X62 problems, quirks, and fixes

Old(er) Thinkpads with New(er) Intestines: X62 / T50 / T70 / etc.
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Re: X62 problems, quirks, and fixes

#121 Post by mifritscher » Thu May 18, 2017 1:02 am

Ah, thanks, I hoped that somewho else tries it ;-) OK, it seems to be indeed a memtest86+ problem then - see also the strange frequency and CL-values. They seem to be random, and after a short Windows boot there are zero.

On one of the laptops I got one bit flip with 4x memtester 1536M, but during a nigh-tlong test no further problems.

P.S. it seems that http://thinkpad-forum.de is dead?

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Re: X62 problems, quirks, and fixes

#122 Post by mdancer » Wed Jun 07, 2017 6:35 pm

For people hunting PC7 in linux. There is an alternative driver for realtek ethernet card which is way less buggy then one from realtek https://github.com/KastB/r8169.

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Re: X62 problems, quirks, and fixes

#123 Post by harryK » Thu Jun 29, 2017 1:27 pm

mdancer wrote:
Wed Jun 07, 2017 6:35 pm
For people hunting PC7 in linux. There is an alternative driver for realtek ethernet card which is way less buggy then one from realtek https://github.com/KastB/r8169.
Works great, thanks very much, even though r8168 also worked all right for me.
My problem is the bloody sd card driver. With the modified Realtek driver (rts5227) lspci reports this stuff, and PC7 is lost.

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01:00.0 Unassigned class [ff00]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTS5227 PCI Express Card Reader (rev ff) (prog-if ff)
	!!! Unknown header type 7f
	Kernel driver in use: rts5227
	Kernel modules: rts5227
However if I reboot the device is completely gone, no module is loaded, lspci doesn't show signs of it ever being there and PC7 is back. :-/

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Re: X62 problems, quirks, and fixes

#124 Post by harryK » Sun Jul 02, 2017 4:39 am

For those interested, X62 fourth batch motherboards don't need the ALSA hack thing any more. Sound works oob now with IntelHDA + realtek codec.

The SD card is still blocking PC7 though and behaving weirdly with the Realtek driver (for me). I would appreciate if someone using the patched Realtek driver (successfully) could post the output of

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systool -m rts5227 -v
Thank you!

Bye.

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Re: X62 problems, quirks, and fixes

#125 Post by mrj47 » Mon Jul 17, 2017 4:15 am

Does the fn+brightness keys generate acpi events for anyone on Linux? Running xev doesn't detect the key. It's still adjustable but its kind of annoying that Linux won't know the brightness level has changed when pressing the brightness function keys.

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Also, the fans are spinning quite loud while the temps are only 33c. Perhaps I am on the wrong ec?
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Re: X62 problems, quirks, and fixes

#126 Post by harryK » Fri Jul 21, 2017 12:26 pm

dmdsoftware wrote:
Sat Jan 21, 2017 7:54 am

- The speaker in both my X machines is a single speaker with a 2 pin connector. The X62 motherboard only accepts a 4 pin connector. Checking online, this appears to accept a two speaker configuration like the T420. I have access to a T420, so I will be trying the speaker.
I was wondering whether you then tried the T420 speaker, or you found out which speaker fits the casing and connector

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Re: X62 problems, quirks, and fixes

#127 Post by fatpolomanjr » Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:54 am

Has anyone updated to the Windows 10 Creator Update? I can't get my ultranav drivers installed anymore. Every time I run DPInst.exe it says the drivers are installed but nothing shows up in Device Manager, so I'm unable to install the X220 ultranav drivers manually.

e: Figured it out. I just followed an old post of mine (see below) and paid closer attention to what wile linked to in the german thinkpad forums. I was looking for a "Trackpoing PS/2" driver in Device Manager, but I had manually update drivers on the "Default Microsoft Mouse" driver, or whatever it's called.

viewtopic.php?t=117955&start=180#p789970
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Re: X62 problems, quirks, and fixes

#128 Post by TPFanatic » Tue Aug 29, 2017 7:20 pm

harryK wrote:
Fri Jul 21, 2017 12:26 pm
dmdsoftware wrote:
Sat Jan 21, 2017 7:54 am

- The speaker in both my X machines is a single speaker with a 2 pin connector. The X62 motherboard only accepts a 4 pin connector. Checking online, this appears to accept a two speaker configuration like the T420. I have access to a T420, so I will be trying the speaker.
I was wondering whether you then tried the T420 speaker, or you found out which speaker fits the casing and connector
I plugged R50p speakers into T410 and they worked. It's a fairly standard port, X201 speakers or perhaps something out of a good smartphone may fit better.
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Re: X62 problems, quirks, and fixes

#129 Post by dmdsoftware » Tue Aug 29, 2017 8:28 pm

Here is also a pro tp.

Since you wont' be needing the X60/1 media slice dock anymore, you can open it up and use the stereo speakers in it (4 pin, 2 speakers).
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Re: X62 problems, quirks, and fixes

#130 Post by harryK » Wed Aug 30, 2017 5:15 pm

dmdsoftware wrote:
Tue Aug 29, 2017 8:28 pm
Here is also a pro tp.

Since you wont' be needing the X60/1 media slice dock anymore, you can open it up and use the stereo speakers in it (4 pin, 2 speakers).
Cool! Is that a drop in or are there modifications to be made?

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Re: X62 problems, quirks, and fixes

#131 Post by dmdsoftware » Wed Aug 30, 2017 5:25 pm

harryK wrote:
Wed Aug 30, 2017 5:15 pm
dmdsoftware wrote:
Tue Aug 29, 2017 8:28 pm
Here is also a pro tp.

Since you wont' be needing the X60/1 media slice dock anymore, you can open it up and use the stereo speakers in it (4 pin, 2 speakers).
Cool! Is that a drop in or are there modifications to be made?
Drop in but you might want to attach some adhesive on the speakers to hold them down. The two speakers are together in a black piece of plastic. I stuck it in the space between the motherboard and audio board.
X62 & X62s & X62T SXGA+ i7 5600u 8-16GB
Helix i7
Carbon X1 i5 UHD
W520 4x-i7
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"Think" Ultrabook i7
LegoThinkpad 11"

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X131e AMD
X60/X60s, X61/X61s/X61T, T61, T420, X30

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Crazy 51nb method to reduce palmrest heat

#132 Post by harryK » Thu Aug 31, 2017 3:21 pm


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Re: Crazy 51nb method to reduce palmrest heat

#133 Post by NonesensE » Thu Aug 31, 2017 3:40 pm

This may reduce palmrest heat, but the processor runs hotter than otherwise possible. Thus, you earn more noise. I recommend to put the SSD into the 2.5" bay (if you have an mSATA SSD use an adapter) as the mSATA slot is pretty much on the back side of the CPU. This way, the SSD and the CPU stay cooler. Then make shure your CPU reaches "Package C7" state and undervolt it and noise is mostly gone. As well is most of the heat. And this is even though I have put my board into an X60s case, so I have a smaller fan than most people (I modified the non-s fan assembly for it though, so I have the bigger heat pipes). My CPU idles around 40°C (core/package) and 43°C (thermal zone sensors).
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Re: Crazy 51nb method to reduce palmrest heat

#134 Post by harryK » Thu Aug 31, 2017 5:13 pm

NonesensE wrote:
Thu Aug 31, 2017 3:40 pm
I have put my board into an X60s case, so I have a smaller fan than most people (I modified the non-s fan assembly for it though, so I have the bigger heat pipes). My CPU idles around 40°C (core/package) and 43°C (thermal zone sensors).
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I also put mine in an -s case and I am getting the exact same numbers in Linux, only with the small heat pipes and without undervolting, which is not possible in Linux.
However, the temperatures spike under load and the processor is throttled, which didn't happen with the big non-s fan. I am tempted to put the old thermal compound back. Guess your solution (modified non-s heatsink) is the proverbial sweet spot.

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Re: Crazy 51nb method to reduce palmrest heat

#135 Post by jaspen-meyer » Thu Aug 31, 2017 5:36 pm

With an x60s case, and the fan disconnected:

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acpitz-virtual-0
Adapter: Virtual device
temp1:        +50.0°C  (crit = +105.0°C)
temp2:        +50.0°C  (crit = +105.0°C)

coretemp-isa-0000
Adapter: ISA adapter
Physical id 0:  +49.0°C  (high = +105.0°C, crit = +105.0°C)
Core 0:         +48.0°C  (high = +105.0°C, crit = +105.0°C)
Core 1:         +49.0°C  (high = +105.0°C, crit = +105.0°C)
I unplugged the fan.
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Re: Crazy 51nb method to reduce palmrest heat

#136 Post by NonesensE » Fri Sep 01, 2017 12:32 am

harryK wrote:
Thu Aug 31, 2017 5:13 pm
NonesensE wrote:
Thu Aug 31, 2017 3:40 pm
I have put my board into an X60s case, so I have a smaller fan than most people (I modified the non-s fan assembly for it though, so I have the bigger heat pipes). My CPU idles around 40°C (core/package) and 43°C (thermal zone sensors).
Image

I also put mine in an -s case and I am getting the exact same numbers in Linux, only with the small heat pipes and without undervolting, which is not possible in Linux.
However, the temperatures spike under load and the processor is throttled, which didn't happen with the big non-s fan. I am tempted to put the old thermal compound back. Guess your solution (modified non-s heatsink) is the proverbial sweet spot.
Oh. Didn't think the small heatpipe was that bad. I believe, the tablet guys on the German forum got better results. Is the fan seated correctly? Is the thermal paste applied correctly?
Under load (prime95), my processor goes up to approx. 80°C, I get no throttling at all.
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