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X32 Battery Maximiser / Power Manager issue

#1 Post by wujstefan » Thu May 09, 2024 9:35 am

I am just right now restoring my old and trusty X32 to its full glory, and actually am struggling with some drivers.

Apart from issues with XP activation (love you M$) and all of different driver flaws, I'm fighting with one matter - what had happened to all the functions under power manager for windows XP? I have installed Battery Maximiser, it didn't give me any option to set tresholds or even to check battery state. I have installed power manager for T43p. Now I know the battery state, but has no option to reset the battery or check for tresholds.

What the heck?
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Re: X32 Battery Maximiser / Power Manager issue

#2 Post by TPFanatic » Thu May 09, 2024 10:13 am

Neither maximiser nor power manager on my a31 can do thresholds, I think the feature just doesn’t exist. I don’t remember if I could set it on t42. My z60 can do it but it’s basically just a slow t60.

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Re: X32 Battery Maximiser / Power Manager issue

#3 Post by wujstefan » Thu May 09, 2024 10:56 am

TPFanatic wrote:
Thu May 09, 2024 10:13 am
Neither maximiser nor power manager on my a31 can do thresholds, I think the feature just doesn’t exist. I don’t remember if I could set it on t42. My z60 can do it but it’s basically just a slow t60.
Actually Z60=T43=X32
Z61 is a T60 ^^

AndI'm pretty certain it did work on all of them. If not tresholds, then at least battery reset option.
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Re: X32 Battery Maximiser / Power Manager issue

#4 Post by TPFanatic » Thu May 09, 2024 12:11 pm

I’ll try to resuscitate one of my t42s with a win 7 and power manager and see if it can do the threshold and reset. If it can’t I’ll assume the cutoff is at the z60 which, pm915 aside, uses the 20v chargers, cs05 dock, edid, and sata by design, it’s for all intents and purposes the slowest lenovo thinkpad. T43+r52 are hamstrung with IDE converter and still use the legacy accessories, pentium m aside theyre nothing like the z60.

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Re: X32 Battery Maximiser / Power Manager issue

#5 Post by wujstefan » Thu May 09, 2024 1:35 pm

TPFanatic wrote:
Thu May 09, 2024 12:11 pm
I’ll try to resuscitate one of my t42s with a win 7 and power manager and see if it can do the threshold and reset. If it can’t I’ll assume the cutoff is at the z60 which, pm915 aside, uses the 20v chargers, cs05 dock, edid, and sata by design, it’s for all intents and purposes the slowest lenovo thinkpad. T43+r52 are hamstrung with IDE converter and still use the legacy accessories, pentium m aside theyre nothing like the z60.
You may be right here. I was glimpsing towards CPU used but design-wise it's... well, weird. I am maybe overrating this system due to robustness it provides. Still love it due to titanium cover, strong hinges, T6x compatible keyboard, but 16:10 REALLY poor display options, ATI X300 or X600, small standard battery capacities were... not especially optimal design, to say the least :D

I will take a glimpse at a bit older systems I have to check whether my memory makes me some tricks.
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Re: X32 Battery Maximiser / Power Manager issue

#6 Post by TPFanatic » Thu May 09, 2024 4:04 pm

well you were right to question me, you were right that the features should be there. my t42p running XP has Battery Maximiser (unsure of the version), it's not like power manager it seems rather deeply integrated into the OS, i recall the gauge runs off a rundll32.exe. but anyway clicking on the gauge should reveal an option for "Improve battery health" which brings up charging threshold and "recondition" options.

screenshots: https://postimg.cc/gallery/pRjBQdw

Lenovo PM device driver is 1.67.4.5 dated 12/17/2013

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Re: X32 Battery Maximiser / Power Manager issue

#7 Post by dr_st » Thu May 09, 2024 4:18 pm

T42=X32 in terms of the hardware platform, but X32 is an older IBM design, so the embedded controller may not have all the same features.

According to this, X32 does not support charge thresholds, but I've seen some reports where they work. I didn't see it on my X32 running Power Manager 3.25 on Win7, and I need to fix my XP installation before I can check there.
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Re: X32 Battery Maximiser / Power Manager issue

#8 Post by kfzhu1229 » Thu May 09, 2024 7:59 pm

I have always used the IBM Power manager that SHIPPED on my ThinkPad T43, I can confirm this:
- Works on T4x/R5x with the full set of functionalities, battery guage reset, etc.
- Works on T23/T30/A3x/R40 but no battery maintenance tab, even though the R40 Pentium M version has the same platform as T40 but different generations of power management.
- on A2x/T20-T22 this application does NOT even pick up the battery at all! The power management on those are older than that even on the T23 and too old to be supported - you can only use battery maximizer.
(In fact, you can notice that on T23/A30 and newer, if you plug in the charger with the battery installed and laptop powered off, the charger LED blinks quickly, and then ~10 seconds later the corresponding LED lights up/flashes, whereas on A2x/T22 if you plug in the charger the LED lights up almost immediately)
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Re: X32 Battery Maximiser / Power Manager issue

#9 Post by wujstefan » Fri May 10, 2024 1:27 am

It is generally a weird thing. I have checked my Z60t w/windows XP - it sports power manager 5.2 that has been downloaded couple of years back with lenovo System Update, along with lots of other stuff. It does support tresholds and battery reconditioning. I can't find the installer anywhere though, and system update does not seem to work anymore (no package available for your system for both Z60t and X32).

Did Lenovo cut off any driver availability at some point?
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Re: X32 Battery Maximiser / Power Manager issue

#10 Post by dr_st » Fri May 10, 2024 1:51 am

I tested my X32 (BIOS and EC at latest versions) with 2 different batteries - no thresholds and no gauge reset are available in either Power Manager 1.99j (XP) or 3.25 (Win7).

I saw a thread here a long time ago where it was claimed that this functionality may even depend on a specific battery.

Power Manager 5.20 for XP:
https://download.lenovo.com/ibmdl/pub/p ... u704ww.exe
Release notes and update history:
https://download.lenovo.com/ibmdl/pub/p ... u704ww.txt

Power Manager never officially supported T42, X32 and older. However, on T42, as was already mentioned, it clearly supports the full functionality.

I doubt the Battery Maximiser will offer anything on X32 that the Power Manager doesn't offer.
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Re: X32 Battery Maximiser / Power Manager issue

#11 Post by wujstefan » Fri May 10, 2024 3:36 am

Yup, I have tried couple of systems now and it really seems some systems simply do not support that. It may be that my worn clumsy mind makes me some memory tricks :)

I managed to set the system properly on m.2-to-IDE, boot it up with everything loaded and install all the drivers. System Update seem to make some tricks to the system though (power manager throws the towel, some DLL files are gone... magic from system update).

It did work on 1.99, but I can't find this version of the driver anymore - do you by any chance may have it somewhere somehow for future projects sake?

I have the feeling that "No more support from M$ = we will do everything to make your life unfiltered pain". And same for Lenovo.
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Re: X32 Battery Maximiser / Power Manager issue

#12 Post by kfzhu1229 » Fri May 10, 2024 12:39 pm

dr_st wrote:
Fri May 10, 2024 1:51 am
Power Manager never officially supported T42, X32 and older. However, on T42, as was already mentioned, it clearly supports the full functionality.

I doubt the Battery Maximiser will offer anything on X32 that the Power Manager doesn't offer.
I learnt to not listen for Lenovo for the official support of these - one of the bane of the T43 I was daily driving a long time ago was that the system would freeze with the battery attached when the fan ramps from mode 1 upwards, always at that exact same point, of which much later I realised the power management driver Lenovo provided was in fact incompatible with T4x while it said it is and I naively updated it at some point.
Similarly, the hotkey driver Lenovo's drivers page claims to work with T4x does not actually work with T4x - T4x uses a completely proprietary meter for volume (scale of 0-14) and brightness (scale of 0-7) while T6x does not do that. But after I found a vista version of hotkey driver that did work with T4x with the lenovo style animations, ironically it worked even on A2x/T2x as well if somehow you're using Windows Vista or 7 on it.
Also again I was experimenting all of these with the IBM power manager, i.e. right before it got rebranded into Lenovo one. I don't imagine it supporting any older thinkpads as the slightly newer Lenovo ones out there. It does work even in 32 bit of Windows 10 mind you.
The battery maximizer does not offer any more functionality than the power manager assuming the model is fully supported by the latter, in fact the latter is a much more user friendly interface with much more intuitive setups. But the maximizer works on older ThinkPads even to the 770 and 600 era (very limited functionality) and the IBM power manager of mine does NOT support Win9x/NT4 - it's Win2k and up.
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Re: X32 Battery Maximiser / Power Manager issue

#13 Post by dr_st » Fri May 10, 2024 1:41 pm

kfzhu1229 wrote:
Fri May 10, 2024 12:39 pm
I learnt to not listen for Lenovo for the official support of these - one of the bane of the T43 I was daily driving a long time ago was that the system would freeze with the battery attached when the fan ramps from mode 1 upwards, always at that exact same point, of which much later I realised the power management driver Lenovo provided was in fact incompatible with T4x while it said it is and I naively updated it at some point.
I've had my share of problems with new versions of Power Manager on my X32:
viewtopic.php?t=113931

That's why I still run the versions mentioned above in this thread. They seem stable for the X32's generation:
dr_st wrote:
Fri May 10, 2024 1:51 am
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Re: X32 Battery Maximiser / Power Manager issue

#14 Post by TPFanatic » Fri May 10, 2024 2:19 pm

kfzhu1229 wrote:
Fri May 10, 2024 12:39 pm
T4x uses a completely proprietary meter for volume (scale of 0-14) and brightness (scale of 0-7) while T6x does not do that.
this switchover happened between T60/R60/Z61/X60 and T61/R61/X61 models. Concurrently they switched to Conexant audio without Stereo Mix recording. The older models' Volume and Brightness buttons are hardware controls, while the newer models' are implemented in Software and tied into the OS Volume and Brightness levels, and initially were totally defunct at the BIOS-Setup level. I was pee'd when I discovered this oversight on my T500. Eventually they fixed the lack of control around Ivy Bridge or so generation.

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