x61Tablet consolidation thread

[tomh009]

And those 170-degree ones are FFS panels -- on the same level as the much-revered IPS ones in the T series ThinkPads. Good stuff!

[ryan18]

well, this could be an answer to the x61T screen question:
http://www.gottabemobile.com/LenovoThin ... sions.aspx

[GomJabbar]

Superview

There has been a lot of confusion on this, some of it due to some confusing info on the Lenovo product site where, depending on where you were looking, it was called Multi-view or SuperView. SuperView is the correct terminology. It is designed to make viewing in outdoor conditions better especially in sunlight. I can’t really report on any significant results for this because our skies have been cloudy and we’ve had rain for the time I’ve had the X61 in my hands. From what I can tell the process is called “Direct Bonding” and it is designed to cut down on reflectivity and make the screen less susceptible to scratching (although I hadn’t noticed any problems with scratching at all on the X60), and more durable under harsh conditions. Here’s what I have noticed. There appears to be an extra layer on the screen. All well and good. But when you have a white background on the screen there is a detectable moire pattern viewable. It seems to be more pronounced in portrait mode than in landscape mode. I don’t find it distracting, but it is there. I also notice that the screen is particularly susceptible to fingerprints, or rather the grease or oils that may come off your skin. More so than the X60. Using any sort of cleaning solution designed for this purpose only serves to smear it around, so you’ll need a dry cloth to keep those impressions off the screen. (Remember this is a demo unit, so shipping units might be different.)

Above taken from ryan18's GottaBeMobile link.

I don't think I agree with the statement from above: "...depending on where you were looking, it was called Multi-view or SuperView. SuperView is the correct terminology. It is designed to make viewing in outdoor conditions better especially in sunlight." The way I see it, Superview only applies to SGXA+ displays. Both Superview and Multiview are indoor/outdoor, wide viewing angle displays.

The X61 Tablet has a new SuperView SXGA+ screen, coated with a special scratch-resistant and anti-reflective layer which makes it extra usable outdoors. MultiView and MultiTouch remain options.

http://www.slashgear.com/lenovo-santa-r ... 305510.php

12.1" Super-Wide Angle FFS XGA TFT (1024x768, 195nits), 12.1" SuperView SXGA+ TFT (1400x1050, 190nits), 12.1" MultiView/MultiTouch XGA TFT (1024x768, 150nits)

http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=3734

With SuperView, a direct bonding technology in SXGA+ resolution screens, users experience lower reflectivity than similar panel technologies for excellent readability outdoors, even in direct sunlight. The technology helps prevent scratching, making the Tablet PC extremely durable under harsh conditions.

http://www.thetabletpc.net/news-lenovoa ... 531071.htm

* 12.1" XGA Wide angle display ( 170 degrees) comes standard with

* Anti-glare / anti reflective coating, now with dynamic screen orientation that adapts the screen to how you want to work ( we are assuming this is like the M200 and M400 accelerometer that auto rotates based on the angle you hold the screen)

* Plus two other new screen options

* Optional models available with SXGA ( max res of 1400 x 1050)

* Optional models available with indoor / outdoor viewing capability with touch screen for enhanced ease of use and flexibility

* MultiTouch screen allows either finger or pen touch to move cursor for ease of use and more natural interaction with tablet

* MultiView display provides better screen technology for viewing indoors, outdoors, and from wide angles ( 170 degrees )

http://www.greghughes.net/rant/SneakPea ... eX60s.aspx

TabletPc2.com - Photos of some of the X60 display types

Convertible / Hybrid Model Comparison Chart

ThinkPad X Series Tablet - Compare series details

[nikemen]

Not to be too naive,

but, can someone tell me the differance between SXGA+ and XGA multi-touch. Would the SXGA+ NOT be a true tablet with touch, pen, integration?

[ryan18]

Not to be too naive,

but, can someone tell me the differance between SXGA+ and XGA multi-touch. Would the SXGA+ NOT be a true tablet with touch, pen, integration?

bascially. the SXGA+ superview/multiview will not be touchscreen while the XGA multiview is also multitouch meaning it will be touchscreen. currently Lenovo does not offer touchscreen in SXGA+ resolution and they didnt even offer outdoor viewing until the x61 was released.

[nikemen]

wow, that just seems like a deal breaker for me, till they get an SXGA multi-touch. I mean, what good is a tablet without multi-touch? Just to swivel the screen?

[ryan18]

wow, that just seems like a deal breaker for me, till they get an SXGA multi-touch. I mean, what good is a tablet without multi-touch? Just to swivel the screen?

well some people feel they can navigate just as good with a digitizer pen as they can with their finger, while others prefer the finger input. i guess its just a matter of preference.

[nikemen]

okay, wait a second.

Does the SXGA+ without multi-touch, work just fine with the pen. That would makes sense, so the multi-touch is just IF you want to use your FINGER as well?

[gongo]

okay, wait a second.

Does the SXGA+ without multi-touch, work just fine with the pen. That would makes sense, so the multi-touch is just IF you want to use your FINGER as well?

correct. multi-touch is the pen and a finger so you get get your screen all grubby.

non multi-touch is the pen only. (and mouse/kb/etc)

[bananaman]

OK, I think I'm getting the terminology down :

Multiview = Indoor/Outdoor
MultiTouch = Finger touch in addition to pen
SuperView = Indoor/Outdoor and SXGA+
WVA = Wide Viewing Angle
FFS = Fringe Field Switching, an LCD wide view technology
XGA = 1024x768
SXGA+ = 1400x1050

But the Lenovo X61 Tablet spec page and online configurator (Customize & Buy) disagree. They show different display choices for the X61 Tablet.

Spec page:

Super Wide Viewing Angle FFS 12.1" XGA (1024x768) TFT
SuperView 12.1" SXGA+ (1400x1050) TFT
MultiView/MultiTouch 12.1" XGA (1024x768) TFT

Online configurator:

12.1" WVA XGA TFT
12.1" MultiView WVA SXGA TFT
12.1" MultiView + MultiTouch WVA XGA TFT

My guess is that the online configurator is wrong, and that "Multiview WVA SXGA" should read "SuperView WVA SXGA+". Can anyone confirm this?

[gongo]

yes

http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.ph ... 646#294646

basically multiview = superview

and x61t MV SXGA = 1400 x 1050 resolution

[oconnell]

Here is an article today: Update on Lenovo's SuperView Screen Technology at http://www.gottabemobile.com

[Tokoro]

" That listing is a typo. If you select that option, it will order a SuperView SXGA+ (1400×1050) screen."

(This is talking about the MultiView SXGA screen)

via Tim Supples' Lenovo Blog and the gottabemobile.com forums:

http://www.gottabemobile.com/forum/foru ... 373b6ac2be
http://lenovoblogs.com/insidethebox/?p=84#comments

Confirmation?

[bananaman]

I'm sorry this just made me laugh . Below is what the Lenovo X61T Tablet configurator (Customize & Buy) says this morning. If you order one with a display, it will delay your order! So order without a display for immediate delivery!

12.1" WVA XGA TFT and Intel® Core™ 2 Duo L7500 LV [New]
Selecting this option may delay your shipment 3-4 weeks.
12.1" MultiView WVA SXGA TFT and Intel® Core™ 2 Duo L7500 LV [add $50.00] [New]
Selecting this option may delay your shipment 3-4 weeks.
12.1" MultiView + MultiTouch WVA XGA TFT and Intel® Core™ 2 Duo L7500 LV [add $150.00] [New]
Selecting this option may delay your shipment 3-4 weeks.

[bananaman]

Yay! New ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/pc/pcinstitu ... tabook.pdf posted today with X61, X61s, and X61 Tablet specifications.

For display options, the X61 Tablet has:

Some: 12.1" (307mm) XGA (1024x768) TFT color, 185 nits, 4:3, 500:1, 170° viewing
Some: 12.1" (307mm) SXGA+ (1400x1050) color, 190 nits, 4:3, 500:1, 170° viewing,
direct bonding panel (SuperView) for improved outdoor viewability
Touch: 12.1" (307mm) XGA (1024x768) TFT color, 4:3, 150 nits, 170° viewing /
MultiView (indoor/outdoor), MultiTouch (touchscreen via fi nger and pen)
All: Super Wide Angle FFS / anti-refl ective and anti-glare protective coatings /
write on screen with standard digitizer pen / pen holder in front base /
rotate and swivel hinge in middle bottom of display for tablet mode (portrait or
landscape) or picture frame mode (keyboard faces away from user) / buttons on
display bottom (power, lock, reboot, rotation, utility, Esc, NavDial/enter)

For me that clinches it. The Lenovo online configurator is wrong when it says "12.1" MultiView WVA SXGA TFT" - it means "SuperView WVA SXGA+".

[SFWrtr]

Not that this prob. makes a difference in the Super/Multiview debate, but the X61T on sale is a 7764 not the two listed in the tabook.pdf, 7762 and 7767. Odd...

[ptantra]

I'm debating between getting the X61S (with ultralight screen) and the X61T. I really like the dimensions and weight of the X61S, but I'm leaning towards getting the X61T simply because of the SXGA+ (1400x1050) resolution. I can see uses for the tablet feature, but I will probably use the machine in regular "laptop" mode 95%+ of the time.

Hence my questions:
1) How hard/easy is it to make the screen swivel? Is there some sort of mechanism that prevents accidental screen swivel when in laptop mode? If I'm working in laptop mode then pick up the laptop at an angle, will the screen swivel on its own? If there is some sort of locking mechanism, does it last? I tend to keep my machines a long time. (I celebrated my T23's 5th birthday a few months ago.)

2) Does the inking feature work with all apps? I mainly work in PDF, Word, Excel, Lotus Domino/Notes, and webbrowsers. I open up Photoshop and other graphics programs maybe a handful of times a year. Will I be able to ink in those apps or will the pen merely become another way of manipulating the curser?

3) Are there problems with using the pen and apps run under Citrix?

4) Will there be options with regards to the amounts of video RAM available? Or is 256MB of video ram only for discrete graphics chips?

5) If I buy the 4-cell battery, will the battery fit flush with the back of the tablet?

6) What is the highest resolution that the integrated graphics can generate on an external monitor? Can it do 1600x1200?


I wish the X61S will come with SXGA+ resolution and a bright screen because I'd buy it in an instant. Did I miss the thread that confirms/denys whether that will be offered?

Hope I didn't duplicate a question that was already answered in another thread.

Thanks,
Patrick

[el aye]

5) If I buy the 4-cell battery, will the battery fit flush with the back of the tablet?

6) What is the highest resolution that the integrated graphics can generate on an external monitor? Can it do 1600x1200?


Thanks,
Patrick

The 4-cell sits almost flush with the back.. keep in mind that the swivel part pokes out a tiny bit from the rest of the laptop, and the 4-cell has a piece that goes around the swivel part. I think overall it pops out maybe half a centimeter.

The integrated graphics can do better than 1600x1200. As far as I know, it can at least do 1920x1200 (res found on the 2407fpw). I am not sure if it can go higher or not.

[ptantra]

The 4-cell sits almost flush with the back.. keep in mind that the swivel part pokes out a tiny bit from the rest of the laptop, and the 4-cell has a piece that goes around the swivel part. I think overall it pops out maybe half a centimeter.

Thanks. I viewed all the inkshows I could find about the X60 Tablet on www.gottabemobile.com. One of them showed the 4 cell battery and I saw what you were talking about. It also looked as if there is some kind of indexing of the swivel joint that tries to keep the screen in "laptop" mode, and yet won't require much effort to actually swivel the screen.

This forum and the gottabemobile inkshows really helped answer most of my questions.

Thanks!

[IvanAndreevich]

I've got a question for you all.

I have a X61T on hand which has the PART# 13N7232, FRU 13N7231 screen - it does look like an IPS panel to me. It's loads and loads better than my X61s screen (regular screen, not ultralight) which is obviously a TN piece of crap. I travel with my X61s, and I view and edit photos on it, so an IPS panel would be an incredible upgrade for me.

I want to frankestein the screen into my X61s and put the TN screen into the tablet. I obviously want to leave the digitizer plastic on top of the screen on the tablet. How workable is this?