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So rumours says that the ATI Mobility Radeon HD3650 will come on board on the next flagship....

pro's: - 55nm(cooler, less power consum.)
- dx10.1,
- hdmi output (up to the manuf. i guess)
- display port ( same as hdmi, i guess)

con'S:
Unfortunatly, for performance, i heard that it is pretty equal to the 570m card in the t61p.... anyone can confirm this ?

(costs 95$ in the desktop version)

never liked ati. always been a nvidia fan. but i really hate the fact that ati drivers requires .net

well if you run the installer thing which installs CCC or what? Surely Vista has .NET but i just usually install my drivers from the device manager using the INF file.

I for some reason like ATI compared to nVidia. Always seems that ATI just has better support for their systems when compared to nVidia. They took forever to come out with decent Vista drivers and still responsible for lots of Vista crashes (source later)

I'd be happy to have an HD 3650 in my laptop, especially if it's using hybrid graphics that AMD have been proposing.

o1001010 wrote:never liked ati. always been a nvidia fan. but i really hate the fact that ati drivers requires .net

What is the problem with .net? From computer science point of view .net is very strong.

When is the next release supposed to materialize? I'm waiting for the next release before I purchase another ThinkPad...

o1001010 wrote:

never liked ati. always been a nvidia fan.

Well, nVidia has never done well with ThinkPads. Only models that had these cards (G41 and T61/R61) had driver issues associated with them from here to eternity.

I'm not saying that these cards are bad, but ATi would get my vote any day, on a ThinkPad, that is.

I've always had better luck with ATI and compatibilty than nVidia.

I don't know the difference really, but it seems that nVidia is more for gaming, and ATI more for business use. This is how advertising may have poisoned my perception of the truth. lol...

But that sounds exciting!! I would love to have that HD3650 in my next Thinkpad. This is interesting from another point of view. Thinkpads have ALWAYS used ATI for video chips/cards, with the only exception being the T61/p series as of right now.

How come they're going back to ATI IF the rumor is really true. OP: Do you have a source for this interesting bit of news!

I hope everything else to revert back to normal as well. Namely IPS.

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well, i had problems with both, ati and nvidia...but i am disappointed that the ati is only as fast as the older nvidia...

new non-p models never had a faster graphic card than the previous generation p model...

nvidias are usually faster in terms of performance.
and regarding drivers, well, i am a little conservative, i believe that stuff like drivers should be done directly in c++ instead of on top of another framwork.

you only need the framework if you use the ati driver with the new setup program. you can use a version without it and than you dont need the framework...

Correct me if I'm wrong but .NET is only used by ATI for their control panel code not the underlying driver. Either way, I find that Nvidia's current driver on the desktop products at least (Geforce 7, WinXP) is worse than ATI's. I'm not a big fan of .NET either but I'd prefer ATI graphics.

If the rumours are true and the HD 3650 is onboard the standard models and not just the performance ones, then it'll be a great win for everyone considering that it was stated in this rumour that discrete graphics can also be turned off as well. The best of both worlds.

I haven't checked this but is an HD 3650 not considerably faster than an NVS 140M which is a budget workstation piece?

Royally blows for those using linux as the ATI driver is pretty craptastic in Linux. Hopefully the open source drivers catch up for this.

But ATI's driver's free non-proprietary driver will be better in the long run. I admit, they haven't done much to the fglrx driver for awhile apart from bug fixes. RadeonHD development looks promising though, even at such an early stage.

<<discrete graphics can also be turned off as well.
wow, that would be really nice !!! at least !


as i had ati's cards i thought the driver is so bad, nvidia must be better. but than i saw that they are even worse. unbelievable.

To be honest, and this is still relevant, I don't know why Nvidia changed from it's unified driver architecture to make this big and bloated full-screen integrated into Windows XP app that looks dreadful... That's one arena they shouldn't have competed with ATI in.

I don't understand really though, if Gizmodo is to be believed that suggests that the chipset will be AMD, as it's AMD's chipset that will have the integrated graphics core for when on battery and then the discrete graphics card for when on A/C. It doesn't make sense, as we all know that the processors inside the new Thinkpads will be Intel... I'm probably reading all too much in to this, or getting my wires crossed somewhere.