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first impressions :

it's built like a tank. my T43 feels soft a bit now.
But i dont know how to explain that , typing and moving the mouse on the T43 feels "at home". maybe just not use to it yet.

the T43 got more slick looks .

i didn't notice any difference in the screen quailty . they both looks pretty similar . but i will look into that later.

heat wise : well the T61p does get hot , not like the T43 but it's more then i thought or expected after reading about it here.
right palm rest is warm
the fan is on all the time but very quite . but i'm in 80F here. so i guess it's acceptable .

it does take time to go to stby and back. and my Vista is still not loaded ...i wonder why is that.

now for what really bothers me , is the Vista perfomance score:

i expected the video card to come out as the highest score .... came out as the lowest !

Calculation per second 5.1
memory Operation per seconds 4.5
Desktop performance for Windows Aero 4.2 <-
3D buisness and gaming graphics 4.9
Disk Data transfer rate 4.9

if i remember right , i saw here someone with the 15.4" T61p came out at 5.9 for video.
so 128M vs 256M made such a difference ?

i'm still using here only 1G RAM .

i will update more later , i have really short time on it.
Next thing now i will probably create a partition for Linux.
before i'm investing too much time on it. any suggestions for size or partition and location ?



thanks.

Seem like the 570M in the 14" has lower GPU clock and probably 64bit memory bandwidth rather than 128bit as the 570M in 15.4". You can verify my assumptions by downloading the rivatuner and read to me what it says.

Hey danny_isr, good to hear that you like your new T61p!

I got my 4:3 T61 on Monday. A few observations so far:

- With Vista home, the Aero score is 3.2 with intel graphics. I quickly did a XP install from scratch though.
- It's indeed built like a tank. Fit and finish is excellent.
- It came with "ThinkPad T Series" logo on palmrest and LCD lid cover, as opposed to "IBM ThinkPad".
- The Chicony on T61 is a bit noisy and softer to press compared with the T42 Thailand NMB.
- The laptop runs very cool. CPU cores go between 36-43'C. Fan is off half the times.
- Major backlight bleeding at the bottom of LCD.
- The TMD LCD is quite a bit brighter than the 3 year old IDTech of T42.
- The 6 cell Sanyo battery fits very snuggly with T61. No wiggle at all.
- The front is about 4-5mm taller than T42. The rear is about 2-3mm taller. Some of the difference goes into the thickness of the rubber stand.
- With XP, power consumption can go as low as 9.0 watt with LCD at 8/15, wireless off, optical drive off. System at idle.
- With deep sleep CPU state enabled there is still the problem of low buzzing noise.
- The Seagate SATA drive goes about 35-37'C.


If I can answer questions on anything, please ask!

i didnt install any drivers , all as it came from Lenovo.

now the question is, what score the 140 gets.


$ffffffffff ----------------------------------------------------------------
$ffffffffff Northbridge information
$ffffffffff ----------------------------------------------------------------
$0400000000 Description : unknown
$0400000001 Vendor ID : 8086 (Intel)
$0400000002 Device ID : 2a00
$0400000003 AGP bus : not supported
$ffffffffff ----------------------------------------------------------------
$ffffffffff Display adapter information
$ffffffffff ----------------------------------------------------------------
$0000000000 Description : NVIDIA Quadro FX 570M
$0000000001 Vendor ID : 10de (NVIDIA)
$0000000002 Device ID : 040c
$0000000003 Location : bus 1, device 0, function 0
$0000000004 Bus type : PCIE
$000000000f PCIE link width : 16x supported, 16x selected
$0000000009 Base address 0 : d6000000 (memory range)
$000000000a Base address 1 : e0000000 (memory range)
$000000000b Base address 2 : none
$000000000c Base address 3 : d4000000 (memory range)
$000000000d Base address 4 : none
$000000000e Base address 5 : 00002000 (I/O range)
$ffffffffff ----------------------------------------------------------------
$ffffffffff NVIDIA specific display adapter information
$ffffffffff ----------------------------------------------------------------
$0100000000 Graphics core : G84 revision A2 (32sp)
$0100000001 Hardwired ID : 040c (ROM strapped to 040c)
$0100000002 Memory bus : 64-bit
$0100000003 Memory type : DDR3 (RAM configuration 00)
$0100000004 Memory amount : 131072KB
$0100000100 Core clock domain 0 : 513.000MHz
$0100000101 Core clock domain 1 : 1026.000MHz
$0100000006 Memory clock : 702.000MHz (1404.000MHz effective)
$0100000007 Reference clock : 27.000MHz

I got 4.0 for Aero rating and 4.6 for Business and Gaming graphics performance on a NVS 140M.
My GPU clock of course would be lower because NVS 140M is based on 8400M while your 570M is based on 8600M/8600GT.
You should see the clock for the card and the VRAM right in the main windows. If not, you can try go to the overclocking section to check out the default clock. Nevertheless, do not tamper with the setting in the overclocking windows because you can accidentally trigger overclocking.

Ok, here is my NVS 140M report:


$ffffffffff ----------------------------------------------------------------
$ffffffffff Northbridge information
$ffffffffff ----------------------------------------------------------------
$0400000000 Description : unknown
$0400000001 Vendor ID : 8086 (Intel)
$0400000002 Device ID : 2a00
$0400000003 AGP bus : not supported
$ffffffffff ----------------------------------------------------------------
$ffffffffff Display adapter information
$ffffffffff ----------------------------------------------------------------
$0000000000 Description : NVIDIA Quadro NVS 140M
$0000000001 Vendor ID : 10de (NVIDIA)
$0000000002 Device ID : 0429
$0000000003 Location : bus 1, device 0, function 0
$0000000004 Bus type : PCIE
$000000000f PCIE link width : 16x supported, 16x selected
$0000000009 Base address 0 : d2000000 (memory range)
$000000000a Base address 1 : e0000000 (memory range)
$000000000b Base address 2 : none
$000000000c Base address 3 : d0000000 (memory range)
$000000000d Base address 4 : none
$000000000e Base address 5 : 00002000 (I/O range)
$ffffffffff ----------------------------------------------------------------
$ffffffffff NVIDIA specific display adapter information
$ffffffffff ----------------------------------------------------------------
$0100000000 Graphics core : G86 revision A2 (16sp)
$0100000001 Hardwired ID : 0429 (ROM strapped to 0429)
$0100000002 Memory bus : 64-bit
$0100000003 Memory type : DDR3 (RAM configuration 00)
$0100000004 Memory amount : 131072KB
$0100000100 Core clock domain 0 : 432.000MHz
$0100000101 Core clock domain 1 : 864.000MHz
$0100000006 Memory clock : 601.712MHz (1203.424MHz effective)
$0100000007 Reference clock : 27.000MHz

now we need FX 570 256M report to complete this ...

Thank you very much for the comparisons. They were the most useful posts I've read in a while as I'm going to be migrating from a T42P.

The bad news is the sub par 570M in the 14.1" model. It's basically the same as a Quadro 140M. I guess my incoming T61P is going to go back and I'm gonna wait on a 15.4" model.

well i'm not sure if Vista performance test is something that we should judge by.

clocks between 140 to 570 don't mean anything. they can actually run even the same clock. they are different cores....


i thought doing that too , before i opened the box and get the 15"4. but it's huge

You can check out this website to compare the specs between G86 and G84 core:
http://www.beyond3d.com/resources/chip/121
http://www.beyond3d.com/resources/chip/125
The specs are very similar IMO. The only different the number of VS and the GPU clock/VRAM clock.

Fragment Processors 32x scalar MADD+MUL Vs 16x scalar MAD
whatever that means ..... ?

It is the indicator of pixel processing.
Seem like the G84 has twice the number of pixel processors as in G86.

just went back to my T43 , well yeah there is a temp difference
feels like burning hot compare to the 61

can i downclock the video ? like my X300 with power play ?

it will be nice to get more battery and even less heat if i'm not using any graphical application

post 3dmark06 scores

Sorry to disappoint you but 3DMark benchmark test is just pure gimmick. It does have some merit in measuring the gaming performance of the gaming cards. If you use the card for something else such as CAD design, BusinessMark and ScienceMark will be more practical. In other words, 3DMark has no practical benefit if you don't game.
Vista Performance Index, despite having some flaws, is more practical and more usable than 3DMark when not measure gaming performance.

hmm it doesnt come back from sleep correctly.
actually it wasnt even suppose to be in sleep mode. i just left if on for few hours and could not get back to my desktop. had to shut it down.

then when it's got back on , took forever to load the desktop. what's the deal with that ? when XP is fresh install its very zippy and fast.
this VIsta behaves slow and heavy before i even installed my stuff on.

well i do have only 1G , but the machine uses less then 1G. around 700-860M.
my question is , if i had more then 1G would it be faster ?

First of all, get rid of the default factory install! Install Vista (or XP) yourself, without all the crapware. And, important, without Symantec Norton Antivirus (this makes every computer act slow).

2nd, adding a 2nd GB wouldn't be bad for performance

700-800 MB is sad.

Mine is using around 450 MB (Vista)

Here's the dump I have from the 570 256M card:

$ffffffffff ----------------------------------------------------------------
$ffffffffff Northbridge information
$ffffffffff ----------------------------------------------------------------
$0400000000 Description : unknown
$0400000001 Vendor ID : 8086 (Intel)
$0400000002 Device ID : 2a00
$0400000003 AGP bus : not supported
$ffffffffff ----------------------------------------------------------------
$ffffffffff Display adapter information
$ffffffffff ----------------------------------------------------------------
$0000000000 Description : NVIDIA Quadro FX 570M
$0000000001 Vendor ID : 10de (NVIDIA)
$0000000002 Device ID : 040c
$0000000003 Location : bus 1, device 0, function 0
$0000000004 Bus type : PCIE
$000000000f PCIE link width : 16x supported, 16x selected
$0000000009 Base address 0 : d6000000 (memory range)
$000000000a Base address 1 : e0000000 (memory range)
$000000000b Base address 2 : none
$000000000c Base address 3 : d4000000 (memory range)
$000000000d Base address 4 : none
$000000000e Base address 5 : 00002000 (I/O range)
$ffffffffff ----------------------------------------------------------------
$ffffffffff NVIDIA specific display adapter information
$ffffffffff ----------------------------------------------------------------
$0100000000 Graphics core : G84 revision A2 (32sp)
$0100000001 Hardwired ID : 040c (ROM strapped to 040c)
$0100000002 Memory bus : 128-bit
$0100000003 Memory type : DDR3 (RAM configuration 00)
$0100000004 Memory amount : 262144KB
$0100000100 Core clock domain 0 : 297.000MHz
$0100000101 Core clock domain 1 : 594.000MHz
$0100000006 Memory clock : 300.856MHz (601.712MHz effective)
$0100000007 Reference clock : 27.000MHz


You folks see something funny? Look at the frequency read-out's in last few rows.... am I missing something?

it does make sense to me, if it's 128bit it needs half the amount of
clocks. to have the same performance of the 64bit with twice the clock rate..

So resolution wise you have more, but performance wise they should be similiar....

at least that's what i can think of.

Well that sux!

Guess the 128 bit bus gets achieved due to some sort of Dual channeling , and you need to chips for that ( 2 x 128), so since there is only one chip for the small 570 only half the bandwidth...

Nobody stated that anywhere! I feel screwed!!

Addition:

I installed nTune and overclocked my 570m
from 475 to 605 mhz (core)
memory from 702 to 803 MHz;

My 3Dmark score jumpt to 2634 ( 300 points more ).

System runs absolutly stable and the gpu temperature is around 140 Degrees ( 60 Degrees Celsius).

So I think there is a lot of reserve in case you need more power...

blau wrote:You folks see something funny? Look at the frequency read-out's in last few rows.... am I missing something?

Were you running on battery power?

Daniel wrote:

blau wrote:You folks see something funny? Look at the frequency read-out's in last few rows.... am I missing something?

Were you running on battery power?

Yup, seem like PowerPlay is active on battery. Try plugging in the AC and gives us what Rivatuner reads.

I took the readings when it was powered by AC.

I even chose "Maximum Performance" and still got the same readings.

danny_isr wrote:it does make sense to me, if it's 128bit it needs half the amount of
clocks. to have the same performance of the 64bit with twice the clock rate..

So resolution wise you have more, but performance wise they should be similiar....

at least that's what i can think of.

That is only right for the VRAM, not for the core. Why is his GPU clock is lower than yours in the 14" although both are based on the same core ?
Unless the power is not measured in MHz alone, there is apparently some difference in architecture of the 570M on 14.1" and 15.4".

Download nTune to get correct readings!!
Quatro 570m core runs at 475 Mhz and the Memory at 700 Mhz !

which machine you got ?

It would be worth it for one of you with the 14" t61p w/ the 570m to install the GeForce drivers from laptopvideo2go.com and run a gaming benchmark. You have many people at notebookreview.com sitting on the edge of their seats with this discussion.

where did you guys get that Nvdia dump information? is it in the Ntune app?

Danny_isr:

Can you say any more on the SXGA+ screen? I have the same screen on my 14" t61, this one is manufactured by TMD. Do you notice light leakage? Check this out:

Is that par for the course with a thinkpad 14" SXGA+ screen?