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Not sure if I should just post this into the Windows 10 subforum but I'll try here first.

Anyone have Windows 10 running on their X6x Thinkpad?

I did the upgrade on my X61s and 95% of things are working except for a few things:

1) trackpoint middle button scrolling doesn't work in metro apps.

2) mute button doesn't work

I'm more mainly concerned about the trackpoint scrolling (soooo annoying to have to use the scroll bar) and I've tried modifying the tp4table.dat using various settings but to no effect.

Anyone here run into similar problems?

TIA!

I installed Windows 10 on my X61s, tried it for a week, and went back to Windows 7 because I hated Windows 10. My mute button worked fine but I never tried scrolling with the middle button. I was also experiencing periodic crashing and automatic restarts.

Once I get around to putting a new LCD in my X61 I'll upgrade it to 10 and let you know how it is.

JPOESQ wrote:My mute button worked fine

I'm just silly. it works for me too.. I just was expecting a mute icon to pop up with the volume bar.

So really it's just finding proper trackpoint drivers working on windows 10...

Im running it on my x61 tablet. Mute doesn't work yet, but the windows 7 x64 drivers worked to get trackpoint working properly.

truk wrote:Im running it on my x61 tablet. Mute doesn't work yet, but the windows 7 x64 drivers worked to get trackpoint working properly.

You have middle button scrolling working in the start menu and Edge browser? How?

Otherwise W10 works very well on X61. Better battery life than Windows 7 too.

wileE wrote: You have middle button scrolling working in the start menu and Edge browser? How?

Otherwise W10 works very well on X61. Better battery life than Windows 7 too.

I didn't notice until you said something, but it does NOT work in the start menu. It works great on the edge browser. It appears to have trouble with Metro apps. I installed the trackpoint driver from Lenovo for Windows 7 x64,then configured it from the mouse menu on the control panel. I'm gonna try the x201 tablet ultranav drivers for win8 tonight to see what does.

The Ultranav driver will not work on the X61 series because it expects the Synaptics touchpad to be present.

wileE wrote:You have middle button scrolling working in the start menu and Edge browser? How?

In WinXP x64 this is default settings for TrackPoint driver. In menu Start not working but on Firefox and windows with scroll bar working When you double click on the button should show this window:
and after click Yes:

I have W10 on a spare X61s and I've been reporting the center button scroll issue on the MS forum since day one. I don't think they care.

It is the primary reason I have not upgraded to Win10 on my X61s. An important secondary reason is that Win10 has a tendency to refuse to release removable drives when you try to eject them. And it means it too... I have had drives flagged as dirty if I removed them after the safe eject failed. Ditto for non-removable drives that were removed after a shutdown..... shutdown is really a form of hibernate and apparently if a drive vanishes during hibernation the system may not have finished with it. The only way around it that I have found if safe eject fails is to reboot and THEN attempt to eject.

Paul

You could simply turn off the W10 quickstart in the energy options. Only one checkmark to untick. It's useless in old hardware anyway.

Oh, good info..... I don't want to corrupt any removable drives..

I have had Win 10 on my X61s for a while now. Didn't notice the scroll problem in start menu until it was mentioned here but sure enough it works with the mouse but not the center button.

Have put 4 meg of ram and a 120SSD in it with Great increase in performance. (i did it in Win7). Was going to scrap the old boy but now I think I will upgrade the WiFi card, add bluetooth and wait a year or two. I want to see where this Win10 goes. I stuck the old Win7 HHD in a box so I could just swap out the drives if I wanted the Win7 back.

The only real problem with the Win10 is it completely hangs up the computer sometimes while the hard drive light is full on with no flicker. With the SSD the drive being way faster than it would have been with the old HDD, I can only imagine the wait I would have if it were the original HDD. Pain in the neck that.

truk wrote:Im running it on my x61 tablet. Mute doesn't work yet, but the windows 7 x64 drivers worked to get trackpoint working properly.

What wi-fi card do you have on your x61 tablet? The 4965AGN Wireless Card has issue on Win10 x64. It drops connection for me and I heard some has BSOD. I'm thinking replace it with a newer card otherwise I'll have to downgrade to Win7.

Do you know of a good replacement card? I would like to have dual band.

Do anyone has a list which thinkpad software still work with Win10?
The latest power manager 6 get blocked by Win10 but 3.05 doesn't.

Sorry, my X61T went down for a month when I went to drop in the LED backlight and it had a section of dead LEDs. Had to order a new strip from china, and stare at my poor thinkpad every day with a nice modded inverter and no good way to use it. Good news is that I'm back up with a LED backlight and an SSD.

snakebite3 wrote:What wi-fi card do you have on your x61 tablet? The 4965AGN Wireless Card has issue on Win10 x64. It drops connection for me and I heard some has BSOD. I'm thinking replace it with a newer card otherwise I'll have to downgrade to Win7.

Do you know of a good replacement card? I would like to have dual band.

Do anyone has a list which thinkpad software still work with Win10?
The latest power manager 6 get blocked by Win10 but 3.05 doesn't.

I have the 4965AGN and it's been working fine. I've never hit a bsod, but I think I might have had to reinstall the drivers to get the wifi not to drop on my hdd when I first installed 10. No problems like that since I put it on my ssd yesterday though. I'm back to looking for a solution to the Metro no-scroll problem again too.

Interesting that information about BSODs with the 4965AGN. That is what is in my W10 X61s and so far it has worked great. I have another X61S (still on W7) that is my daily driver, but I do use the W10 machine and so far no network issues other than an occasional refusal to connect after sleep.

If there was a solution for the lack of center button scroll, I could stomach W10 on it, especially with Classic Shell. Without center button scroll, it is a no-go for me.

Looks like we have been abandoned by Lenovo AND Microsoft. Too bad.

Paul

I've just installed Windows 10 on my X61s. Middle scrolling button doesn't work, that's true. But the video seems way better. With the new Google maps, I had given up on Streetview. I could never get Google Earth to work reliably, either. But now both work really well. The installation was also pretty painless.

Oh and I am also using the stock 4965 wireless card, too, with no apparent issues.

Just downloaded Windows 10 onto my X61. Runs fine. Everything works (although I don't know what the scroll function is so can't confirm that it works).

Installed http://8gadgetpack.net/ for the desktop gadgets.

I think I will try Windows 10 on my X61T because I was getting BSOD's on it with W7.

Ran like [censored] for me. Everything i tried worked though. I was just put of by the insanely laggy start menu and the general sluggishness.

Are you sure it wasn't doing housekeeping? Things can get a bit laggy until that ends, and it does a lot of housekeeping at first. But it will settle down eventually and on my system, it idles at 1-2% CPU just like Windows 7 did. I have no issues with responsiveness (although I do have an SSD installed). Seems as good or better than Windows 7.

Not sure if it makes a difference to performance and responsiveness, but I dislike the Windows 10 start menu so I installed Classic Shell. Like it so much that I even use it on Windows 7.... I think it is better organized and much more configurable. With a custom start button, Classic Shell makes Windows 10 look and act just like Windows 7.

Paul

Recently I have installed Windows 10 Pro upgrade on my X61 T7500.
I did an upgrade but I used my own ISO image because at the moment I am on a limited metered connection.
At the moment I am still just using a 160 gig Sata spinning drive but intend to install on an SSD later. Did the upgrade so I could digitally sign the mobo to Windows 10.
Being on the metered connection I haven't installed any updates and I haven't done the power manager fix. Trackpoint scrolling is semi functional and Power Manager needs attention because I can't adjust battery threshold charging although it is working.
Trackpoint scrolling is working in Chrome but not so much in the Windows 10 menus which doesn't really bother me.
A driver for the GMA 3100 has been installed and considering the age of the GPU it is working great.
Performance is great in Windows 10 and even though I am not on an SSD it is zippy.
Also it is running cooler on Windows 10 and even in warm ambient conditions and watching media the CPU fan doesn't kick in with temps around 50 -54 degrees.
Besides an SSD I have ordered a 5300 WIFI card from Ebay. I would recommend Windows 10 on the X61 especially as a free upgrade.

DaKKS wrote:Ran like *****Expletives removed by Moderator***** for me. Everything i tried worked though. I was just put of by the insanely laggy start menu and the general sluggishness.

And another data point......

Just for grins, I let my old X41 (recently upgraded to Windows 7) upgrade to Windows 10. The upgrade went 100% smoothly. I am about two hours post-upgrade and the HD is still churning away and the CPU is hovering at about 75% (I think it is doing lots of post install housekeeping) but even so it is surprisingly responsive for an 11 year old single core 1.5GHz machine with 1.5GB of RAM. I'm typing this on it. Booting or opening a program like Firefox takes noticeably longer than on my dual core SSD X61s, but when I examine task manager, the X41's very old and slow HD is clearly the bottleneck. I'm waiting to see if superfetch whittles that down a bit after several more boots.

Say what you will about Windows 10 (and believe me, I have plenty to say that is not complimentary), but it does pretty dang well on low spec machines.

Paul

You could always put an SSD in your X41, see http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=119473

Yeah, I saw those on Ebay. While I have enjoyed working with the old X41, I don't think it is worth any further investment. It was just an experiment that went far better than I thought it would on such an old low spec machine.

Aesthetics aside, I have found that Windows 10 runs fine on any hardware that can even vaguely support it. I have not experienced any issues with speed or responsiveness of applications or the start menu on anything I tried it on, from my X41 through my Dell Venue 8 Pro through two X61s to a couple desktops.

On the X41, I reverted to Windows 7 because without a real display adapter driver, the machine would not sleep.

All that said, I have yet to see a real advantage to running Windows 10. I kept it on two desktops and one of my X61s, but only because (with the addition of Classic Shell), it was no worse than Windows 7. The other X61s got reverted to Windows 7 because it suddenly developed an issue where it would not always reconnect to WiFi (Intel 6300 card) after sleep. Not sure if that is a driver issue or a Windows issue, but it NEVER happens on Windows 7. On balance, my wife's Dell laptop on Windows 7 does it a lot and I see many threads on the subject on the 'net.

Paul

On X61:

After installation of W10, Winaero WEI tool reports 3.1, which is the same rating previously provided by W7. Display is the limiting factor.

There are now two display bars showing display brightness, one horizontal in the typical location on the bottom of the display, and a new vertical one in the upper left of the display.

Same two displays for sound volume, up, down and mute.

Light on, light off works and displays as normal.

On X61T:

Pen works.

Haven't really used the X61T much yet to check other functions.


Also, on W10, the Startup tab in Task Manager (right click on the square window start button in the lower of the display for some familiar goodies) is very functional, easily enabling or disabling "apps" from starting and/or clicking go online to easily search for what the process is/does.

Installed Windows 10 64-bit on a new SSD (Plextor M6 Pro) to my x61s - I've never seen a computer running so fast. Only problem is a wi-fi card, it caused BSOD netwlv64.sys every 10 minutes but a registry tweak found in the Internet helped. I plan to change the card anyway, Middleton BIOS lets me.

Lost several days previously trying a different SSD (a cheaper one, Plextor M7VC). It was awful (minutes to respond to a click) but seems like this SSD was a wrong one, a newer budget Marvell controller seems not compatible with ICH8M SATA controller of x61s (or with Windows 10 - will try to check but not relevant to this topic).

So I've installed Win 10 on my spare X61T, and while middle-click scrolling works due to the new drivers, I want to enable middle-click New Tab in Firefox as well. Is there a way to do that?

You have to change something in the registry for that. The setting is there, just Lenovo hid it. See this: https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Windows-10 ... 1678#M1079

TPFanatic,
I've tried it, and all it does is set the scroll mode Smooth Scrolling, which doesn't work on Win 10's new Start Menu (and possibly the rest of the so-called "Metro" Apps).

In any case, I set it back to the default behavior, and simply used TPMiddle 0.6, though apparently there's a more recent version 0.7 floating around.

I just installed Windows 10 pro in one of my X61s frankenpads, and it works like a champ. (256GB samsung m4, 1050x1400 SXGA LCD). I was really surprised.

If the OP needs another data point, middle-button scrolling works in Chrome, but not in the start memo.

If anyone is interested in continuing to invest effort in this platform (X61s's have been my daily drivers since 2008), I'm ready to get rid of one of my frankenpads. With help from this forum I've done the sxga screen conversion on two X61s (1.8ghz L7700), and the second one now has some problem displaying whites. (I no longer have the time to open these up (kids, etc))

I don't want to highjack the thread, so please head over to here:
http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.ph ... 94#p785394
(since there are so few people still 'rocking' these things, I thought I'd mention it here.

Again, please no questions or follow-up here. I don't want to be "that guy" re-directing the thread.

PS On topic, let me know if anyone has bothered to upgrade to 8GB of RAM with Win 10 64-bit on the X61S. I had kept at 4GB b/c it didn't matter with XP 32.