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Well unfortunately the t60p I purchased had to be sent back. My brother who's back in the UK, said there were things wrong with it and the warranty had already ran out.
I did apply for post warranty, but that's now been cancelled.

So it's back to the hunt. There's quite a few models that have "U" at the end and I'm guessing that these are American models? I'd like to avoid the "U" t60p's if they are, as I've heard that the warranty could be a fiddly when it comes to international conveniences.
So what does "G" mean? I've also seen some models that have "2007YS3". What does the "Y" mean?

There's a few 15 inch SXGA +, but I really need that UXGA, so I may have to buy the lower res and then do a screen swap (but all this "edid" business leaves me scared).

The ones ending with U are pre-configured US models. These are the only ones that appear in the Tabook.
The ones ending with G are pre-configured Global models.

The others are mostly special orders, such as CTOs (customized-to-order) models, corporate special configurations etc.

The international warranty is actually determined by the model type (first four digits of the machine type only), and you can check it here:
http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site. ... d=look-iws

FWIW, all model types 2623/2007 (which are the preconfigured 15" Flexview SXGA+/UXGA T60/p models have international warranty valid everywhere.

Don't know if those codes can be directly related to certain features / countries of origin, but maybe your best bet would be to get both the TYPE and S/N and plug them into this:

http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site. ... -WARNTY#sw

This will tell you the status of the warranty and which country it's supposed to be in. My understanding is that the "U" at the end of the TYPE normally signifies a US system. That is to say it has a US-style keyboard and an OS install tailored for/with US customers in mind. I'm not sure if that's a 100% guarantee. You may also be able to figure out what the other characters mean by looking into the Hardware Maintenance Manual:

http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site. ... MIGR-62733 (T60/p 1951, 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955, 1956, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2613, 2623, 2637 systems)

Thanks for the replies.
That's very interesting about the CT0 models having the "Y" letters (seen some with other letters as well and their all based on CT0's).
Also noticed that some CT0's come with the T7600 and V5250 already installed ( but funnily enough, they are all SXGA+ and not UXGA's).

Thinking it might be best to just find and buy one of those models with the already installed V5250 + T7600 and then buy the screen separately. At least that way I'll get the highest spec possible. (no point skimping out when it's for your career )

Worzyl wrote:Thinking it might be best to just find and buy one of those models with the already installed V5250 + T7600 and then buy the screen separately. At least that way I'll get the highest spec possible. (no point skimping out when it's for your career )

Also no point in focusing on the negligible performance differences between T7200/T7400 and T7600, and V5200 and V5250. If you want the highest specs possible, you are not looking for an outdated T60 anyways. Although, being a fan of Flexview screens, I understand where you are coming from.

If anything, I'd focus on the differences in heat between V5200 and V5250 (although I always forget which of them runs hotter).

Oh, and FWIW, CPU is an easy thing to upgrade - far easier (and typically cheaper) than the LCD or motherboard. So if you are considering buying one and customizing it, I'd focus on the screen and GPU you want, and if the CPU is not what you want - upgrade that part.

[/quote]Also no point in focusing on the negligible performance differences between T7200/T7400 and T7600, and V5200 and V5250. If you want the highest specs possible, you are not looking for an outdated T60 anyways. Although, being a fan of Flexview screens, I understand where you are coming from.

If anything, I'd focus on the differences in heat between V5200 and V5250 (although I always forget which of them runs hotter).

Oh, and FWIW, CPU is an easy thing to upgrade - far easier (and typically cheaper) than the LCD or motherboard. So if you are considering buying one and customizing it, I'd focus on the screen and GPU you want, and if the CPU is not what you want - upgrade that part.[/quote]

Good points, but seriously - those are incredibly high specs compared to what I'm using now I've read somewhere on the forum notebook review that the V5250 is supposed to run cooler than the V5200. I also saw another passing comment on another forum mentioning the same thing. However, I do wonder if the users were using them for games (cause I certainly wont be).

Okay, so it's best to focus on V5250 with a UXGA. I emailed an IBM retailer that "supposedly" has a 2007YS3(SXGA+)and also the Boe Hydis in stock, but I've had to request a quote. I might just get them to install the UXGA for me if they have both these items.

Also I really appreciate the help given to me since I've joined this forum.

IIRC, Y just means it's a custom configuration. I've got a 2007-WLY, which is a custom configuration for a corporate customer, based on a CTO config.

And, I'd rather install an LCD than a CPU any day. Installing an LCD by the book is much harder than a CPU, but I don't do it by the book - the book procedure covers every possible eventuality, but when you just want to swap the panel, you don't need to remove the LCD assembly from the chassis, or remove the cables, so about 75% of the job doesn't have to be done.

Here's another thing, what are you going to do with it, that you'd need a V5200 or V5250? You could get a regular T60 with an X1300 or X1400, both cooler running (but slower) cards. Or, even, integrated graphics, but that sucks. Everything else, including CPU options, are the same.

bhtooefr wrote:IIRC, Y just means it's a custom configuration. I've got a 2007-WLY, which is a custom configuration for a corporate customer, based on a CTO config.

And, I'd rather install an LCD than a CPU any day. Installing an LCD by the book is much harder than a CPU, but I don't do it by the book - the book procedure covers every possible eventuality, but when you just want to swap the panel, you don't need to remove the LCD assembly from the chassis, or remove the cables, so about 75% of the job doesn't have to be done.

Here's another thing, what are you going to do with it, that you'd need a V5200 or V5250? You could get a regular T60 with an X1300 or X1400, both cooler running (but slower) cards. Or, even, integrated graphics, but that sucks. Everything else, including CPU options, are the same.

Thanks for the info on the panel assembly. I watched a youtube video of a thinkpad having a new lcd fitted and it didn't look that bad.
I'm an animator and illustrator so a fast graphics card helps a lot, as sometimes I get some really heavy models to animate with - especially if it's facial stuff or some background models/sets that get thrown at me I don't like using 15 inch wide screens for animating as the windows, timeline and toolbar menu's get cluttered and squished.
Ideally it would be better to go for a completely different "New up to date 2009" laptop, but I really can't be dealing with screens where I can't read the colours I'm using when I'm doing illustrations. I've once actually had to re-colour an image that I illustrated because I wasn't looking at the screens sweet spot!
That was NOT a good day.

Ouch. And people wonder why TN panels are disliked.

You may want to try to get your hands on a UXGA sRGB model, although that'll be expensive if you can find one.

FWIW: I have a 14.1" SXGA+ T60 2008-CTO, which has the P/N 2008-VKL, which can be found on the Lenovo site.

bhtooefr wrote:Ouch. And people wonder why TN panels are disliked.

You may want to try to get your hands on a UXGA sRGB model, although that'll be expensive if you can find one.

Could you tell me what model that would be (I remember that it was told on this forum that they were not put into production....)

Thanks for the info RealBlackStuff, but the spec is a little to low for me:)

Ah, my T60 is not for sale anyway. I just gave the MTM for info.
CTO machines quite often also have the P/N under the Type/Model, which makes it possible to look up the innards of those models.

Well, the panel itself is IBM PN 13N7194, and that does exist, although it may be hard to find - and be careful of sellers claiming a panel is that, when it's really just "compatible." Best case when someone says "compatible" is you'll get a 13N7076, and more likely, you'd get some crappy knockoff panel.

bhtooefr wrote:Well, the panel itself is IBM PN 13N7194, and that does exist, although it may be hard to find - and be careful of sellers claiming a panel is that, when it's really just "compatible." Best case when someone says "compatible" is you'll get a 13N7076, and more likely, you'd get some crappy knockoff panel.

Wow - I just had a look on the net and there is quite a few! The price ranges vary from $950 - $160 (£580 - £97). Sorry for not checking that first (just assumed it wasn't there).
Anybody know any trusted sellers?

Worzyl wrote:Wow - I just had a look on the net and there is quite a few! The price ranges vary from $950 - $160 (£580 - £97). Sorry for not checking that first (just assumed it wasn't there).
Anybody know any trusted sellers?

Keep an eye on Taobao.com and search for HV150UX1 - if they have good feedback then i'd trust them, but payment can get really tricky... sometimes there are sellers offering HV150UX1-102, which is the 13N7194. Also, this "sRGB" stuff is a bit overrated IMO. It does not have the wide color space of sRGB - instead the color primaries it features are calibrated/remapped to match a scaled version of the the sRGB color primaries triangle (the blue one here: http://arnaud.klinger.free.fr/photo/ges ... _gamut.jpg) - so that the spectrum it produces have a corresponding triangle with sides that are parallel to the sides of the sRGB triangle. This is "sRGB mode", and would make much more sense if the 13N7076 LCD was totally uncalibrated to begin with - but it isn't.

Troels wrote:

Worzyl wrote:Excessive, nested quoting removed

Keep an eye on Taobao.com and search for HV150UX1 - if they have good feedback then i'd trust them, but payment can get really tricky... sometimes there are sellers offering HV150UX1-102, which is the 13N7194. Also, this "sRGB" stuff is a bit overrated IMO. It does not have the wide color space of sRGB - instead the color primaries it features are calibrated/remapped to match a scaled version of the the sRGB color primaries triangle (the blue one here: http://arnaud.klinger.free.fr/photo/ges ... _gamut.jpg) - so that the spectrum it produces have a corresponding triangle with sides that are parallel to the sides of the sRGB triangle. This is "sRGB mode", and would make much more sense if the 13N7076 LCD was totally uncalibrated to begin with - but it isn't.

So it's not "true" sRGB. I wonder why it's done like that?
I'll check out Taobao.com. Thanks!!

http://savereshop.com/advanced_search_r ... a&x=9&y=11

Sorry to bump but...

Is there a reason why some stores place t60p prices so high? These are up to date prices and are for widescreen t60p's. I enquired about 4:3 15 inch and the price was no different retailing around $2800. I've seen other stores in the same price range.
Other stores I've seen have prices below a $1000. Rarely have I seen a laptop so inconsistent in price.

Am I missing something?

If I were looking for a T60p with somewhat specific configuration, I'd be posting a WTB ad in the forum's Marketplace and wouldn't be bothered with who wants how much online...

My $0.02 only...

Definitely right ajkula66, but the question was more directed at why the prices are still so high.

Well, since it's the very last FlexView anyone will ever see, a brand new unopened one may be worth a premium for certain people...that's part one...

Many online retailers are just not-so-well-disguised highway robbers...that's part two...

I always die laughing when I'm looking for a part that IBM has in stock, but I don't feel like paying their price, and bump into places online that charge 70-80% more...

Worzyl wrote:Definitely right ajkula66, but the question was more directed at why the prices are still so high.

I highly doubt those things are even in stock. so many "new unopened" T60ps? Yeah, right. It's probably a very outdated page from like 3 years ago, when these were the prices for such configurations.

dr_st wrote:I highly doubt those things are even in stock. so many "new unopened" T60ps? Yeah, right. It's probably a very outdated page from like 3 years ago, when these were the prices for such configurations.

That's exactly what I thought at first. But I emailed the company and asked them if the data had been updated and they replied back with:

"The prices are current and updated regularly. T60p starts from $1,799.00."

How they are updating these is anyone's guess.

Worzyl wrote:"The prices are current and updated regularly. T60p starts from $1,799.00."

Still doesn't convince me.

A reseller stuck with old stock will do anything to get rid of it. 99% of the general population will not buy old laptops when newer faster ones are out there. Only true Thinkpad junkies like us might consider it. And true Thinkpad junkies know the value very well, and will never pay these ridiculous prices.

My guess is you just had someone brainlessly looking at the list in your link and sending you a brainless answer.

Ridiculous prices indeed! The shocking thing about it is the amount of sellers doing this. Also, on top of what you said about:

"A reseller stuck with old stock will do anything to get rid of it.."

The seller eagerly wrote back when I asked about 15 inch T60p's, where I was sent an email with a $2800 price quote. I didn't bother replying - then 2 hours later, I received another email:

"This item will ship directly from the manufacturer. When you are ready to order I will send you an invoice with a link to pay. Thank you for your business."

Worzyl wrote:"This item will ship directly from the manufacturer. When you are ready to order I will send you an invoice with a link to pay. Thank you for your business."

Then they must be totally out of touch with reality if they think Lenovo has any T60s to ship.

If you actually went ahead and ordered it the process would be approximately as follows:

* The reseller contacts Lenovo and asks to order the laptop
* The Lenovo salesperson replies with some and a lot of
* The reseller than comes back to you and says "I'm sorry sir, this laptop cannot be purchased, since it's been discontinued. Maybe you would like something else instead?"
* You politely decline and they refund you (assuming they already charged your card).

dr_st wrote:

Then they must be totally out of touch with reality if they think Lenovo has any T60s to ship.

Hey, you never know...maybe all of our moaning over IPS/AFFS here and on the Lenovo's forum finally paid of....

No!!! I didn't pay them anything. I didn't even reply back.
Even though it's the British pound that I'm earning, there's no way on earth (or any other planet for that matter) that I would ever be paying those prices!

Hey, ten years ago that would've been a bargain for the 600 series unit...

Even six-seven years ago, for an A31p...

I replied to their email explaining that the prices are way too high, as well as questioning about the item coming straight from the manufactures. I also asked why they are trying to sell me a t60p for $2800 when there are more powerful new thinkpads on the manufacturers website which are all cheaper. I told them thanks but no thanks.
I got this reply:

"Thanks for your email. This product has been discontinued but that doesn't mean you it is not in stock. It will ship directly from the Distributor, Not the Manufacturer, that was a typing error. That explains the price as it is not readily available. Good luck in find a Geniune one. This would have been brand new. Thanks for considering us."