Swiss cheese keyboard on t60 - so far so good.

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Swiss cheese keyboard on t60 - so far so good.

#1 Post by netzspannung » Wed May 05, 2010 10:39 am

The sorry part: on my T60, the trusty and well worn NMB keyboard has recently fell victim to strawberry jam ;) In an attempt to clean the sticky keys, I wash the whole board thoroughly (did that before with no ill effects), but it either didn't seem to dry completely, or the sugar got inside the membrane, so I now have a short-circuit looking dark stripe under the Shift key. At first, the computer would boot with wild beeps and none of the keys were working, now they are mostly back, but Z and Shift are messed up and not working. So, new keyboard time, thinks I.

The even more sorry part: In an attempt to buy a new kbd, I call the local IBM support, who say they wont care for Lenovo products anymore, but play nice and give me the Lenovo support number. Which I dial. The bureaucratic machine kicks in, I am asked for my serial number, email, telephone, name and address and then informed that I cannot order parts directly from them. "Are you satisfied with Lenovo support? Have I answered all your questions?". Hell yes. I am satisfied beyond belief.

Ok, their website has a list of service center numbers, all independent from either IBM or Lenovo, which I dial.
SC #1 says to me: you cannot order parts, bring your machine to us, pay and wait for the diagnostics (WTF? I know it's the keyboard, stupid), also they cannot give me a price quote - they have no idea.
SC #2 is more cooperative, says: we need to contact Lenovo on our behalf, pls send an email with the FRU number to our staff, which we shall pass down to Lenovo in a week, they will answer us in 6-7 days approx, then we can give you a price quote, then you pay, then you wait 6-8 WEEKS for the keyboard to arrive. Phuck that, methinks. I send an email just in case, and get nothing in response so far. Just great.

SC#3 is the best of all. The guy on the phone says to me plain and simple: "I understand your situation, but cannot help you. Please bear in mind that NO AMOUNT of money can get you a new keyboard from us or any other official certified service center. The supply warehouses, located in Moscow, Slovenia and the Netherlands are in a phase of IBM to Lenovo transition right now. I do not have a local warehouse and I don't have access to the either of the main bases. So all I can give you is my friend's number, he breaks old systems apart and he helps us do business somewhat"

What kind of a ridiculous system is that? @#^!&!!!

The best part: I call the guys's friend, he has the kbd in stock for about $100, I go to his home and buy the [censored] thing in his hallway, on the dark and somewhat smelly staircase. It is a new, mint keyboard from a T400\T500, an ALPS judging by the criss-cross thingys underneath the keys and (Oh! The Horror! The Horror!) has the infamous perforated backing plate. I can report it works wonderfully with no flex when typing and only negligible flex when pushing hard on it. It is slightly more loud then the NMB, but I like the more definite tactile feedback, and overall it's wonderful, easily better than the old worn-to-hell with mirror-shiny keys NMB. Total time, 2 hours instead of 6 weeks. Not bad. Worth the extra $50.

So, in Soviet Russia, Lenovo has you... but we retaliate with black market parts at a sigificant markup. What does a CIO of a large business do if he relies on Lenovo here, I do not know. Maybe shooting himself in the head is the best option.

Please tell me what you think of this situation. Maybe I wasn't pulling the right strings? As if now, I am simply outraged and the T60 is my last IBM laptop for the time being, however much I like it.
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Re: Swiss cheese keyboard on t60 - so far so good.

#2 Post by ausmike » Wed May 05, 2010 10:46 am

HIYA netz*.....

mate ,,,,,,,,big story ! nice to see lenovo is well liked in Russia still yeah ?> not!

here is something that MIGHT HELP YOU .................

T60P ( 2007) keyboard is same as the newer W500 keyboard
buy that ! ... and problem solved !!

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Re: Swiss cheese keyboard on t60 - so far so good.

#3 Post by netzspannung » Wed May 05, 2010 10:51 am

Well, that's more or less what I did. Read my story above. Thanks for replying anyway.
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#4 Post by ausmike » Wed May 05, 2010 11:10 am

Cheers mate..... stay warm :P
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#5 Post by RealBlackStuff » Wed May 05, 2010 11:24 am

Even with shipping to Russia, buying in our Market forum (or on eBay) would have been cheaper...
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#6 Post by netzspannung » Wed May 05, 2010 2:40 pm

RealBlackStuff wrote:Even with shipping to Russia, buying in our Market forum (or on eBay) would have been cheaper...
Well, you're right... kinda.. But this leaves issues:
1. Hard to find Cyrillic layout
2. Sending with regular post a major pain and reported unreliable, UPS\FedEx absurdly high price
3. Customs clearance is still a matter of luck and depends on what the officer's breakfast consisted of.
4. Time.

So I don't regret the price. What I regret is that there is no "normal" way to buy parts. All of this is just insane.
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Re: Swiss cheese keyboard on t60 - so far so good.

#7 Post by Yacek » Wed May 05, 2010 4:05 pm

netzspannung wrote:
So, in Soviet Russia, Lenovo has you... but we retaliate with black market parts at a sigificant markup. What does a CIO of a large business do if he relies on Lenovo here, I do not know. Maybe shooting himself in the head is the best option.

Please tell me what you think of this situation. Maybe I wasn't pulling the right strings? As if now, I am simply outraged and the T60 is my last IBM laptop for the time being, however much I like it.

And don't tell me plz that "global" companies are treating their clients equally all over the world..... there are always "better" and "worse". here in this part of the world we used to that :/
such things could not happen in US. EOT
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#8 Post by ausmike » Wed May 05, 2010 8:03 pm

net* & Yacek....

Yips ,,,, makes it EVEN more intresting when pple who TRAVEL a lot and
when things break and you cannot get it fixed under WARRANTY !!!!

LOL - This coonfirms my feeling that my company is waisting TIME & MONEY buying THESE warranty from lenovo.....- things are NEAR IMPOSSIBLE to 'breakfix' where due to costsavings LENOVO or 'cutbacks' has
......broken the long standing 'theme' of 'standard thinkpad(s) models' around the world !

yips > I know everyone here is going to jump on me for saying that > YIP i know there is LOCAL KEYBOARDS ,,,,,,, and THAT ought to be the ONLY EXCEPTION!
when travelling ( as often as i do) sucks when u in middle of ASIA and local IBM/Lenovo tells you ..in the nicest way ,,,"Pi888 0ff"


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Re: Swiss cheese keyboard on t60 - so far so good.

#9 Post by eatbuckshot » Thu May 06, 2010 1:28 pm

I Also decided to clean my keyboard via full submerge, and well, i thought i dried it enough but i guess i didn't because it worked for a couple hours after but started to stick keys... I tried taking it out again and blow drying it some more which temporarily fixed it, but after a while it just stayed stuck. Now I just have the keyboard with my 6 key constantly held down. Rather irritating since it was my favorite keyboard.. I've been trying to contact ibm for replacement, but they just don't answer the phone..

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#10 Post by ausmike » Thu May 06, 2010 2:31 pm

eatbuckshot wrote:.......ibm for replacement, but they just don't answer the phone..
...

VERY Curious > what number u callin that IBM PARTS PPLE dont answer - 'sho0t' ?
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Re: Swiss cheese keyboard on t60 - so far so good.

#11 Post by netzspannung » Sat May 08, 2010 1:28 pm

UPDATE:

according to this image

http://thinkpadblog.blog96.fc2.com/blog-entry-827.html

What i now have is a new-style NMB (!), not an ALPS.
So case solved. No wonder that I like this keyboard so much. It's good.
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#12 Post by BruisedQuasar » Sun May 09, 2010 6:39 pm

I am familiar with Alps & Chicony but not NMB. Can someone tell me what NMB stands for?

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#13 Post by mgo » Sun May 09, 2010 7:07 pm

netzspannung wrote:The sorry part: on my T60, the trusty and well worn NMB keyboard has recently fell victim to strawberry jam ;)
Your sad tale is just another reminder that I must not allow any food (especially cookies with crumbs!) or anything wet within ten feet of my computers.

It's best for me to go to the kitchen or out on the porch to eat or drink. Hell, I need the exercise anyway!

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#14 Post by Neil » Sun May 09, 2010 7:14 pm

NMB Technologies Corporation is one of the manufacturers that supply keyboards on an OEM basis.
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#15 Post by BruisedQuasar » Mon May 10, 2010 10:20 am

Thank you for the reply Neil.

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