yes or no to wide screen x sereies?

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jamse · #1 Post by **jamse** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 3:05 am

i dont like wide screen lcds on laptops.

so i vote NO to wide screen anything...

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christopher_wolf · #2 Post by **christopher_wolf** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 3:26 am

I don't like widescreen much either, except for watching DVD movies on the laptop (and that is only if the X Series gets an internal optical drive)....but I wouldn't mind them making widescreen X Series Thinkpads in parallel with the 4:3 X Series Thinkpads *as long as* they don't mix funds for them up or "phase" them out.

Oh, the question asks who would want a widescreen X Series while the only answers available are "Yes" and "No."

Spif · #3 Post by **Spif** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 9:45 am

I really hate widescreen.

#4 Post by **tomh009** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 9:48 am

Choice is always good. As long as Lenovo will offer a choice (as they do with the T60 widescreen option), why not?

Tab · #5 Post by **Tab** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 10:58 am

The only advantage I see to widescreen is it could allow them to make a X similar but larger than the form factor of the Sony PictureBook models, where the system was more rectangular than square. No room for a touchpad, for example.

pianowizard · #6 Post by **pianowizard** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:01 am

I will not buy another X series (except, perhaps, for cheap used ones) until there is a widescreen option, which makes the display shorter and increases the number of pixels by 30%. The advantage is obvious, so I don't understand why most people here still avoid widescreens like the plague. True, the 15.4" and 17" models are too wide, but 12.1" widescreen is still very manageable.

#7 Post by **tomh009** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:05 am

pianowizard wrote:I will not buy another X series (except, perhaps, for cheap used ones) until there is a widescreen option, which makes the display shorter and increases the number of pixels by 30%. The advantage is obvious, so I don't understand why most people here still avoid widescreens like the plague. True, the 15.4" and 17" models are too wide, but 12.1" widescreen is still very manageable.

I think the 13.1" widescreen is actually just a touch lower than the 12.1" 4:3 display. It's wider but that actually has the small advantage in that we could get a full-size keyboard on an X series (while keeping it thin and light)!

pianowizard · #8 Post by **pianowizard** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:13 am

tomh009 wrote:I think the 13.1" widescreen is actually just a touch lower than the 12.1" 4:3 display. It's wider but that actually has the small advantage in that we could get a full-size keyboard on an X series (while keeping it thin and light)!

13.1" widescreen would make the laptop just a tad too big. But that's a good point, 12.1" widescreen laptops can have bigger keyboards than what the current X series has. That's yet another advantage of going widescreen. Oh, wait a minute, if the 13.1" widescreen has a slightly higher resolution than the 12.1" widescreen, say 1440x900, I would not mind having one.

#9 Post by **tomh009** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:23 am

12.1" 4:3 is 9.7"W x 7.3"H.
13.1" 8:5 is 11.1"W x 6.9" H.

1440x900 would have an almost identical dpi to a 14.1" SXGA+ display. Very nice idea, I think!

theetruscan · #10 Post by **theetruscan** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 1:16 pm

After switching from a MacBook (terrible reliability issues) to an X60s, my only complaint has been the screen shape. A 13" widescreen can easily manage side by side pages, which is really nice. I'd imagine a 12"WS can as well. The screen on the X series is just too narrow, and I never find myself needing the while height.

I'd sell my X60s in a second for a widescreen version.

NeoMatrix · #11 Post by **NeoMatrix** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 5:51 pm

I say "no" because it requires me to PgDn more. No need for widescreen on an X becasue you can't reasonably put two documents side-by-side on a widescreen 12" or 13" anyway.

Also, a widescreen may make the dimensions too wide, i.e., larger than a standard piece of 8.5"x11" piece of paper, thereby making a strange fit in a briefcase.

pianowizard · #12 Post by **pianowizard** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 6:04 pm

NeoMatrix wrote:I say "no" because it requires me to PgDn more.

Vertically, a 12.1" widescreen usually has 800 pixels, vs. 768 pixels on a 12.1" 4:3 screen, so you actually can see a little more vertically on a widescreen, and need to PgDn a little less often.

In terms of dimensions, the HP nc2400 is 0.976 in (H) x 11.1 in (W) x 8.38 in (D), exceeding 8.5x11 by only 0.1 in!

milstein · #13 Post by **milstein** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:13 pm

NeoMatrix wrote:I say "no" because it requires me to PgDn more. No need for widescreen on an X becasue you can't reasonably put two documents side-by-side on a widescreen 12" or 13" anyway.

Also, a widescreen may make the dimensions too wide, i.e., larger than a standard piece of 8.5"x11" piece of paper, thereby making a strange fit in a briefcase.

A revisit of "widescreen" on X-series...
If X-series is made wide in the future... it just doesn't make sense...
The only advantage is to put two document side by side, or to have some sidebar / messenger application staying on the side
In the X-series, which is oriented for work and light weight with the tiny screen, it just doesn't make sense to do these things

#14 Post by **tomh009** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 4:00 pm

There are many things in this world that may appear to make no sense at all, but which we still have to accept ...

zaimek · #15 Post by **zaimek** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 4:11 pm

It would look a little more like a sheet of paper - this couldn't be that bad in case of x60t.

dr_st · #16 Post by **dr_st** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 7:18 am

4:3 is close to the dimensions of a paper sheet than 8:5.

milstein · #17 Post by **milstein** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 11:34 am

the longer format "F size" paper which is not so common in use will be closer to the 16:10 widescreen

However, 4:3 really more closely resemble the size of printed paper, in both cases of A4 size (Europe & Asian int'l format) & US Letter size

I just want to hope & pray that the higher quality 4:3 screens will survive in the display module manufacturing industry, maybe mainly due to the flourishing of tablet PC

sheynk · #18 Post by **sheynk** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 11:50 am

I actually like having my desktop be "square". The idea of a 12.1 wide screen makes me think that looking at documents and web pages will be weird...too short of a screen...and useless real estate on the sides

milstein · #19 Post by **milstein** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 12:31 pm

One idea to make the widescreen (16:10) or the standard (4:3) on a 12" labtop *genuinely usable* is to make the screen capable of rotating to portrait mode (as in some of the desktop widescreens available in the market)

working on a 12.1" ultraportable laptop in the 3:4 (768x1024/1050x1400) and the 10:16 (800x1280) portrait mode will be very productive I can imagine

But the mechanics to construct such a rotatable screen laptop will be very difficult (if not impossible) to be implemented in a stylish way

dr_st · #20 Post by **dr_st** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 2:51 pm

milstein wrote:But the mechanics to construct such a rotatable screen laptop will be very difficult (if not impossible) to be implemented in a stylish way

What's wrong with the way they are implemented on Tablet PCs?

milstein · #21 Post by **milstein** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 3:35 pm

dr_st wrote:
milstein wrote:But the mechanics to construct such a rotatable screen laptop will be very difficult (if not impossible) to be implemented in a stylish way
What's wrong with the way they are implemented on Tablet PCs?

dr_st... you didn't get me...

I am suggesting a capability to do screen rotation in the laptop mode (from a 1024x768 landscape to a 768x1024 portrait), but NOT in the tablet mode as in tablet PCs

an example would be in the Sahara tablet
http://www.tabletpc2.com/Review-Sahara.htm
but it is a tablet PC, and its keyboard is not attached contrary to the Thinkpads, and it needs a dock to do that upright screen "rotation" implementation

tyanlion · #22 Post by **tyanlion** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 8:04 pm

If it is widescreen do we still have the capability of going back to 4:3 resoulution?

dr_st · #23 Post by **dr_st** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 5:27 am

tyanlion wrote:If it is widescreen do we still have the capability of going back to 4:3 resoulution?

I think it should be possible to display 4:3 resolution centered at the screen, with a black frame around it. I have a 1400x1050 resolution, and through presentation director it's possible to display a 1024x768 at the center of the screen. Should be possible with any resolution, possibly depending on the video card driver.

milstein · #24 Post by **milstein** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 2:26 pm

dr_st wrote:
tyanlion wrote:If it is widescreen do we still have the capability of going back to 4:3 resoulution?
I think it should be possible to display 4:3 resolution centered at the screen, with a black frame around it......

I just hope we can make use of the whole screen real estate, there's no point in doing a shrunken 4:3 on a 16:10
however, 800 & 900 are still > 768 in terms of vertical height, hope that's gonna be easily bearable, if X-series is really going to join the widescreen camp

nicolas · #25 Post by **nicolas** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 11:00 am

chars on such a small wide screen will be too hard to read...

snife · #26 Post by **snife** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 9:31 am

You can have all the votes you want (my vote is for no btw) but it wont change anything - 4:3 12" panels are getting difficult to obtain - by 2008 your only x series choices will be widescreen.

milstein · #27 Post by **milstein** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 10:40 am

snife wrote:You can have all the votes you want (my vote is for no btw) but it wont change anything - 4:3 12" panels are getting difficult to obtain - by 2008 your only x series choices will be widescreen.

If it is true... probably with no FFS (IPS) too...

snife · #28 Post by **snife** » Tue May 01, 2007 4:50 am

milstein wrote:
snife wrote:You can have all the votes you want (my vote is for no btw) but it wont change anything - 4:3 12" panels are getting difficult to obtain - by 2008 your only x series choices will be widescreen.
If it is true... probably with no FFS (IPS) too...

Nope, welcome to the world which Dell has created - only crappy widescreen displays on every notebook PC by YE 2008.

proaudioguy · #29 Post by **proaudioguy** » Fri May 04, 2007 11:12 pm

Well I got mine today. I'm thinking if it were just enough wider to have a full size A keyboard (not the nav buttons), then it could be a good thing. I would not want to lose the IPS, or the vertical pixels, just add some pixels to the horizontal. I'm using the SXGA+ screen.
So yea, the keyboard is a "little" tight.

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