Problem with Sleep/Hibernate Mode

[n00b_thinkpad]

I'm having a problem with Vista's Sleep/Hibernate feature on my X61 tablet.

What I want to do is have the system go into Sleep mode (ie Standby) after 10 minutes of inactivity and then go into Hibernate mode after 30 minutes of inactivity. Similarly, I also want it to work that if I close the lid (ie it automatically goes into Sleep mode) that it will go into Hibernate mode 30 minutes later if I don't open the laptop.

However, I'm having problems getting this feature to work. Basically what happens is that the laptop will go into Standby mode after 10 minutes of inactivity (or closing the lid) but it'll simply stay in Standby mode and won't go into Hibernate mode. The only way I can get it to do this is to press Fn+F12.

I'm pretty sure I'm going about this the right way too because I made a new Power Profile that said Sleep after 10 minutes and Hibernate after 30 minutes but whenever I close the lid, it simply goes into Standby Mode and stays there even if I leave it on overnight! What’s going on here?! Is anybody else having this problem?

[mgo]

I'm having a problem with Vista's Sleep/Hibernate feature on my X61 tablet.

Vista's Sleep/Hibernate features are very much different from XP's. But then you may already be aware of that....

It helped me to read several articles about Vista's sleep/hibernate. Also, the Vista power management sub-settings are somewhat confusing, and require considerable "drilling down" thru the various + marks to get to the settings.

Again, reading articles about all that helped me quite a bit.

[n00b_thinkpad]

I'm having a problem with Vista's Sleep/Hibernate feature on my X61 tablet.

Vista's Sleep/Hibernate features are very much different from XP's. But then you may already be aware of that....

It helped me to read several articles about Vista's sleep/hibernate. Also, the Vista power management sub-settings are somewhat confusing, and require considerable "drilling down" thru the various + marks to get to the settings.

Again, reading articles about all that helped me quite a bit.

Hey,

Do you know of a specific way to get what I'm trying to do accomplished? Also, could you point me to some articles so I can get an idea of what's new?

[SFWrtr]

I don't have my X61 tablet available right now (it's in depot repair), but there is a Vista feature called "enable hybrid sleep." PRobably in the power management area, but you can always open Vista help and look for "sleep" or "hybrid sleep." What this does is what you ask, sleep initially and then eventually go to hibernate. To the best of my knowledge, there is no Vista built-in method for setting the timing for the sleep to hibernate transition (I'd like to know!). I'll bet there's a tweak-UI type program for that somewhere, but as of yet I haven't gone looking. I can verify that if I sleep it that by morning I find it is hibernated.

BTW, I usually rather choose which I want. If the tablet is plugged in, I prefer sleep. If I'm traveling, I'd like hibernate, esp. if the X6 is attached. That'll use 1% of the battery per hour in sleep mode! Beats me why Lenovo decided to have three BRIGHT LEDs on in sleep mode just on the media slice.

[n00b_thinkpad]

I don't have my X61 tablet available right now (it's in depot repair), but there is a Vista feature called "enable hybrid sleep." PRobably in the power management area, but you can always open Vista help and look for "sleep" or "hybrid sleep." What this does is what you ask, sleep initially and then eventually go to hibernate. To the best of my knowledge, there is no Vista built-in method for setting the timing for the sleep to hibernate transition (I'd like to know!). I'll bet there's a tweak-UI type program for that somewhere, but as of yet I haven't gone looking. I can verify that if I sleep it that by morning I find it is hibernated.

BTW, I usually rather choose which I want. If the tablet is plugged in, I prefer sleep. If I'm traveling, I'd like hibernate, esp. if the X6 is attached. That'll use 1% of the battery per hour in sleep mode! Beats me why Lenovo decided to have three BRIGHT LEDs on in sleep mode just on the media slice.

I thought that hybrid sleep was a case where the state of the machine is stored to memory (RAM) as well as the hard drive so if the power goes off, it can still restore the state from the RAM. This was supposed to be used for desktops which don't run on batteries so they're liable to complete loss of state if the power goes off.

http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows- ... leep-mode/

I'm really frustrated that there's no way to do this in Vista. In XP, it actually knew to go into hibernate mode a certain time after sleep mode kicked in. Oh well, maybe this'll be fixed in SP1.

[mgo]

I'm really frustrated that there's no way to do this in Vista. In XP, it actually knew to go into hibernate mode a certain time after sleep mode kicked in. Oh well, maybe this'll be fixed in SP1.

Most of the articles about Vista's power management/Sleep/Hibernate were written months ago by computer mag hacks who did not thoroughly investigate the features in real world practical conditions.

One of the more useful articles on Sleep is this one from Wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_n ... dows_Vista

"Some significant changes have been made to Windows Vista for mobile computing.

Power management
In Windows Vista, 'Stand By' and 'Hibernate' have been combined into an additional 'Sleep' function which is active by default. When chosen, this new "Sleep" mode saves information from the computer's memory to the hibernation file on disk, but instead of turning off the computer, it simultaneously enters Standby mode. After a specified amount of time (3 hours by default), it shuts down (hibernates). If power is lost during Standby mode, the system resumes from the existing hibernate image on disk. Sleep mode, thus, offers the benefits of fast suspend and resume when in Standby mode and reliability when resuming from hibernation, in case of power loss. Also, in earlier Windows versions, drivers sometimes prevented Windows from entering or reliably resuming from a power-saving state. This problem has been solved in Windows Vista. Applications can disable sleep idle timers when needed such as when burning discs or recording media. Away mode, which is not a power plan by itself but a feature, automatically turns off displays, video rendering and sound but keeps the computer working when the user is away from the computer. Optionally, it can also switch to sleep mode. Power settings are also configurable through Group Policy."

All of my ThinkPads -will- hibernate in Vista. But...one must change settings in the actual Vista Power Management menu, not just the ThinkPad Power management.

As I have suggested in an earlier reply, go into the Vista Power Management menu and look around, especially in the areas with "+" check boxes. There, you will find options to "force" Hibernate to suit your needs. Keep in mind that there are -separate- menus for battery operation and for A/C operation. You will want to check both sides of that menu for your preferences. Microsoft has supposedly "improved" power management, but in the process, they also made it much more complex to set up.

On my ThinkPads, Fn+F4 and Fn+F12 still work for sleep and hibernate. It's just that Sleep writes more to disk, unlike the old XP which simply shut off many of the system's hardware...

[SFWrtr]

Thank you MGO for researching this.

I don't have my laptop right now (it is in Depot), but though I am pretty sure I enabled hybrid hibernate, it doesn't work as described in my experience. Pressing the power button (my config) instantly puts the machine to sleep, the moon blinking once or twice at most. Then, sometime later the machine beeps, the moon starts blinking for 1/2 minute or so with disk activity, then the machine turns off. I haven't tried pulling the battery during sleep to see if I get a hibernate recovery or not. I will review the material you point to and try again when I get my machine back. Again, thanks.

[n00b_thinkpad]

Most of the articles about Vista's power management/Sleep/Hibernate were written months ago by computer mag hacks who did not thoroughly investigate the features in real world practical conditions.

One of the more useful articles on Sleep is this one from Wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_n ... dows_Vista

"Some significant changes have been made to Windows Vista for mobile computing.

Power management
In Windows Vista, 'Stand By' and 'Hibernate' have been combined into an additional 'Sleep' function which is active by default. When chosen, this new "Sleep" mode saves information from the computer's memory to the hibernation file on disk, but instead of turning off the computer, it simultaneously enters Standby mode. After a specified amount of time (3 hours by default), it shuts down (hibernates). If power is lost during Standby mode, the system resumes from the existing hibernate image on disk. Sleep mode, thus, offers the benefits of fast suspend and resume when in Standby mode and reliability when resuming from hibernation, in case of power loss. Also, in earlier Windows versions, drivers sometimes prevented Windows from entering or reliably resuming from a power-saving state. This problem has been solved in Windows Vista. Applications can disable sleep idle timers when needed such as when burning discs or recording media. Away mode, which is not a power plan by itself but a feature, automatically turns off displays, video rendering and sound but keeps the computer working when the user is away from the computer. Optionally, it can also switch to sleep mode. Power settings are also configurable through Group Policy."

All of my ThinkPads -will- hibernate in Vista. But...one must change settings in the actual Vista Power Management menu, not just the ThinkPad Power management.

As I have suggested in an earlier reply, go into the Vista Power Management menu and look around, especially in the areas with "+" check boxes. There, you will find options to "force" Hibernate to suit your needs. Keep in mind that there are -separate- menus for battery operation and for A/C operation. You will want to check both sides of that menu for your preferences. Microsoft has supposedly "improved" power management, but in the process, they also made it much more complex to set up.

On my ThinkPads, Fn+F4 and Fn+F12 still work for sleep and hibernate. It's just that Sleep writes more to disk, unlike the old XP which simply shut off many of the system's hardware...

So I tested hybrid sleep out and it still doesn't do what I want it to do. It just goes into Sleep Mode without going into Hibernate mode after any amount of time (I left the lid closed overnight and it just stayed in sleep mode).

I also went into the Vista Power Management and changed the settings. More specifically, I went into Control Panel -> Power Options -> Edit Plan Settings -> Change advanced power settings and then opened up the '+' box for Sleep.

Since I didn't want it to sleep or hibernate when the AC adapter is connected (no need because I don't need to conserve battery then), I left the "When connected" components alone. For the "When on battery" part, I changed the "Sleep after" timer to 10 minutes and the "Hibernate after" timer to 30 minutes. "Hybrid Sleep" I left off.

Yet it still doesn't do what I want it to do.

Oh well, I'll just hibernate manually now at the end of the night by pressing Fn+F12. I'm curious to see if this is a Vista issue or simply a Thinkpad issue.