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I had compared the x40t vs the x31 i owned and these were my experiences.

I guess extra weight comes from the glass(?) + whatever is inside the screen, it is clearly thicker. And to fight this, they put smaller batteries into the standard version? Just guessing.

However my 1.6 kg x40 tablet had 2 hours battery life w standard battery vs the 4 hours in the x31, same weight. This i remember very clearly. (i sold the tablet about a year ago)

But again, this difference seems to decrease with the 60 series, and I think in general its definitelly worth buying.

I just wouldn't say there are no trade-offs.

disturbedsaint wrote:Why would it consume more power?
What are the specs of both of your machines?
If an X60 tablet has the same configuration as an non-tablet X60 (and the same battery), I don't see why it would consume more power. The digitizer might consume a little (not sure though), but that isn't even going to reduce the batterytime by half.

I also doubt it will be (much) heavier.
It might have to be reinforced somewhat more, but no way it's gonna be 1,5times as heavy.

OK, I decided to check the ever-so-handy tabook.pdf and compare X41 to the X41 tablet, both with the 8-cell battery. The results?

• The tablet version weighs an extra 300g (0.7 lbs)
  The tablet version is 29 mm deeper (1.2")
  The tablet version is 5 mm thicker (0.2")
  The tablet version is 6 mm wider (0.2")
  The tablet version batteries are rated to last 0.6h longer (!)

So assuming the same options are available for each one, and assuming that the tablet hinge is sufficiently robust, I think it really comes down to whether the additional flexibility is worth the extra size (and extra cost).[/list]

disturbedsaint wrote:Why would it consume more power?
What are the specs of both of your machines?
If an X60 tablet has the same configuration as an non-tablet X60 (and the same battery), I don't see why it would consume more power.

But there are rumors that the X60 tablet will have an SXGA+ display, which might draw more power than an XGA display.

pianowizard wrote:

disturbedsaint wrote:Why would it consume more power?
What are the specs of both of your machines?
If an X60 tablet has the same configuration as an non-tablet X60 (and the same battery), I don't see why it would consume more power.

But there are rumors that the X60 tablet will have an SXGA+ display, which might draw more power than an XGA display.

It might ... but SXGA+ is supposed to be an option. And in that case, should compare apples to apples.

I am really waiting for the X60t as well. I love my X60s, and if they release a tablet version that does not make me give up the durability, I might have to spring for it, even though I was hoping to keep my X60s for a while. I've just been running into situations left and right where I though "If only I had a tablet."

tomh009 wrote:OK, I decided to check the ever-so-handy tabook.pdf and compare X41 to the X41 tablet, both with the 8-cell battery. The results?

• The tablet version weighs an extra 300g (0.7 lbs)
  The tablet version is 29 mm deeper (1.2")
  The tablet version is 5 mm thicker (0.2")
  The tablet version is 6 mm wider (0.2")
  The tablet version batteries are rated to last 0.6h longer (!)

Interesting.
I would really like to know why the bigger size is necessary.
Funy about the battery though, since the Tablet's display is brighter and has a digitizer added.

pianowizard wrote:But there are rumors that the X60 tablet will have an SXGA+ display, which might draw more power than an XGA display.

As long as it's an option no-one will mind I think.
+It's a tradeoff I (and probably others) am willing to make.

Regarding the new X60tablet screens---

12.1” XGA wide angle display (170°) comes standard with Anti-Glare/Anti- Reflective coating , now with dynamic screen rotation that anticipates and adapts the screen orientation to how you want to work!

Plus 2 other new screen choices:
Optional models available with SXGA+ resolution enable more data, crisper detail, and a better ink experience comes standard with AG/AR coating (max resolution 1400 X 1050)
Optional models with indoor/outdoor viewing capability with touch screen for enhanced ease of use and flexibility
MultiTouch screen allows either finger or pen touch to move cursor for ease of use and more natural interaction with tablet
MultiView display provides better screen technology for viewing indoors, outdoors, and from extreme angles (170° viewing angle)

kjjb0204 wrote:Regarding the new X60tablet screens---

12.1” XGA wide angle display (170°) comes standard with Anti-Glare/Anti- Reflective coating , now with dynamic screen rotation that anticipates and adapts the screen orientation to how you want to work!

Plus 2 other new screen choices:
Optional models available with SXGA+ resolution enable more data, crisper detail, and a better ink experience comes standard with AG/AR coating (max resolution 1400 X 1050)
Optional models with indoor/outdoor viewing capability with touch screen for enhanced ease of use and flexibility
MultiTouch screen allows either finger or pen touch to move cursor for ease of use and more natural interaction with tablet
MultiView display provides better screen technology for viewing indoors, outdoors, and from extreme angles (170° viewing angle)

Sounds good!
Where did you get the info from?
Sounds like some sales-brochure.

The auto-sensing was already mentioned somewhere I believe.

About the Multitouch/touchscreen-option:
Can either option (Pen/finger) be disabled? Or better yet, will it be auto-sensing?

And can both options (MultiTouch and MultiView) be combined with both displays?

I guess you could say it was from a sales brochure. Any Lenovo authorized business partner would have received that disclosure information today.

kjjb0204 wrote:I guess you could say it was from a sales brochure. Any Lenovo authorized business partner would have received that disclosure information today.

So if the official information packet came out ... will there now be a 1400x1050 screen choice for the non-tablet X60 as well?

hmmmmm, good question. Haven't heard about that. Remember, though, that the panel for the tablet is actually a Waycom digitizer, not a standard display, so they would not be interchangeable with the X60 panels.

kjjb0204 wrote:hmmmmm, good question. Haven't heard about that. Remember, though, that the panel for the tablet is actually a Waycom digitizer, not a standard display, so they would not be interchangeable with the X60 panels.

OK ... so there were no news about non-tablet X60 updates?

nope

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=35500

"Tuesday November 30th should see the release of Vista to corporate customers [....]"

Since the tablet seems to have only been delayed (and delayed...) for Vista, hopefully people won't have to wait any longer than that to start ordering.

News flash:

Lenovo has added the X41t configurator back to their website -- I'm hoping this means that they are in the process of transitioning to the X60. In my experience they take a while to make major adjustments, though.

Sheesh, how difficult can this be?

zyphria wrote:Sheesh, how difficult can this be?

I don't know; making a new X6X Series Tablet with a better screen, more performance, and the same robustness and durability whilst fitting in more mechanical complexity of a hinge that makes it into a convertible tablet, and figuring out just where to put the rest of the stuff.....not to mention extensive testing before it goes out to the clients such that it holds up the Thinkpad name.

Should only be just a little while longer.

christopher_wolf wrote:

zyphria wrote:.....

Should only be just a little while longer.

I hope it is days and not months..

This may be what we'll see for the "MultiTouch" screen
http://www.gottabemobile.com/AdaptiveMu ... kShow.aspx

Tab wrote: Since the tablet seems to have only been delayed (and delayed...) for Vista, hopefully people won't have to wait any longer than that to start ordering.

so you think it will have vista... did the 'sales brochure' not mention something about this?

i don't know if we should be happy about this or not... i prefer an OS to be very very snappy...

It has arrived...
http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/14/leno ... -tablet-pc

somlaifischer wrote:so you think it will have vista... did the 'sales brochure' not mention something about this?

I never saw any such information. I'm surprised they're coming out with XP Tablet Edition, but I guess it makes sense as corporate customers might not buy Vista machines until they can do their own acceptance testing of the OS.

Personally I'm pretty disappointed with what they're offering but I still might order one in a month or two.