Has anyone tried an SSD in the X41? *PICS*

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daniboun · #511 Post by **daniboun** » Fri Aug 01, 2008 12:39 pm

dstrauss wrote:Confused about Transcend 133x performance:

Still waiting for the Addonics adapter, but I've been testing the Transcend 32gb/133x data drive in the PC Card slot adapter, and with the exception of video files, it is every bit as peppy (if not faster) than the Hitachi HD in file transfers and operations. Small (under 8k) and large (3gb ACC) transfer quickly to the card, and open in the programs. The only disappointment is video files (iTunes music videos and movies) which stutter and stumble...but this is from the PC Card slot - notoriously low performing in its own right...more to come as we tie to the IDE port...

Hummm If I had to get a 32GB CF, I'd go for the Silicon Power 300x 32GB, it performs as well as the transcend 300x for a very abordable price (about 188 euros)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0251948765

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faberryman · #512 Post by **faberryman** » Fri Aug 01, 2008 2:52 pm

Forgive me if I missed it, but has anyone tried two 300x CF cards in a dual slot Addonics adapter in a RAID 0 configuration. If so, can you post benchmarks and a subjective evaluation of the speed. Thanks.

daniboun · #513 Post by **daniboun** » Mon Aug 04, 2008 2:51 am

faberryman wrote:Forgive me if I missed it, but has anyone tried two 300x CF cards in a dual slot Addonics adapter in a RAID 0 configuration. If so, can you post benchmarks and a subjective evaluation of the speed. Thanks.

OK let's check some bench with the Addonics AD4CFPRJ Quad Raid adapter :

http://images4.hiboox.com/images/3208/d ... 9d1af3.jpg

faberryman · #514 Post by **faberryman** » Mon Aug 04, 2008 12:40 pm

Thanks for the numbers. Do you also have numbers for an Hitachi 5400 RPM 2.5" HDD for comparison?

daniboun · #515 Post by **daniboun** » Mon Aug 04, 2008 3:33 pm

faberryman wrote:Thanks for the numbers. Do you also have numbers for an Hitachi 5400 RPM 2.5" HDD for comparison?

Sorry I do not...
But I tried to compare my Transcend CF 300x with my SATA 5400trs 160GO Samsung HD (USB 2) and Read speed is more or less the same, the Samsung HD performs better concerning the Write Speed.

dbregman · #516 Post by **dbregman** » Mon Aug 04, 2008 9:19 pm

Here are my benchmarks for the internal 1.8" 4800rpm drive:

http://www.bregmanphotos.com/Postings/X ... _Drive.jpg

dstrauss · #517 Post by **dstrauss** » Mon Aug 04, 2008 10:12 pm

daniboun wrote:
dstrauss wrote:Confused about Transcend 133x performance:

Still waiting for the Addonics adapter, but I've been testing the Transcend 32gb/133x data drive in the PC Card slot adapter, and with the exception of video files, it is every bit as peppy (if not faster) than the Hitachi HD in file transfers and operations. Small (under 8k) and large (3gb ACC) transfer quickly to the card, and open in the programs. The only disappointment is video files (iTunes music videos and movies) which stutter and stumble...but this is from the PC Card slot - notoriously low performing in its own right...more to come as we tie to the IDE port...
Hummm If I had to get a 32GB CF, I'd go for the Silicon Power 300x 32GB, it performs as well as the transcend 300x for a very abordable price (about 188 euros)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0251948765

EVERYONE - this is an excellent suggestion. I am waiting for mine now, because for grins, I installed the Thinkpad x40 OS on the 133x Transcend and it worked, but I'd rather poke my eyes out with a sharp stick then use it for the OS - slow doesn't even describe it. It is EXCRUCIATING!!!!!!!!!!

daniboun · #518 Post by **daniboun** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 5:56 am

dstrauss wrote:
daniboun wrote: Hummm If I had to get a 32GB CF, I'd go for the Silicon Power 300x 32GB, it performs as well as the transcend 300x for a very abordable price (about 188 euros)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0251948765
EVERYONE - this is an excellent suggestion. I am waiting for mine now, because for grins, I installed the Thinkpad x40 OS on the 133x Transcend and it worked, but I'd rather poke my eyes out with a sharp stick then use it for the OS - slow doesn't even describe it. It is EXCRUCIATING!!!!!!!!!!

LOL as far as I know it makes no sense to put a 133X CF into the IBM X40/41... it's slow to the death

You'd better go for (a least) a 266X CompactFlash if you want to get any advantage.

dstrauss · #519 Post by **dstrauss** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 8:28 am

daniboun wrote:LOL as far as I know it makes no sense to put a 133X CF into the IBM X40/41... it's slow to the death
You'd better go for (a least) a 266X CompactFlash if you want to get any advantage.

You are so right. On a subjective basis does the Transcend 16gb 300x "feel" as fast or faster than the original HD?

daniboun · #520 Post by **daniboun** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 9:09 am

dstrauss wrote:
daniboun wrote:LOL as far as I know it makes no sense to put a 133X CF into the IBM X40/41... it's slow to the death
You'd better go for (a least) a 266X CompactFlash if you want to get any advantage.
You are so right. On a subjective basis does the Transcend 16gb 300x "feel" as fast or faster than the original HD?

The Transcend 300x CF is better from far than the Hitachi 1.8 HD : OS is smoother, faster and more responsive. This all has already been said on this forum

weepy · #521 Post by **weepy** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 9:16 am

It feels much better. Boot and application loading benefit most, installing, copying (both to and from) are lot faster. Day and night. The notebook is now all I expect from it. Highly recommended

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Kappa7 · #522 Post by **Kappa7** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 4:56 am

Hi,
I've bought the Transcend 300x 4GB. It run very fast even in write!
I use them in a small embedded pc(http://www.pcengines.ch/alix1c.htm) with a reduced version of winxp. With the transcend 300x i didn't note speed differences when i switch on the EWF, but with the others cf (transcend 133x, apacer 133x) the differences was hudge. The transcend 133x with EWF active is fast as the 300x.
Another trick to speed up the boot time is the minlogon, but you loose the multiple users accounts and some other things.
I've tried the transcend 300x in udma 4 and in udma 5 (you have to use 3.3V for udma5) but there is no difference: the speed limit of the cf (about 46MB/s) it's not enough to saturate the udma 4 bandwidth(66MB/s).

urza_insane · #523 Post by **urza_insane** » Fri Aug 08, 2008 5:34 pm

urza_insane wrote:Hey all, I have the Addonics Dual Adapter and two Silicon Power Compact Flash Cards. It took a little while, but I was able to install windows and can now use both cards - but I have a problem.

When I turn on my computer I get a "Fixed Disk Error 1" unless I do a diagnostic boot. This takes a long time compared to quick boot, defeating some of the reasons to have Compact Flash.

Has anybody found a way around the "Fixed Disk Error" message aside from using diagnostic boot?

I'm using an x40.

Just to follow up in case anybody else was having this issue, I was able to resolve the problem by re-installing windows. It appears the compact flash card wasn't running at full speed - things are working now.

dstrauss · #524 Post by **dstrauss** » Fri Aug 08, 2008 6:23 pm

Thanks for all the help guys, but I've decided to take a different tack. I found an x60s on eBay, and for a total of $800 I could get it, and pump it with a 320gb/7200rpm HD and 4gb (3gb usable) memory, and live with its "modest" 8 hr battery. Yes, I realize I'm chickening out, but this should get the job done until SATA SSD's in 256gb show up.

AvalonXIII · #525 Post by **AvalonXIII** » Sat Aug 09, 2008 7:24 pm

Heads up guys, there's a seller on ebay selling the new type of HDD for X40 and X41:
http://cgi.ebay.com/IBM-X41-60G-Solid-S ... s=72%3A392
I'm not the seller, just want to help someone out there

kunfuchopsticks · #526 Post by **kunfuchopsticks** » Sat Aug 09, 2008 11:16 pm

AvalonXIII wrote:Heads up guys, there's a seller on ebay selling the new type of HDD for X40 and X41:
http://cgi.ebay.com/IBM-X41-60G-Solid-S ... s=72%3A392
I'm not the seller, just want to help someone out there

It says it's a 60GB SOLID STATE hard drive...? Pretty sure it's not SSD, how can SSD even be in 60GB?

gongo2k1 · #527 Post by **gongo2k1** » Sat Aug 09, 2008 11:20 pm

looks like one of the new style replacement hdds.

AvalonXIII · #528 Post by **AvalonXIII** » Sat Aug 09, 2008 11:58 pm

kunfuchopsticks wrote:
AvalonXIII wrote:Heads up guys, there's a seller on ebay selling the new type of HDD for X40 and X41:
http://cgi.ebay.com/IBM-X41-60G-Solid-S ... s=72%3A392
I'm not the seller, just want to help someone out there
It says it's a 60GB SOLID STATE hard drive...? Pretty sure it's not SSD, how can SSD even be in 60GB?

It's definitely not a SSD. You should email the seller just to make sure. However, if it's an SSD, the capacity should be 64GB.

p5ycho · #529 Post by **p5ycho** » Sun Aug 10, 2008 8:08 am

This is either a replacement ZIF type hitachi 60GB drive with a converter to 44pin IDE, or the converter with a different ZIF drive inside (like the sandisk UATA5000 i have, posted earlier in this thread)
That converter is not that hard to modify if you want to fit a ZIF SSD in your X40/41.

btw i'm thinking of selling my sandisk 32GB uata 5000. I'll probably upgrade the X41 itself this time (I need some more oomph for my fpga programming work). so i'll be selling the X41 with the 40GB HD it came with, and the sandisk drive separately.

AvalonXIII · #530 Post by **AvalonXIII** » Sun Aug 10, 2008 2:44 pm

p5ycho wrote:This is either a replacement ZIF type hitachi 60GB drive with a converter to 44pin IDE, or the converter with a different ZIF drive inside (like the sandisk UATA5000 i have, posted earlier in this thread)
That converter is not that hard to modify if you want to fit a ZIF SSD in your X40/41.

btw i'm thinking of selling my sandisk 32GB uata 5000. I'll probably upgrade the X41 itself this time (I need some more oomph for my fpga programming work). so i'll be selling the X41 with the 40GB HD it came with, and the sandisk drive separately.

I would advise that you keep the sandisk SSD. The reason is that most of the ultraportable notebook on the market uses the sandisk SSD that you have. Most notable examples is the Sony Vaio TZ, the HP 2510p/2710p, and the Dell D420. Also, if you are able to buy a ZIF to SATA converter (I was lucky enough to got one from Dell) then you got yourself a 2.5" SSD. Most of my SSD's come and go, but I always keep the 1.8" sandisk SSD because I can use it in any laptop I want.

p5ycho · #531 Post by **p5ycho** » Mon Aug 11, 2008 2:05 am

I also have one of those converters, thanks to Dell. I've put the SSD up for sale and if i can't get the right price for it i'll keep it. I'm looking for an X60 with a L7400 CPU to replace my X41.

AvalonXIII · #532 Post by **AvalonXIII** » Mon Aug 11, 2008 3:11 am

p5ycho wrote:I also have one of those converters, thanks to Dell. I've put the SSD up for sale and if i can't get the right price for it i'll keep it. I'm looking for an X60 with a L7400 CPU to replace my X41.

I see, good luck with your sale

Also, I don't recall any X60 with low voltage processor. Are you sure you don't mean X60s?

p5ycho · #533 Post by **p5ycho** » Mon Aug 11, 2008 3:21 am

I should have noted that i am looking for a tablet version, sorry.

edit 12 aug.:
The SSD is sold. For 200 euros. That's exactly how much i spent on it a few months ago. Not bad if you consider the recent developments and the price drops.
Ordered an X60 (6363-WDK).

Noticed that mtron is shipping a 32GB 1,8" AT ZIF SSD, 100MB/s read and 100MB/s write. It's an SLC drive, should make your X4x unbelievably fast if the SATA bridge can keep up with it.
Current price in the Netherlands: about 255 euros.

istel · #534 Post by **istel** » Thu Aug 14, 2008 1:34 am

Hi all, I know this is not the correct forum for my post but the same post on the legacy forum is not generating any responses hence the post here...

I've just recently acquired a Sandisk Extreme IV 8GB and the addonics dual cf-ide adapter for my 240x PIII 500.

However, after ghosting the image of my current 20GB hitachi hdd and then cloning it into the CF card using the Sandisk CF Card.

For some reasons, it's dog slow and I mean like real slow, it takes a few minutes for the start menu to appear after clicking on start. I tried to transfer a 650mb file (i.e. the winxp iso) between partitions on the same card and windows estimates it at 160mins...

I've checked to see if my primary IDE bus is set to DMA and it does not appear to be operating under PIO mode...

Any ideas on what might be the reason?

Thanks a lot in advance.

Cheers

Bruno · #535 Post by **Bruno** » Fri Aug 15, 2008 11:31 am

Hello I bought Transcent 300x 16GB CF and the "platform" which is advertised on page 15, of this forum.

I need help, i cant make it run... after copying the files from instalations cd it reboots and than it sais "cant read from the disc".

Did you had the same problem?

Thank you very much

weepy · #536 Post by **weepy** » Fri Aug 15, 2008 1:11 pm

I had no such error. What do you mean by copying installation disks? They are bootable... They are meant to be booted, not to be copied. Please specify what your hw is, most people won't scroll back and dig through page of posts to find out and please give exact scenario.

tim S · #537 Post by **tim S** » Sat Aug 16, 2008 10:11 am

My experience with an SSD CF went like this.
Since I only own an upgrade Windows XP, I copied my Windows 98 full version CD as well as Windows XP W/SP2 CD onto an 8 Meg San Disk Extreme III.
I put the Addonics single adapter (very tricky) with the CF card into my X40.
Using a Windows 98 floppy disk I was able to install Widows 98 onto the card. I got a few disk errors with scandisk but eventually I got it on there!
Many of the X40 items wouldn’t load but I was able to find Win 98 drivers on the Internet for the important ones.
Finally I upgraded to XP from the copy on the drive. It took about an hour but eventually everything went in and there were no exclamation marks on the Device Driver screen.
The only annoyance was the Windows page-file which Windows had to create on every boot.
I thought the page file error had to do with the Windows 98 install before XP/SP2. So I did a format C: and started over.
Now I really ran into difficulties! No matter what I tried I couldn’t get any version of Windows to load from the card, or onto the card! Bad card and I/O errors popped up all over the place! I figured I had blown the Addonics adapter, or somehow messed up the CF card.
Last night I tried an old version of XP, without SP2, and it started to load right up from the CD. Go figure!
This time though there were plenty of exclamation points in Device Manager. I loaded the required drivers, then put SP2 on top of that and I’m back in the saddle again.
This second attempt doesn’t ‘feel’ quite as robust as my original install over Windows 98. There is still no page-file but ‘write’ speeds from the USB 2.0 are really slow, which wasn’t the case before.
Now that I know the Addonics adapter is good I’ll try other install options until I get it right.

Tim S

Bruno · #538 Post by **Bruno** » Sun Aug 17, 2008 12:55 pm

weepy wrote:I had no such error. What do you mean by copying installation disks? They are bootable... They are meant to be booted, not to be copied. Please specify what your hw is, most people won't scroll back and dig through page of posts to find out and please give exact scenario.

Hi, so i made it work by changing the bios setting as writen before. My mistake, before i read it not good enough.
Anyway, thank you guys! Except the stupid 2010 error is all running perfect.

weepy · #539 Post by **weepy** » Sun Aug 17, 2008 1:09 pm

good.. i have 2010 too, i just did not recognize it from your description

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Bruno · #540 Post by **Bruno** » Tue Aug 19, 2008 12:30 pm

Hi and hello again,

well, i instaled the windows from IBM (from the 6. CD's) and i was surprised... its not much faster, acctualy it seems to me that its the same

I dont know what i made wrong. And another thing, after instaling the IBM recovery windows i lost approx. 6 GB.
I think that the system copied, all instalation files on my Transcend 300x "disc" and instaled it after from that. Is there any solution how to skip this procedure, or how to spend less space by instaling windows (from IBM CD's)

Thank you

Has anyone tried an SSD in the X41? PICS

Disc failture

San Disk Extreme III

hmm...

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