SXGA+ on a X60s (non tablet)

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mrj47 · #241 Post by **mrj47** » Tue Dec 28, 2010 4:27 am

indotoonster wrote: My understanding was that HV121P01-100 didn't have this glass screen protector, only HV121P01-101 did. I specifically ordered HV121P01-100, and the item I received clearly indicated this part number. So what gives? How can I guarantee that I get a screen *without* this glass screen protector??

The screen protector on the -100 should have been held together with foam tape, hence making it removable. Which seller did you purchase from? I am looking at doing this mod now too.

saucissemacaroni · #242 Post by **saucissemacaroni** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 5:06 pm

indotoonster wrote:Hi all,

Well, I've finally gotten over my despair and disappointment so am finally posting my experience here...

I've wanted to do this mod for several years now, and recently finally got around to sourcing the parts. I got the cable adapter from eBay UK (i.Thinkpad) and ordered a HV121P01-100 from a seller in China (from alibaba.com).

I took apart my trusty x60s, wired things up to the new screen, and lo and behold, I had FFS SXGA+ goodness from my Thinkpad! Joy! (I'm a Linux user, BTW, so I had no need for fiddling with a modded BIOS).

Now the bad news: the screen came with the glass screen protector which was bonded to the screen via super strong adhesive across the whole screen region. I (foolishly) thought I could have a go at removing it with a combination of patience, a cutter knife, and gobs of Goo Gone adhesive remover... I was actually successful until half way I must have applied a biiiit to much pressure and a crack developed on the screen It's useless now.

My understanding was that HV121P01-100 didn't have this glass screen protector, only HV121P01-101 did. I specifically ordered HV121P01-100, and the item I received clearly indicated this part number. So what gives? How can I guarantee that I get a screen *without* this glass screen protector??
Any advice or knowledge on this matter would be greatly appreciated...

Cheers,
indotoonster

Hello,

You can ask to the seller

cksubs · #243 Post by **cksubs** » Wed Feb 23, 2011 1:57 am

Anyone selling cables and/or screens for this mod? PM me or my username @ gmail.

marYn · #244 Post by **marYn** » Wed Feb 23, 2011 2:06 am

cksubs wrote:Anyone selling cables and/or screens for this mod? PM me or my username @ gmail.

You may try to ask this guy on ebay, he used to sell a cable for X6* SXGA+ mod. Maybe he has more of them or is able to build one for you.
http://myworld.ebay.co.uk/i.thinkpad/

rek · #245 Post by **rek** » Wed Feb 23, 2011 3:22 am

I think I have a cable in my office drawer somewhere, I'll take a look tomorrow.

th1 · #246 Post by **th1** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 12:06 pm

I'm very interested in this mod. at home i set together my X61s with 24 inch monitor, but when I'm away from home, 1024x768 resolution is... uncomfortable. please, can anyone give a information- where with confidence can I buy a original hyundai-boehydis hv121p01-100

tcone · #247 Post by **tcone** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 6:21 pm

indotoonster wrote: My understanding was that HV121P01-100 didn't have this glass screen protector, only HV121P01-101 did.

Well, I have built an HV121P01-101 into my x61 (the sticker says it, EDID says it), but nobody believes me.

ParatoOptimal · #248 Post by **ParatoOptimal** » Sun Apr 17, 2011 8:53 pm

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misq · #249 Post by **misq** » Wed Apr 27, 2011 10:10 pm

anyone who is selling a SXGA+ furnished X61 or X61s please do let me know

I desperately need one!

Please email me at expert.mit@gmail.com

x40Dallas · #250 Post by **x40Dallas** » Sun May 15, 2011 10:20 am

1987kevin wrote:anyone who is selling a SXGA+ furnished X61 or X61s please do let me know

I desperately need one!

Please email me at expert.mit@gmail.com

1987kevin,

The conversion is not for the faint of heart.

I just finished the conversion to SXGA on my X61s. (1.8ghx x61s with 4GB of RAM and 80gb Intel x-25 SSD, running XP like a speed demon. Now I can return the $2200 macbook air I bought because this machine is much more awesome).

It took me 3 tries, with three LCD's. I'm saving your email address, and if I ever find a machine that does what this thing does, I will offer this one up.

fasterbybike · #251 Post by **fasterbybike** » Tue May 24, 2011 12:42 am

I need some help here ...

I did this conversion on my X61 (7673) just swapping the panel with a new cable. I did not do the BIOS update because the Linux OS picked up the new resolution and the display worked fine at the correct resolution.

I now need to boot to Windows so will need to update the BIOS.
I have a copy of a bios file "X61_51NB_SXGA_NO_1802_SLIC_SATA2.WPH" which is dated 27 July 2010 17:36:23. The file size is 4,200,502 bytes.

I have followed the procedure I used to update the BIOS in my X32 / SXGA+ conversion:
1. Download the latest x61 BIOS ISO update package from the Lenovo website (http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site. ... 67983.html)
2. Compress the wph file using the phcomp.exe utility from Zender
3. Rename the compressed file to $01B2000.FL1
3. Replace the $01B2000.FL1 in the ISO file with the compressed file from step 3. The original file was 2,316,494 bytes, the replacement file is 2,317,491 bytes.
4. Burn the ISO to a CD ROM

When I reboot the X61 from the CD ROM I get into the BIOS update screens. At the Update System Program menu, I get the normal warning about "... proceeding only if technical documentation instructs you to do so."

Then I get an Error "The system program is not correct for this system". I'm assuming the file size difference from step 4 is causing a problem.

Is there another way to do the update without using the method above ? I have the other files from the archive that the wph file arrived in (winphlash.exe etc).

fasterbybike · #252 Post by **fasterbybike** » Tue May 24, 2011 1:37 am

OK, attached an external screen so I could see what was happening and then used Winphlash to update the BIOS.

Rebooted and the max resolution displayed in Windows and Linux is XGA. BIOS reports v1.60 (51NBSXGA).

I wonder if a cable detecting the EIDE has become loose ?

More later ...

tcone · #253 Post by **tcone** » Tue May 24, 2011 3:32 am

You can try to flash the image via usb thumb drive, but if the bios reports the modified image, then the flash was successfull.
At least you could give it a try, it's very easy.

1. download the X61_51NB_SXGA_NO_1802_SLIC_SATA2.WPH-Bios, MD5 a75630bcfeaa8fe93ba1fbd2eeae43dd, 4.200.502 bytes
2. insert a usb thumb drive, start the HP tool
3. check "Quickformat", "Create a Dos startup disk" and "using internal MS-DOS system files" and click "Start"
4. copy the remaining 3 files to the usb drive
5. shutdown windows, press F12 and boot from your thumb drive
6. press "y" to confirm the flash process (phlash16 tool assumes the bios file to be corrupt)

After the flash process:
Restart your tp, press F1 to enter bios -> Restart -> Load Setup Defaults -> F10 (to save configuration changes)

fasterbybike · #254 Post by **fasterbybike** » Tue May 24, 2011 6:01 am

Thx

I booted into Windoze, and used Winphlash to update the BIOS.

I'm now finding that it seems random whether I get XGA (tiled) or SXGA+ resolution. At least the BIOS update has remove dthe flickering when the display settles on XGA tiled.

The randomness would rule out a problem with the cable. I'm now thinking there may be a mobo issue ? The machine is in warranty for another 3 weeks, I think it would be wise to buy a warranty extension

indotoonster · #255 Post by **indotoonster** » Sat May 28, 2011 11:21 pm

Well, after my failed attempt at this mod, I bought an X60t(ablet) with the SXGA+ screen from the Marketplace forum, and have just been using the X60t "as is" since. I haven't really used the tablet functionality at all, and would love to get back to my X60s. My question now is: if I were to swap over the SXGA+ screen from the X60t to the X60s, is it possible to take the XGA screen from the X60s and put it in the X60t? That way at least I'd have a functional tablet that I could put on eBay (or the Marketplace!), instead of an unusable tablet carcass... would the cables and BIOS etc. work? would the digitizer work? I couldn't seem to find information on this...

Thanks in advance for any help on this!

gunston · #256 Post by **gunston** » Mon Jun 06, 2011 7:46 am

so, feasible or not?????

Any picture???

fasterbybike · #257 Post by **fasterbybike** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 5:28 am

fasterbybike wrote:Thx

I booted into Windoze, and used Winphlash to update the BIOS.

I'm now finding that it seems random whether I get XGA (tiled) or SXGA+ resolution. At least the BIOS update has removed the flickering when the display settles on XGA tiled.

The randomness would rule out a problem with the cable. I'm now thinking there may be a mobo issue ? The machine is in warranty for another 3 weeks, I think it would be wise to buy a warranty extension

Fixed it. The cable was shorting out on the pin that transmits the resolution.

indotoonster · #258 Post by **indotoonster** » Sat Jun 11, 2011 1:51 pm

indotoonster wrote:My question now is: if I were to swap over the SXGA+ screen from the X60t to the X60s, is it possible to take the XGA screen from the X60s and put it in the X60t?... would the cables and BIOS etc. work? would the digitizer work?

Sorry for the bumpage, but can anyone point me in the right direction for my query above? Thanks in advance.

papamix · #259 Post by **papamix** » Tue Jun 14, 2011 6:10 pm

Hi all,

I'm interested in performing the SXGA+ mod on an X61s. Does anyone know if this screen would work: http://www.aliexpress.com/product-gs/27 ... alers.html

My main concern is that I have seen two variants of the HV121P01-100. One with a white backplate (http://www.panelook.com/images/20110429 ... pg.big.jpg) and another with a "copper-colored" backplate (http://i.ebayimg.com/00/$(KGrHqMOKicE17 ... !~~_3.JPG). Will both do? Is one preferred over the other?

Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks,
Michael

indotoonster · #260 Post by **indotoonster** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:53 pm

papamix wrote:Hi all,

I'm interested in performing the SXGA+ mod on an X61s. Does anyone know if this screen would work: http://www.aliexpress.com/product-gs/27 ... alers.html

My main concern is that I have seen two variants of the HV121P01-100. One with a white backplate (http://www.panelook.com/images/20110429 ... pg.big.jpg) and another with a "copper-colored" backplate (http://i.ebayimg.com/00/$(KGrHqMOKicE17 ... !~~_3.JPG). Will both do? Is one preferred over the other?

Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks,
Michael

Hi there, FWIW, I believe that's the exact model that I got. I got mine off AliExpress as well, but can't remember the seller. From my posts above you will see that the screen works, but it came with the glass protective layer bonded to the panel, and I was unsuccessful in removing it

I would suggest contacting the seller first and getting confirmation that the item you will be receiving has the plastic layer (?) instead of the glass.

Hope that helps.

papamix · #261 Post by **papamix** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 7:16 pm

indotoonster wrote: Hi there, FWIW, I believe that's the exact model that I got. I got mine off AliExpress as well, but can't remember the seller. From my posts above you will see that the screen works, but it came with the glass protective layer bonded to the panel, and I was unsuccessful in removing it

I would suggest contacting the seller first and getting confirmation that the item you will be receiving has the plastic layer (?) instead of the glass.

Hope that helps.

Hi indotoonster,

Thanks for the helpful info and I'm sorry to hear about the trouble you had while removing the glass screen protector. I ended up buying this one: http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/45 ... alers.html
Apparently it even comes with the necessary LCD cable, which however I had already ordered through ebay; I guess I'll have a spare now.

Thanks again,
Michael

ken_ken · #262 Post by **ken_ken** » Sun Jun 19, 2011 12:44 am

Hi there,

In terms of the Boe Hydis SXGA+ panel installation in a X61s, I've reached a deadend whereby the top left hand corner of the LCD will not align with the LCD cover screw points with the hinge and the LCD bezel will not install at that point as well.

I have play around with the LCD cabling (eg folding in a number of ways, readjusting the double side tape mounting to the hinges etc) to sit flush against the panel without success.

Has anyone faced this particular issue? It is such a delicate and fiddly task to get this panel to sit right with all the cabling and double-sided tape in that awfully small space ...

indotoonster · #263 Post by **indotoonster** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 7:09 pm

Well, I'm still on my neverending quest to get this mod done. I've bitten the bullet and opened up my X60T to get the screen so I can install it in my X60S. Fortunately the screen had the plastic protective layer, so I managed to remove it very easily.

To cut a long story short, I've managed to get things up and running, but I still need to do some trimming here and there on the panel, hinges, antenna, etc. as per suggestions in this forum to get everything to fit into the LCD housing.

HOWEVER, I seem to get some interference/flicker, which seems not unlike what others have been discussing. I tried hooking it up back to my X60T using the original cable, and the image was clean, so I'm pretty sure the interference/flicker is being introduced by the cable adapter (I bought it off ebay last year from user i.Thinkpad)... it is completely 'naked', i.e. unshielded. Any suggestions as to what I should do? I noticed the cable adapter had some black Kapton tape wrapped on one end, but not the other, so I took some Kapton from the old LCD panel (used to tape down the antenna cables) and wrapped it on the other end. No difference. Must I use some EMI shielding apparatus? Would Kapton tape achieve this?

Any suggestions would be very much welcome...

papamix · #264 Post by **papamix** » Fri Jul 15, 2011 9:27 am

Hi indotoonster,

I recently performed this mod on a X61s and I also noticed some flicker using the cable from i.Thinkpad. To eliminate the flickering I taped three small strips of aluminum foil around the cable using kapton tape. Also try flattening out the wires in the cable adapter and make sure you minimize "wire crossings" when you bend the cable. These steps seem to have worked; I haven't noticed any flickering since. Good luck!

-Michael

indotoonster · #265 Post by **indotoonster** » Sat Jul 16, 2011 1:48 am

Hi Michael, thanks so much for the advice. It, along with the wee thumbnail from erik on page 4 of this thread, gave me the impetus to try arranging the cable in a more principled manner. I used aluminium foil as well and tried to flatten things out as much as possible.

I'm so happy, after several years, I have finally managed to complete this mod!!!...well, almost

Like ken_ken above, I still have difficulty installing the bezel in the top left corner: the screw hole aligns and I can screw it down. It's just that the panel is simply too thick at that point, so there's a wee gap between the bezel and LCD housing, which means that the latch only works when I *really* prrss down on the LCD to shut the machine, but I can live with it for now

kai · #266 Post by **kai** » Sat Aug 27, 2011 8:24 am

indotoonster wrote: Hi indotoonster,

Thanks for the helpful info and I'm sorry to hear about the trouble you had while removing the glass screen protector. I ended up buying this one: http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/45 ... alers.html
Apparently it even comes with the necessary LCD cable, which however I had already ordered through ebay; I guess I'll have a spare now.

Thanks again,
Michael

I'm thinking of doing this mod (on a X61).. did you receive a HV121P01-100 - with the correct plastic cover and the also the modified cable as well? I'm just trying to figure out what I'll need to order exactly, thanks.

papamix · #267 Post by **papamix** » Sun Aug 28, 2011 4:06 pm

Hi Kai,

Yes, I did receive the proper HV121P01-100 including the modified cable, but unfortunately the screen was in very bad condition (it had multiple scratches/blemishes). I ended up ordering a second screen, which turned out to be ok. I'm currently still in the process of returning the defective screen back. As mentioned previously in this thread, most of these screens are refurbished units so before ordering anything make sure you are willing to take the risk. It's likely that you won't get a good-quality screen on the first try.

Cheers,
Michael

dmdsoftware · #268 Post by **dmdsoftware** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 9:50 pm

papamix wrote:Hi Kai,

Yes, I did receive the proper HV121P01-100 including the modified cable, but unfortunately the screen was in very bad condition (it had multiple scratches/blemishes). I ended up ordering a second screen, which turned out to be ok. I'm currently still in the process of returning the defective screen back. As mentioned previously in this thread, most of these screens are refurbished units so before ordering anything make sure you are willing to take the risk. It's likely that you won't get a good-quality screen on the first try.

Cheers,
Michael

Where did you buy the first one (bad one) and the second one (good one)?

papamix · #269 Post by **papamix** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 10:03 pm

Bad one was from: http://www.aliexpress.com/snapshot/101563707.html (includes cable adapter)
Good one was from: http://www.aliexpress.com/snapshot/101726969.html (does not include cable adapter)

I am pretty sure that they both came from the same pool of refurbished screens. It's just a matter of luck.

smugiri · #270 Post by **smugiri** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 3:00 pm

all

After 4 weeks of trolling the German and Korean sites with Google translate, buying almost $50 of materials (kapton tape, EMI tape, copper tape, fine solder, fabric tape etc) and an $200 X61s off eBay, printing almost 50 pages of documentation so that I would have everything on hand and working off a very precise activity checklist, I just finished the conversion two nights ago. It took me 5 1/2 hours from start to finish including time to remove the donor screen from a (perfectly OK) X60t.

I butchered my X60t to get the screen. I got a very good deal on eBay for an X61s and was prepared to kill the tablet at that point: I use Linux and while the BIOS was not an issue, I was fortunate enough to get the fixed BIOS from a source that I cannot disclose. The actually dis-assembly was the easiest part since I have lots of experience with LCD replacements on X-series machines.

I bought the cable from i.thinkpad as well. When it came in, I removed and re-soldered all the wires myself. I also replaced the masking tape used to bind the soldered end with Kapton tape when I was done with soldering. Crimping seemed to have been done right and I did not have to do anything about that. I also took the 2 +3.3v lines and wrapped them separately in EMI shielding tape and deliberately run those by themselves to the LCD from the point where the harness connects to the standard connector. I was able to get a perfect picture on the first boot.

I did some things differently from the standard methodology and they worked for me: YMMV.

- when I was taking my donor LCD from the X60t, I was praying non-stop that it was the 100 and not the 101. Also praying that I had a G4 (plastic digitzer fixed with foam tape) rather than the G5 (bonded glass). Was lucky on both counts. Amen!
- I actually (deliberately) broke the ears that bind the antennae to the metal arms running up the screen. This means I could not mount the antennae in a standard way and had to kapton tape them to the LCD cover. I lost some wireless signal because of this - while the machine does not necessarily connect slower when I am close to an access point, there is certainly a longer delay in downloading when I am some distance away from the access point I am using. I think this might be because there is no contact between the LCD metal frame and the antennae. I will go back and make this contact using copper tape at some point but it is not really an issue for me now.
- my grinder 'failed' and I ended up using pliers to remove the 4 corner metal ears. 200 rocks each, back and forth, no more than 5cm at a time to avoid cracking glass - total of 50 minutes. Not for the faint of heart - this went slow, took almost an 1 hour of the 5 hours of work to do all 4 ears. Did not have to separate the glass from the frame to remove all the ears as an extra bonus. - was really worried about having to do that any introduce dust into the mix which would effectively make the panel useless
- for the bottom ears, you can take off one side (which is a earthing connector I think) by lifting the corner of the white tape and removing a screw
- I did not have to grind any of the plastic cover - not sure why I did not have to - I think it was because I took the "legs" off the antennae. Everything fitted really snug and fitted without grinding
- For the LCD bottom right underneath the bezel, I put a couple of little plastic shims about 6mm x 1mm x 1mm over each of the hinges for the LCD to sit on to prevent it sliding down on the hinge - one of each side. I used 2 width-wise strips of double sided tape to hold the LCD to the back of the LID. Had to use a little more pressure than I was comfortable with to do this. I want to go back in and use slightly wider double sided tape.
- antennae wires were a bit of a doozy to figure out - you cannot run them under the metal rail - there is not enough room to screw the rail back onto the LCD when you are done. I ended up running them right on the inside of the rail but the fit is really tight
- I had to refold the standard LCD cable to make the ThinkLight get back into place with the new configuration (thanks for the secret Erik!)
- watch which you you put the backlight plug back in: you could potentially re-plug in reverse and then its bye bye LCD

All that aside, now have an X61s LCD for sale and a digitizer for the X60t tablet as well as a ton of parts - RAM, HDD, mainboard - essentially the whole machine aside from the LCD. Will post them shortly.

I need to thank Erik for all his help (and all the modders on the German and Korean blogs) , I could not have done this mod without all the patient advice and pointers that he gave me that turned the job from an "urrhggg, I give up" project into one where I went in forewarned and forearmed. Its great to be able to stand on the shoulders of giants.

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