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USB3 via WWAN slot of X61s

#1 Post by dandreye » Sun Mar 25, 2018 6:01 am

Hi All,

Has anyone tried this kind of adapter in the WWAN slot of X61s?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/112842224267

If so what is the actual max speed like?


Thanks in advance!
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Re: USB3 via WWAN slot of X61s

#2 Post by axur-delmeria » Sun Mar 25, 2018 6:48 am

Probably not gonna work.
I don't see any USB 3.0 host controller chip, so it's probably just tapping into USB 3.0 signals already in the mini PCIe slot.

But the X61 series never had USB 3.0 to begin with. In fact, I haven't heard of any laptop/desktop board with USB 3.0 signals on the mini-PCIe connector-- a quick google search yields only this document from PCI-SIG, which has "Request" printed on the header of each page.
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Re: USB3 via WWAN slot of X61s

#3 Post by jdrou » Sun Mar 25, 2018 7:16 am

Note that dealextreme carries what appears to be the same card but only refers to USB 2.0 :
http://www.dx.com/p/mpcie1u-n01-mini-pc ... reQXWWPXFJ
Also on Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/MonkeyJack-Adapt ... B074QKBRP7
which specifically says "Not compatible with USB3.0"
AliExpress calls it USB 3.0 (probably just because of the blue color) but also has the note:
"Please note: The USB 3.0 connector on the adapter card actually works as the USB 2.0 signal "
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Re: USB3 via WWAN slot of X61s

#4 Post by dandreye » Sun Mar 25, 2018 7:54 am

Makes sense ) The lack of any visible chip on it did cross my mind too but seeing blue colour in the USB socket I thought perhaps I'm missing something.

How about this one with NEC UPD720202 chipset then - is it worth trying? (obviously after some DIY including removal of those large upwards facing connectors):
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/281761364810
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Re: USB3 via WWAN slot of X61s

#5 Post by wileE » Sun Mar 25, 2018 8:28 am

I have USB 3.0 in my X61 via Expresscard.

You have to remove the PCMCIA slot and connect an Expresscard slot to the PCIe, USB 2.0 and power lanes of the WWAN slot.

Thread in german forum - large pic warning: https://thinkpad-forum.de/threads/16775 ... ost1838234

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Re: USB3 via WWAN slot of X61s

#6 Post by dr_st » Sun Mar 25, 2018 8:49 am

That's one impressive mod. :thumbs-UP:
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Re: USB3 via WWAN slot of X61s

#7 Post by dandreye » Sun Mar 25, 2018 9:25 am

wileE:

Very nice mod indeed: well done ) Whereabouts did you get that black plastic ExpressCard housing that the adapter plugs into: is that a hacked PCMCIA cage or a completely brand-new part?

I'm now undecided whether I go for the same one as yours or use a variation on the adapter in the latter advert of the two I shared above, so that all I need to add is a USB3.0 socket:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/XT-XINT ... 05411.html

Btw is the power obtained via the WWAN slot (be it (a) obtained directly from the slot and then fed to the USB3.0 ExpressCard or (b) obtained from the card advertised above and then fed directly to the USB3.0 socket) sufficient to run a typical portable USB3.0 HDD, e.g. Hitachi Touro? That's all I really need USB3.0 in my X61s for.
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Re: USB3 via WWAN slot of X61s

#8 Post by wileE » Sun Mar 25, 2018 9:52 am

The Expresscard housing is from a X200.

Power from the WWAN slot is good for one USB 3.0 HDD.

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Re: USB3 via WWAN slot of X61s

#9 Post by wileE » Sun Mar 25, 2018 10:20 am

dandreye wrote:
Sun Mar 25, 2018 9:25 am
all I need to add is a USB3.0 socket:
That is not easily done. The USB 3.0 socket is nearly 3mm deeper than the USB 2.0 socket.
If you cut out a piece of the motherboard on one of the right 2 USB sockets to make the USB 3.0 fit, you will lose the 5V power supply of the socket.

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Re: USB3 via WWAN slot of X61s

#10 Post by dandreye » Sun Mar 25, 2018 2:13 pm

wileE wrote:
Sun Mar 25, 2018 10:20 am
That is not easily done. The USB 3.0 socket is nearly 3mm deeper than the USB 2.0 socket.
If you cut out a piece of the motherboard on one of the right 2 USB sockets to make the USB 3.0 fit, you will lose the 5V power supply of the socket.
I was actually thinking of modding the single left hand side one: is that one any easier to replace with a USB3.0 one by chance?

As a backup option can I use a smaller e.g. Type C USB3.0 socket (w/o removing 3 existing USB2.0 ones) if I find enough space for it somewhere or it's only supposed to be used in peripheral devices?
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Re: USB3 via WWAN slot of X61s

#11 Post by wileE » Mon Mar 26, 2018 6:43 am

The left side is even worse. You will have problems with interference because of the cable lenght. Probably a working cable will turn out to be too thick for a X61.

I do not think a USB C socket will work. The devices will expect a USB C controller to negotiate what the socket can do.

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Re: USB3 via WWAN slot of X61s

#12 Post by dandreye » Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:01 am

wileE:

Thank you: it'll prevent me from going a wrong way now )
X1G1 3460-1F4, 2x X61s 7667-34G, X61s 7667-Y24, X61s 7667-WQ8, X61s 7666-AA5, X61s 7666-34G, X60s 1702-W96, T43 2669-YJ6, T42 2373-Q91

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