks.
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#21 Post by bill333 » Sat Aug 18, 2007 8:37 am

thanks for the info, 2 questions...

1. how did you get to that cofig link? was if from the main lenovo.com site config page? When I try it I get to a model 8897 instead of an 8895

2. is the atheros a wireless N card? on your config page I see you checked 'wireless upgradable'. did you have to purchase a separate card somewhere?
thanks!

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#22 Post by BradS » Sat Aug 18, 2007 4:15 pm

Ahh thanks for the info on the 3Dmark scores, I had never run that program before so I had no idea. I was seaching the web to see how well my score fared to other laptop and found something on the web that listed 3DMark scores for a T61 with the nVidia 140M and the score was ~3000. I figured I was looking at 3DMark2006 scores, they must have been the 2005 ones.

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