So they want me to send it to depot (service issue)

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So they want me to send it to depot (service issue)

#1 Post by UltraCow » Mon Feb 25, 2008 7:38 pm

Hi guys! Long time lurker, first time poster here. Unfortunately, my first post here is about a service issue. :(

Anyway, a little background would probably be in order, so here goes.

Bought a T61p last October, received it and have been having a great time using it since them, up till now. The machine was functionally fine (ie, no lockups or temp issues) but had some bad hinges on it that would make a "cracking" noise when the lid was moved from a stationary position, and also had a noticeable amount of play before tightening up when attempting to readjust the angle.

To make a long story short, I had the hinges replaced (on-site warranty) twice for this issue and each replacement did not make it any better. I figured I would just live with it for a little while as the machine itself was still functional, but after a couple of months it finally got to me. Had them replaced a third time just recently (last Wednesday in fact) and while the hinge issue was finally solved, in changing out the parts the tech somehow damaged the notebook to the point where it will not post. Trying to turn it on results in the normal power LED's lighting up initially, however the backlight does not come on and there is no signal on the LCD. Within about 5 seconds the entire system cuts power on it's own and will not even respoind to another attempt unless the power source is removed and reinserted. In removing the LCD bezel he also snapped off several tabs on the LCD rollcage itself. :?
I ended up calling support again that same day to have them send a replacement rollcage to me so I could be able to install it myself (I'm a PC tech that works on ThinkPads all the time, so...) as I now had zero confidence in the tech that was sent out.

Part arrives in a couple days, and before I set to work on the replacement process I wanted to make sure the system was functional before I even touched it. This is when, much to my dismay I found out the current condition of the system. Both the tech and I had to leave in a hurry when he did the replacement, so neither of us had time to do a system check that day and I was busy up till when I had planned to swap the LCD rollcage. Because of the system not even turning on at this point I figured it was probably safer for me not to replace the rollcage, so back into the box it went. :roll:


So, fastforward to today when I called hardware support yet again to see what could be done about the situation. I gave them the case number I had been given on Friday when I initially called to report the non-functional condition of the system and, after a bit of figuring out who to talk to, was told that they could send a tech out to replace the mobo (which is what I'd figured was one of two possibly bad components). At this point I asked if there was any possibility of having the system replaced as I was *not* feeling all that confident about that same tech coming and possibly messing up other components while trying to swap the motherboard. There was also the fact that any time spent in subsequent repairs if something went wrong again would end up costing me and Lenovo more time and money. Eventually I found out that I would have to speak to a supervisor about it and was told to expect a call from someone within the hour.

After a few minutes he calls and asks what he can help me with. I explain the situation, and after looking at the service log he then tells me, that because of the most recent parts dispatch (the LCD rollcage that I was going to install myself) the only option is to send the notebook to depot because they needed to verify that the tech was the one who caused the damage and not me. I reiterated the fact that I had *not* installed the replacement part after the system failed to post and that the tech was the only one who could have caused the damage, however he still maintained that the only option was depot service.

Knowing about what some people have gone through on here dealing with return-to-depot cases, I *very* reluctantly let him set up a dispatch as he didn't leave me any other options at this point.

What I'm wondering is, should I be all that worried about sending the machine in? What do you guys think? Was I asking too much for a replacement system? At this point all I want is a working system that's returned in either the same or better condition than it was before leaving my hands and done in a timely manner; all of this stuff just compunding like this doesn't exactly make for a nice customer experience either.
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Sorry about the veritable "book" that this post turned into and if you've made it this far, congratulations! :lol:
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#2 Post by carbon_unit » Mon Feb 25, 2008 8:56 pm

I see their point about wanting it to go to the depot. Since they sent a non CRU for you to install they have to make sure you didn't do the damage. The unused roll cage should be adequate proof that you didn't install it. Actually I can't believe they sent it to you in the first place. I am also a service tech who regularly works on Thinkpads but I am not certified by Lenovo. Nor do I do third party service work for them.

I have sent many machines to the Depot and I have never had any problems. While you will read horror stories here about trips to the Depot and the subsequent damage incurred there. Keep in mind that many machines go to the Depot and get great service and nobody ever posts about that.
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#3 Post by lithium726 » Mon Feb 25, 2008 10:08 pm

I've always gotten great service from Depot, had to send in a couple T40's in the past for mainboard issues. They've had a day turn around time and my laptops always come back in the same condition they left in.

My T60 was actually just shipped off to the Depot about 3 hours ago for loose hinges, broken latch, and a buzzing fan. Hopefully I get the same level of service I've come to expect.

I can't believe they sent you the rollcage either...
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#4 Post by LBTRS » Tue Feb 26, 2008 2:35 pm

If you have warranty service why would you want to do anything yourself and risk screwing something up and voiding your warranty? That's a dumb move on your part imo. I would let them deal with it so they can't place any blame on you whatsoever.

I don't blame them a bit for wanting you to send it in after sending you parts to replace yourself then calling to say you're having another problem.

I really don't think you're in any position to make demands at this point as I would think they could not honor your warranty now since you insisted on "doing it yourself".

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#5 Post by UltraCow » Tue Feb 26, 2008 3:04 pm

Thanks for the input guys! Hearing about other's depot experiences makes me feel a lot more comfortable sending it in. It actually just left my hands mere minutes ago and is on its way; so hopefully I'll have a machine back in my hands pretty soon that's in the condition it was before the tech left last week. :D

Oh, just FYI, but the reason I was going to replace it myself (didn't actually do it) was because the lousy job the first tech did did not exactly inspire confidence that another on-site call would have had a better outcome. :wink:
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#6 Post by carbon_unit » Tue Feb 26, 2008 5:05 pm

UltraCow wrote:Oh, just FYI, but the reason I was going to replace it myself (didn't actually do it) was because the lousy job the first tech did did not exactly inspire confidence that another on-site call would have had a better outcome. :wink:
I understand that part but that also means there is a possiblity that an untrained technician (as far as they know) has broken the system installing a non CRU (Customer Replaceable Unit) part.
Although I can fix my T60 myself I would never give Lenovo any indication that I ever had it open for my warrantys sake.
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