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Posted: **Fri Mar 02, 2007 2:41 am**

I will be buying a laptop computer soon and wanted to know what you guys thought of these specs on the new X60s with a 2.0 Core 2 Duo, 100GB. 7200 RPM Hard drive and 1Gb. f ram for now which I will upgrade to 2.0Gb. of ram from a source outside of IBM as they are cheaper. At the moment they are asking me if I want the Windows XP Professional with Business or the new Vista? I hear that the old XP perfors better then the new Vista? WHat do you guys think? New Vista or old XP? Also will this laptop perform well with the above specs? I currently have a Fujitsu P7010 with a 60Gb. Hard drive 7200 RPM,1.2 CPU and 1 Gb. of ram. I wonder if this will be much faster then what I currently have? Any bad things about this laptop? I hear a new laptop is coming out soon? True or not with a new CPU from Intel..

Posted: **Fri Mar 02, 2007 3:33 am**

From the specs, I'm pretty sure you're looking at a X60, not a X60s. The X60s is smaller, but uses a Low Voltage CPU, which Intel don't make at 2Ghz yet.

You can expect a renewal of the laptop lines around May or June, as Intel will probably introduce new laptop chipsets in April. The main attractions are better integrated graphics and much faster Wifi.

Posted: **Fri Mar 02, 2007 8:53 am**

I think the new core 2 low voltage processors are coming too. it might be best to wait

Posted: **Fri Mar 02, 2007 9:00 am**

What about the performance on the one I had listed? Is the performance good or average compared to my current Fujitsu P7010? Also, this unit comes wth A,B & G Wifi..

Posted: **Fri Mar 02, 2007 3:50 pm**

stylinexpat wrote:I will be buying a laptop computer soon and wanted to know what you guys thought of these specs on the new X60s with a 2.0 Core 2 Duo, 100GB. 7200 RPM Hard drive and 1Gb. f ram for now which I will upgrade to 2.0Gb. of ram from a source outside of IBM as they are cheaper. At the moment they are asking me if I want the Windows XP Professional with Business or the new Vista? I hear that the old XP perfors better then the new Vista? WHat do you guys think? New Vista or old XP? Also will this laptop perform well with the above specs? I currently have a Fujitsu P7010 with a 60Gb. Hard drive 7200 RPM,1.2 CPU and 1 Gb. of ram. I wonder if this will be much faster then what I currently have? Any bad things about this laptop? I hear a new laptop is coming out soon? True or not with a new CPU from Intel..

i believe the spec you are looking at ix x60 not x60s.

the spec you quote is 1706-B53 in Hong Kong, except 7200rpm 100g HD, everything other components is correct.
you can see my x60 spec on my signature.

I own this beautiful specificagtion and has upgrade to 2Gb ram.

Posted: **Fri Mar 02, 2007 6:22 pm**

I am using the 1709-H6U

Find it is as fast at my T60p

Posted: **Fri Mar 02, 2007 7:35 pm**

And how's the weight?

Posted: **Fri Mar 02, 2007 10:46 pm**

poedream wrote:
stylinexpat wrote:I will be buying a laptop computer soon and wanted to know what you guys thought of these specs on the new X60s with a 2.0 Core 2 Duo, 100GB. 7200 RPM Hard drive and 1Gb. f ram for now which I will upgrade to 2.0Gb. of ram from a source outside of IBM as they are cheaper. At the moment they are asking me if I want the Windows XP Professional with Business or the new Vista? I hear that the old XP perfors better then the new Vista? WHat do you guys think? New Vista or old XP? Also will this laptop perform well with the above specs? I currently have a Fujitsu P7010 with a 60Gb. Hard drive 7200 RPM,1.2 CPU and 1 Gb. of ram. I wonder if this will be much faster then what I currently have? Any bad things about this laptop? I hear a new laptop is coming out soon? True or not with a new CPU from Intel..
How is that laptop? Any problems with it? Is it fast or average when compared to the Fujitsu P7010 ?

i believe the spec you are looking at ix x60 not x60s.

the spec you quote is 1706-B53 in Hong Kong, except 7200rpm 100g HD, everything other components is correct.
you can see my x60 spec on my signature.

I own this beautiful specificagtion and has upgrade to 2Gb ram.

Posted: **Sat Mar 03, 2007 12:01 am**

well a core 2 duo @ 2ghz vs pentium m ulv @ 1.2 ghz, the core 2 duo will win for sure, even if using a single core.

But for light use performance you might not see a big difference if you're not using strong application that requires cpu power.

I think the new cpu would still be core 2 duo but with 800 mhz bus insteal of 667 mhz in the current core 2 duo.

Posted: **Sat Mar 03, 2007 1:03 am**

boon wrote:well a core 2 duo @ 2ghz vs pentium m ulv @ 1.2 ghz, the core 2 duo will win for sure, even if using a single core.

But for light use performance you might not see a big difference if you're not using strong application that requires cpu power.

I think the new cpu would still be core 2 duo but with 800 mhz bus insteal of 667 mhz in the current core 2 duo.

800 Mhz. is for the ones being planned to be released in the future or the current model ones?

Posted: **Sat Mar 03, 2007 8:04 am**

stylinexpat wrote:What about the performance on the one I had listed? Is the performance good or average compared to my current Fujitsu P7010? Also, this unit comes wth A,B & G Wifi..

The Lifebooks are solid units from what I have seen. Although only one of our execs bought one Lifebook tablet. Our standard is X60. The x60s is the better one for battery conservation, but as was said in the previous thread, the x60s is the slower processor.
If you have to take delivery now, the x60 is the faster one. Also, with all the complaints of battery life using Vista, I would opt for XP and wait until Vista matures. You can buy an optional hot swap base battery to use on the x60 and x60s in addition to the expanded battery. This gives you additional time without plugging in. You can go coast to coast with the dual battery setup and not miss a beat.(xp)
Also, just to bear in mind, the x60s comes with the Verizon chipset built in. The x60 does not have this. You will sacrafice processor speed for connectivity. (x60s vs. x60) You can get an account through Verizon for about $79.00 to $59.00 per month and have a connection wherever you go. With the x60, you have to purchase the PCMCIA Verizon card. Not everyone needs this but we use the PCMCIA cards for some of our upper management and they do work acceptably well.
Given what I have seen with the Lifebook Tablet, the x60 is subtly faster by only a bit. I do consider the x60 a solid performer overall.

Posted: **Sat Mar 03, 2007 4:13 pm**

the 800mhz front bus core 2 duo is to be released in the future, named santa rosa, by intel and I think it also includes 802.11n

http://www.techspot.com/news/20130-inte ... -2007.html

practically its just the same cpu but with 800 mhz front bus motherboards

The current core 2 duo only support 667mhz bus.

It's almost the same when pentium M dothan and sonoma is released

other than that I think the core 2 duo series is going to be the main cpus for awhile.

Posted: **Sun Mar 04, 2007 4:13 pm**

RE: WWAN Options from Lenovo

I opted to not buy either option from Lenovo.

Why?

1) I don't pay for lenovo's WWAN (INt or Ext option) so it can become absolete - and it already is.

2) I can buy an ext WWAN card that is Rev A today(faster uploads and downloads) either PCMCIA or USB from VZ.

***The internal WWAN and Ext VZ card that Lenovo offers is Rev O(the slower speed)

Posted: **Sun Mar 04, 2007 9:24 pm**

What is the best wireless card that one can buy which will provide better range,reception, stability and voip useagecompared to the factory installed ones? Are after market PCMCIA cards for WIFIW better then the preinstalled built in ones for range,performance and stability?If so, which ones?

Posted: **Mon Mar 05, 2007 12:00 am**

Its less about whose the best and more about:

1) Who has rev a WWAN today? What format is it available: PCMCIA, Express, USB? And yes, a Rev A ext card will outperform the standard Rev O internal cards. Also, as technology changes, you can continue to use ext options albeit not as convenienet as built in. However, most people will be very satidfied with their lenovo built in Rev O WWAN cards. Keep in mind we are talking WWAN and not wiresless LAN.

For wireless lan, I am configuring my lenovo TP with the N card from lenovo which will give me improved wireless speeds thru MIMO wirelss routers i.e. 108 MBPS+ vs standard 54G routers.

2) Which carrier do you tend to prefer? VZ, Cingular etc

I did not do any kind of review of all the rev a cards from all the carriers.

For me, I use VZ for cell. So I will use them for my WWAN monthly access and the cards they have on their website. For me, its likely the USB WWAN with Rev A.

Posted: **Mon Mar 05, 2007 3:13 am**

I've been holding out for a LV C2D X60s too, so when I saw the thread title I got all excited then disappointed!

Does anybody know for sure that there will be such a machine? And does anybody know anything more than Intel's "Q2 2007" Santa Rosa estimate?

Getting impatient...

Posted: **Mon Mar 05, 2007 3:53 am**

stylinexpat wrote:What is the best wireless card that one can buy which will provide better range,reception, stability and voip useagecompared to the factory installed ones? Are after market PCMCIA cards for WIFIW better then the preinstalled built in ones for range,performance and stability?If so, which ones?

Assuming you are talking 802.11 WiFi rather than WWAN here -- if so, the consensus here is that the Atheros-based "ThinkPad" cards available from Lenovo are the best choice. Choose either a/b/g or a/b/g/n. 802.11n will be good, but depending on your usage may or may not make a difference: you will need an 802.11n access point, and of course you won't see a performance difference if your only wireless connections are to the Internet as 802.11a/g will already outperform any Internet connection.

Posted: **Mon Mar 05, 2007 4:49 am**

I searched every where in Hong-Kong today only find a 5400 rpm hard drive available. There weren't any 7200 rpm drives available...What do you guys think? Buy or wait? Can I buy a 7200 rpm drive for the X60 from IBM online in America & just install that one later on?

Posted: **Mon Mar 05, 2007 5:00 am**

stylinexpat wrote:I searched every where in Hong-Kong today only find a 5400 rpm hard drive available. There weren't any 7200 rpm drives available...What do you guys think? Buy or wait? Can I buy a 7200 rpm drive for the X60 from IBM online in America & just install that one later on?

I know there is 7200rpm 2.5" harddrive in HK. because i just saw them 2 days ago in Shum shui Po.

as far as i know in Shum Shui Po golden computer mall, they have hitachi 7K100 2.5" sATA.

or you can see the price list of Jumbo computers in Mon Kok, Kwoloon.
http://www.jumbo-computer.com/pricelist.asp
*scroll down on pull down menu for Hard Disk.

Posted: **Mon Mar 05, 2007 7:53 am**

None of the laptops (X60) I found in Mong-Kok or Sham-Shui-Po had preconfigured 7100 rpm hard drives in them from IBM. Link you gave me was just for hard-drives. There are plenty of 7100 rpm hard-drives in Hong-Kong just none from IBM preconfigured.

Posted: **Mon Mar 05, 2007 8:01 am**

The website in Hong-Kong for IBM shows all these configurations for the X60 which can neither be ordered via website nor are available in their retail outlet stores. Cpu processor spped is one and hard-drive speed is the second.

Posted: **Mon Mar 05, 2007 8:15 am**

There is no problem with adding a 7K100 hard disk after the purchase. Make your recovery CDs, swap the disks, and reinstall the OS from the recovery CDs. You can then use the original disk for backups or extra storage with an external USB housing.

Posted: **Mon Mar 05, 2007 8:16 am**

stylinexpat wrote:The website in Hong-Kong for IBM shows all these configurations for the X60 which can neither be ordered via website nor are available in their retail outlet stores. Cpu processor spped is one and hard-drive speed is the second.

Did you try phoning them to see whether they will allow you to order those configurations by phone?

Posted: **Mon Mar 05, 2007 9:05 am**

1st. they said it was possible but I had to wait 2-3 days to special order it then when I arrived in Hong-Kong they told me that such configuration exists for the X60 model. When I told them that it existed on IBM'S Website they said tnat difeerent countries offered different setups & if I wanted a 7100 rpm hard-drive I would have to buy the T60P which is not what I had wanted.

Posted: **Mon Mar 05, 2007 9:09 am**

tomh009 wrote:There is no problem with adding a 7K100 hard disk after the purchase. Make your recovery CDs, swap the disks, and reinstall the OS from the recovery CDs. You can then use the original disk for backups or extra storage with an external USB housing.

I'm not sure if I know how to do this without anything going wrong & if I'm able to set it up in the me exact way it would come from IBM.

Posted: **Mon Mar 05, 2007 11:56 am**

The recovery disks will, in fact, restore it to the exact factory configuration.

Your other option would be to buy a US unit (make sure it has the three-year international warranty!) and get it shipped to you ...

Posted: **Mon Mar 05, 2007 4:15 pm**

stylinexpat wrote:
tomh009 wrote:There is no problem with adding a 7K100 hard disk after the purchase. Make your recovery CDs, swap the disks, and reinstall the OS from the recovery CDs. You can then use the original disk for backups or extra storage with an external USB housing.
I'm not sure if I know how to do this without anything going wrong & if I'm able to set it up in the me exact way it would come from IBM.

Since your location is in Taiwan, why not buy the taiwanese X60s model#1706-BC4
Come with L2500 1.83Ghz, 1G ram, 7k100 100g Ultralight screen with bluetooth, the best X60s config. setup I have seem so far.

Posted: **Mon Mar 05, 2007 9:41 pm**

In Taiwan all the units sold in Taiwan are Chinese only. No English versions are sold in Taiwan.In Hong-Kong you can pick which language you want (Chinese or English). They wonder why Taiwan doesn't get any tourists...

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2007 6:41 am**

poky wrote:Since your location is in Taiwan, why not buy the taiwanese X60s model#1706-BC4
Come with L2500 1.83Ghz, 1G ram, 7k100 100g Ultralight screen with bluetooth, the best X60s config. setup I have seem so far.

Wow, that's a sexy config... and it has 802.11n too. (Specs) Is it available anywhere else? (In English?)

Actually, what exactly is different in Taiwanese versons, aside from the OS language?

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2007 12:44 pm**

The Chinese Software alone is enough to not allow you to use it. I just got off the phone with an IBM sales person from America & he said that no 7200 rpm drives were available for order with the X60 Thinkpads

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