How can I tell if my X60t has touchscreen?

[manteiv]

Hello, all

I am a new owner of X60t, I have a thread below but I am making an new thread here about the Touchscreen:

My question is : how can I determine for sure if my X60t has the touchscreen? Is there an item in the device manager that can confirm it is a touchscreen?

If it is touchscreen, I should be able to use my finger instead of the stylus right?

The pen works but the screen does not respond to finger input. I bought this item from ebay and the vendor advertized it as having the touchscreen capability. Now I am starting to have serious doubt

The machine is 6364-am3, I installed Windows 7 ultimate. All drivers works except the unknown device ICH7M/U LPC Interface controller

Could someone who has a X60t touchscreen running Windows 7 confirm this please.

[tonipantaloni]

Your computer is defently a touchscreen, using your pen.
People get confused and they think all touchscreen you can use your finger, this is not true. you can have a touchscreen that work only with a device as a pen, a mouse etc.. and we call it also touch!
go check on IBM website, they call the finger touch a multitouch, this mean you can touch with finger and pen!

[j-dawg]

Based on this page, it looks like your model doesn't have the touch screen; the only ones that do are listed under the "touch panel" headings:

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12.1-in. XGA TFT, touch panel , digitizer assembly G4
6363-CTO, 5Ax, 7Ax, 84x, 85x, 86x, 8Ax, 8Cx, 8Dx, 8Mx, 94x, 95x, CBx, CCx, J3x, J4x, J5x, J6x, J7x, J8x, M3x, M4x, M6x
6364-CTO, 5Ax, 85x, 8Dx, J3x
6365-CTO, 8Gx, 8Lx, J9x, JAx
6366-CTO, 7Dx, 8Jx, 8Kx, 8Lx, 96x, 97x, 98x, M7x, MAx
6367-CTO
6368-CTO
7762-CTO, B3x, B4x, B5x, B6x, B9x, D3x, D4x, D5x, D6x, D7x
7763-CTO, B5x, B6x
7764-CTO, B4x, D8x
7767-CTO, C3x, C4x, B7x, B8x, BAx
7768-CTO
7769-CTO
13N7216	R	N
12.1-in. XGA TMD TFT, touch panel, digitizer assembly G4
6363-CTO, R5x, R6x
6364-CTO, R5x, R6x
13N7221	R	N

and there are a few more X61 tablet models I left out.

The AM3 is listed under the vanilla XGA heading:

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12.1-in. SXGA+ TFT, protection plate, digitizer assembly G4
6363-CTO, 2Ax, A6x, A7x, A8x, A9x, ACx, ADx, *******AMx,******* ANx, B3x, C3x, C7x, C8x, C9x, CBx, CCx, HAx, M3x, M4x, M6x
6364-CTO, 2Ax, A7x, ADx, C7x
6365-CTO, AGx, ALx
6366-CTO, AHx, AJx, ALx, APx, B4x, C4x, C5x, CAx, KAx, M7x
6367-CTO
6368-CTO

Your panel is the standard XGA pen tablet screen.

[manteiv]

So it looks like my 6364-AM3 is not Touchscreen.

Is that a big deal not being able to use your finger? will I miss a lot?

The seller on ebay from who I bought this computer has been uncooperative. His listing described the computer as ''touch'' in bold characters. He did not provide the machine code in the listing. When I saw ''touch'' I interpreted as having touch screen capability. According to him, ''touch'' means to use the pen. He claims that the IBM definition of Touchscreen is using your pen, not your finger.

He also mention that he was not responsible for the item description. He said that he is a PowerSeller for ebay and that Ebay made the listing and description for him. Is-that true?

As far as I know, since when ebay hires people to sale for them? I thought it is rather the other way around!

So should I keep escalating my complain? was I duped? what do you guys think I should do?

This was an ebay transaction but I did not use Paypal because the listing was local. I met the guy and he delivered the machine and paid him in cash. There was no OS installed so there was no way I could have known about the Touchscreen until after I installed the OS.

This guy runs a recycling computer store locally, I called him once to complain, he said he was going to review the specs and the listing etc. but he never called me back.

Anyway, I paid about $300 for this machine with the dock. Was that too much?

[koray]

None of my previous and current Thinkpad tablets had a finger touch screen and I really don't miss that feature. For $300 you had a good deal there, so if I were you I wouldn't worry. Install a fresh Windows 7 and you are good to go!..

K.

PS: Lenovo officially calls finger touch version multi-touch.

[manteiv]

Thank you guys for your input.

I will keep my machine and enjoy it. I already installed Windows 7 on it and it is working great.

I particularly enjoy the screen, not sure if it is flexview but it is pretty good to me, great view angle

[mpcook]

I had the same machine but with the touch (as in "finger") and I found that I did not use my finger after the novelty wore off. The screen ends up with lots of finger prints and smudges anyway, and it is not as precise. I discovered mine was finger sensitive when I first cleaned the screen, and saw the cursor move! Also bought on ebay.

Mike

[j-dawg]

"Flexview" was one of IBM's marketing terms for an IPS panel, much as MultiTouch is just a marketing term for a finger-touch screen. All tablets up to the X61 (not sure about the X2xx tablets) came with IPS (ie "Flexview") screens, though (as far as I know) none were advertised as such - if every tablet comes with the IPS panel, there's no need to convince people to buy it by giving it a fancy name.

Actually, having never owned an official Flexview TP, I don't know if there's anything more to the designation than the IPS panel, but I assume there is not.

[RoxyRose]

There seems to be some sort of idea on ebay that the X60 does not come with a touchscreen. I am looking to buy one with multitouch within the next 2 mths and both of two auctions:
one with a 6363-86u
and this X61 7762-B6U
say that the screens are stylus only and not touchscreen even though lenovo support online says otherwise.
Who's right? I emailed the 1st guy and he talked down to me saying none had a touchscreen and "I must mean the fingerprint reader". When I sent him links to the contrary I got a "What do you want, sparky" response.....I don't know, maybe a real answer before I buy?

[Woodenspoon]

So it looks like my 6364-AM3 is not Touchscreen.

Is that a big deal not being able to use your finger? will I miss a lot?

The seller on ebay from who I bought this computer has been uncooperative. His listing described the computer as ''touch'' in bold characters. He did not provide the machine code in the listing. When I saw ''touch'' I interpreted as having touch screen capability. According to him, ''touch'' means to use the pen. He claims that the IBM definition of Touchscreen is using your pen, not your finger.

He also mention that he was not responsible for the item description. He said that he is a PowerSeller for ebay and that Ebay made the listing and description for him. Is-that true?

As far as I know, since when ebay hires people to sale for them? I thought it is rather the other way around!

So should I keep escalating my complain? was I duped? what do you guys think I should do?

This was an ebay transaction but I did not use Paypal because the listing was local. I met the guy and he delivered the machine and paid him in cash. There was no OS installed so there was no way I could have known about the Touchscreen until after I installed the OS.

This guy runs a recycling computer store locally, I called him once to complain, he said he was going to review the specs and the listing etc. but he never called me back.

Anyway, I paid about $300 for this machine with the dock. Was that too much?

You got a good deal and it IS a touch screen, stop saying it isn't.

You got what you paid for. Touch screens are not all apple type multitouch screens. There are many types with different qualities and have been for a long time, they all go under the umbrella term of touch screen. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchscreen
read up. the seller is right, are you really going to argue with wikipedia?

even amoung multitouch screens there is a difference in quality. http://www.tipb.com/2010/01/09/iphone-w ... oid-nexus/

anyways, tablets don't really use multitouch much, the os was made for pen usage, you are running windows, not ios, and you are paying 300 dollars for a machine that can play flash movies without dying amoung other things. if you wanted multitouch flashiness you could have paid 500 dollars for an ipad.

so really, don't be a dick to the ebay seller because you bought something based on your own misconception. the seller was honest, it is a touch screen.

[RoxyRose]

so really, don't be a dick to the ebay seller because you bought something based on your own misconception. the seller was honest, it is a touch screen.

How is he being a dick to the seller? The very idea and definition of touch is with a part of the body. Touch does not qualify with a stylus only screen. When a person says touchscreen, they mean you can touch it to make it work. It is not an "umbrella" term. There are resistive (which let you use anything) and capacitive(where it has to conduct like a finger) types. Even the wiki that you yourself referred to is very specific, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchscreen :
"Secondly, it lets one do so without requiring any intermediate device that would need to be held in the hand."

That would make you the dick. Treat people with respect. You don't know him and you don't know how he thinks. To imply that he is seeing everything through "Apple" goggles is incredibly presumptive.

**edit** I find it ironic that because people are using terms incorrectly that suddenly it becomes correct. Touchscreen was never meant to mean or include Wacom style screens. However, people have been misusing as such and now people believe it qualifies.
http://computer.howstuffworks.com/question716.htm
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[Woodenspoon]

How is he being a dick to the seller? The very idea and definition of touch is with a part of the body. Touch does not qualify with a stylus only screen. When a person says touchscreen, they mean you can touch it to make it work. It is not an "umbrella" term. There are resistive (which let you use anything) and capacitive(where it has to conduct like a finger) types. Even the wiki that you yourself referred to is very specific, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchscreen :
"Secondly, it lets one do so without requiring any intermediate device that would need to be held in the hand."

That would make you the dick. Treat people with respect. You don't know him and you don't know how he thinks. To imply that he is seeing everything through "Apple" goggles is incredibly presumptive.

**edit** I find it ironic that because people are using terms incorrectly that suddenly it becomes correct. Touchscreen was never meant to mean or include Wacom style screens. However, people have been misusing as such and now people believe it qualifies.
http://computer.howstuffworks.com/question716.htm
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Did you even read the wiki? Are you going to even try arguing with that wiki? Don't even try to take part of a quote without including the rest of the sentence after which mentions stylus use. Touch screen is a term that has been around for a long time, and has always included stylus touch, multitouch is only a very recent implimentation. The fact of the matter is that he might have been causing a massive headache for the seller because of his buyers remorse, and there is no way to defend that.

Touch screen has been used to describe wacom style for a long long time. Even back in the day of palm pilots and handspring visor type devices they were described as touch screen.

Respect? If you don't do the basic leg work to understand a technology then go back at the seller for "lying" to you when they have done no such thing how is that respectful in the first place. If you are going to talk about respect, you are missing the fact that it is missing from this entire situation in the first place. You don't make the sellers life hell based on your own misconceptions.

Apple have pushed the touch interface ahead, that is for sure, but it does not mean previous implimentations are invalid. If he based his understanding off apples implimentation, that is his fault, not the buyers. Tablet pc's are meant for writing interface, not finger interface, the entire windows vs ios gui is different in that aspect. Windows is not made for finger navigation.

[RoxyRose]

LMFAO My misconceptions? I am not the original poster so don't start speaking about something I did, when I did no such thing. You don't seem to understand the basic fact that I was not the one who asked the seller to return my money. Reading comprehension 101. Not only that- why do you have to be such a jerk! The OP is asking for help and you call him a dick. Is this how you treat people on forums? Yes RESPECT. I don't give a **** if you think the OP is wrong or I am wrong, don't act like a freakin kid.

How can you use PDAs as an example? They are touchscreens that you can touch with your fingers. They use resistive screens so that you can use a stylus ALSO. Not the other way around. Do you know how a PDA works? You obviously don't. The stylii in Palms etc are just a piece of plastic and or metal. They are not conductive. They are not the same in anyway to a Wacom device or how Wacom based tablets work. Do you know how I know this? Besides a little research, I have pulled apart and put together many different Palm devices.

Wacom pen only and devices like it are special. They use a very specific device that is interacting with the screen electronically. You can not use just any stylus on it. You must use a Wacom type stylus. Try using a Palm stylus on a Wacom tablet or on a stylus only x60 tablet. It will not work. But guess what, a Palm stylus won't work on an Ipad either. Ipads use capacitive screens that respond to objects, specifically fingers, that are conductors. The most important function of a touchscreen is to be able to respond to a touch, specifically from a finger.

Here is a great example. Say a bank has an ATM installed with a screen that responds to a XYZ company stylus..and that only. According to your definition, that screen is a touchscreen. Say it doesn't come with one, so you have to buy it separately. XYZ company goes out of business and stops making the stylus. Now it is impossible to find. Is this screen still a touch screen even though there is no longer anything that will activate it? According to you, yes it still is. According to me, it never was.

Even back in the day of palm pilots and handspring visor type devices they were described as touch screen.

BECAUSE THEY ARE TOUCHSCREENS!!!! You can touch them WITH YOUR FINGER to make them work. You do not need a stylus! I have a Palm III in a bag somewhere. You want me to send it to you so you can try it?

Multitouch is just a term coined first by IBM, then by competing companies. IBM's definition of multitouch means both wacom stylus & finger. Other companies' definition are that you can use more than one finger to manipulate objects on the screen. They are not the same in anyway. Just recently people began mincing terms. If you are going to tell me that laptops like the Lifebook t4020 and Toshiba m200 which use active digitizers are touchscreens, I am not going to agree with you. Sorry, just because a bunch of misinformed people say a touchscreen is defined as a screen that responds to a specific stylus doesn't make it true. It comes to a point that without this specific stylus, it responds to no other contact but that.

Don't even try to take part of a quote without including the rest of the sentence after which mentions stylus use.

The rest of the sentence is
Touchscreens can also sense other passive objects, such as a stylus.

The operative word there is passive. Wacom stylii are not passive whatsoever.

There is no point in continuing to fight with you.

[Woodenspoon]

LMFAO My misconceptions? I am not the original poster so don't start speaking about something I did, when I did no such thing. You don't seem to understand the basic fact that I was not the one who asked the seller to return my money. Reading comprehension 101. Not only that- why do you have to be such a jerk! The OP is asking for help and you call him a dick. Is this how you treat people on forums? Yes RESPECT. I don't give a **** if you think the OP is wrong or I am wrong, don't act like a freakin kid.

Wow, just wow, you purposely misinterpret a post to rage. You know very well that "you" was not referring to you. Learn to read. You shouldn't point fingers and talk about reading comprehension 101 when clearly you fail from the start. I know you want to be on the side of the forum guy by default but that is not the way it should be. He accused the seller of lying, insulting the sellers integrity based on misconception. You think that is something we should encourage and backup? Don't talk about respect when that is what this is about, the op should man up and apologize to the seller if this is going to be about actual respect. That is what you do after wronging someone, not by picking at terminology.

How can you use PDAs as an example? They are touchscreens that you can touch with your fingers. They use resistive screens so that you can use a stylus ALSO. Not the other way around. Do you know how a PDA works? You obviously don't. The stylii in Palms etc are just a piece of plastic and or metal. They are not conductive. They are not the same in anyway to a Wacom device or how Wacom based tablets work. Do you know how I know this? Besides a little research, I have pulled apart and put together many different Palm devices.

It doesn't matter if something is conductive or not, touch screen is touch screen, and any screen you could interact with has been called as such for ages now.

Wacom pen only and devices like it are special. They use a very specific device that is interacting with the screen electronically. You can not use just any stylus on it. You must use a Wacom type stylus. Try using a Palm stylus on a Wacom tablet or on a stylus only x60 tablet. It will not work. But guess what, a Palm stylus won't work on an Ipad either. Ipads use capacitive screens that respond to objects, specifically fingers, that are conductors. The most important function of a touchscreen is to be able to respond to a touch, specifically from a finger.
Here is a great example. Say a bank has an ATM installed with a screen that responds to a XYZ company stylus..and that only. According to your definition, that screen is a touchscreen. Say it doesn't come with one, so you have to buy it separately. XYZ company goes out of business and stops making the stylus. Now it is impossible to find. Is this screen still a touch screen even though there is no longer anything that will activate it? According to you, yes it still is. According to me, it never was.
BECAUSE THEY ARE TOUCHSCREENS!!!! You can touch them WITH YOUR FINGER to make them work. You do not need a stylus! I have a Palm III in a bag somewhere. You want me to send it to you so you can try it?

You want to get mired in pedantry. You want to arbitrarily call this or that touch screen technology not a touch screen. It is a pathetic argument that holds no water. Touch screen is touch screen, this has been accepted usage for years now.

Multitouch is just a term coined first by IBM, then by competing companies. IBM's definition of multitouch means both wacom stylus & finger. Other companies' definition are that you can use more than one finger to manipulate objects on the screen. They are not the same in anyway. Just recently people began mincing terms. If you are going to tell me that laptops like the Lifebook t4020 and Toshiba m200 which use active digitizers are touchscreens, I am not going to agree with you. Sorry, just because a bunch of misinformed people say a touchscreen is defined as a screen that responds to a specific stylus doesn't make it true. It comes to a point that without this specific stylus, it responds to no other contact but that.
The rest of the sentence is
Touchscreens can also sense other passive objects, such as a stylus.
The operative word there is passive. Wacom stylii are not passive whatsoever.
There is no point in continuing to fight with you.

There is no point talking to you, that level of pedantry is simply an impenetrable wall against reason and logic.

Read it and weep.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tablet_PC
"A tablet personal computer (tablet PC) is a portable personal computer equipped with a touchscreen as a primary input device"

All your typing is for naught. That ends your argument completely. If you were right, the x60 tablet is not a tablet pc lol!

[RoxyRose]

You got a good deal and it IS a touch screen, stop saying it isn't.

You got what you paid for. Touch screens are not all apple type multitouch screens. There are many types with different qualities and have been for a long time, they all go under the umbrella term of touch screen. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchscreen
read up. the seller is right, are you really going to argue with wikipedia?

even amoung multitouch screens there is a difference in quality. http://www.tipb.com/2010/01/09/iphone-w ... oid-nexus/

anyways, tablets don't really use multitouch much, the os was made for pen usage, you are running windows, not ios, and you are paying 300 dollars for a machine that can play flash movies without dying amoung other things. if you wanted multitouch flashiness you could have paid 500 dollars for an ipad.

so really, don't be a dick to the ebay seller because you bought something based on your own misconception. the seller was honest, it is a touch screen.

By "you" you didn't mean me, you meant him. Even though you have used "you" the entire time. Never once him. So really now you are going to backtrack and say you were using it in more metaphorical sense. LOL Alright. All this time I wasn't talking to "you" either.

LOL. You do understand that you don't have to touch a screen with a wacom stylus for it to work right? You can hover it over it without touching it whatsoever for it to work. You can click on the button for left click or right click. So basically it is a screen that you use a plastic shaped item in your hand to interact with an lcd. You can't use your hand directly, you must use this piece of equipment to interact with the screen. Do you know what that sounds like to me? A mouse. A wacom stylus is just a glorified mouse. Wacom tablet PCs are just a graphic tablet combined with the lcd of a laptop. You can throw wiki's definition of a tablet at me except for a few things.
a) It's wiki. I have been using it as my argument because you are using it. It's a website where anyone can write anything. There are several examples of people writing incorrect information and it sitting there for days or even years. You know this and I know this. 10 years ago, that would not have been acceptable as a reference, but oh how things have changed.
b)Tablet PC was a term that Microsoft made famous: "According to a 2001 Microsoft definition[9] of the term, "Microsoft Tablet PCs" are pen-based, fully functional x86 PCs with handwriting and voice recognition functionality. Tablet PCs use the same hardware as normal laptops but add support for pen input." That's right...pen based! Meaning they were not concerned in the least bit about whether it was finger touch enabled or not..only that a pen worked with it. Like a wacom pen. I never argued that the X60 was not a tablet pc!
c)"A tablet personal computer (tablet PC) is a portable personal computer equipped with a touchscreen as a primary input device[1] and designed to be operated and owned by an individual." It is as clear as day in the references section that this definition is a definition from a 2009 book. 2009. Like I have been saying since my first post, this is how the majority of the public has been using the term and now this is how it has become defined. That book reads like a 2nd grader wrote it. Business Communication and Technologies in a Changing World. You want another glorious tidbit from that book?
"Most CPUs are multicore processors." p407 Yeah right! Because most CPUs (in existence) are multicore?!!! You and I know that that is such a major oversimplification of facts. Most NEW/current processors are mulitcore. With a statement like that(leaving out such an important word), I know not to take this book, where wiki is getting it statement of fact from, seriously. Changing world indeed....

Aint was never supposed to be a real word. Yet now it is. The Earth is constantly being dumbed down by misuse and misinformation, a lot of it perpetrated by the internet. Even some colleges are against the use of wikipedia as a source:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/21/educa ... pedia.html

Are you going to even try arguing with that wiki?

Yes, yes I am. But I am not going to argue with the world. People are constantly changing the definitions whether it is correct or not. So you can have the definition. Under the current conception by the mass public, pen enabled screens are also touchscreens. Fine. I am not going to argue with you anymore. That still doesn't give you a right to be a jerk to the OP. He was very civil. He was not satisfied and wanted his money back. He asked us here on the forums if he was duped. He asked us here, first, on the forums if he should escalate it further. Other posters came on here and said he got a good deal and should be satisfied. They were also civil. You came on here and called him a dick. For no reason. That makes you a dick. Some x60 tablets do come with a touchscreen that allows you to TOUCH it. If the seller did not make it clear that it was not that type of screen, then he is wrong. If I was the buyer I would not have even taken the chance of buying it with no model number. It doesn't make it right you coming to this guy's thread and being nasty to him. Grow up.

[Woodenspoon]

You purposely choose to misinterpret posts, you know very well what the "you" was referring to in the context used. I said "don't be a dick", not what you implied, so once again, you a trolling. The level of pedantry you've displayed on here is either indicitave of a troll of some severe aspergers.

and you know, the rest of what you wrote isn't even worth reading.

Simple fact is this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tablet_PC
"A tablet personal computer (tablet PC) is a portable personal computer equipped with a touchscreen as a primary input device"
That is the common and accepted usage, end of story. Get with the real world man...seriously. I take it you'd be the kind of nightmare buyer you are encouraging op to be. Your false concern for civility is just that..false.

[ajkula66]

The machine in question does have the touchscreen. Just like Panasonic CF-73 or CF-T5 do, and these are not even tablets.

ftp://ftp.panasonic.com/pub/panasonic/t ... -T5_ss.pdf

What it doesn't have is a multitouch screen. Big difference.

Unless OP specifically asked the seller about a "multitouch" application (which I honestly doubt given what I've read here) there's nothing to be upset about.

Not all sellers are crooks, but the vast majority of them are not experts either once you leave this forum, NBR and possibly a couple of other highly-specialized sources...

[pkiff]

I thought that the original poster's question was resolved half way up this thread and am only now reading the back and forth debate that followed. I realize now that someone probably should have stepped in to tone the debate down.

Folks who were following or who later come across this thread are reminded:

3. Ad hominem and personal attacks are not permitted. [...] Excessive flaming will not be tolerated.

In particular, repeated references to other users as a "d**k" OR a "j**k" are not welcome.

On the other hand, healthy debate about the use of terminology and how it should be deployed in descriptions of Thinkpads is always welcome.

Phil.

[RoxyRose]

I've been a member of this community for 4 years and have never used that d*** and j*** terminology before. I am sure other members can attest to this. There is no reason for anyone to put anyone down here. There is also no reason to have an attitude. We are all a family of Thinkpadders here. Terminology is like a living thing constantly changing and evolving. I don't see how a Wacom digitizer is qualified as a touchscreen where there is no requirement to actually touch the screen in order for it to work but there is a requirement to have the pen in order for it to work. It could have very well had been placed under the keyboard instead of inside the screen. If the definition of touchscreen has evolved to include it, I don't agree with it but I will accept it. It is unreasonable for someone to call me a troll. I have never gone onto a thread and started a problem. I came on this thread because it seemed to be a good place to ask my question which was whether the seller I was dealing with was wrong about 6363-86u not having finger touch capabilities. It's important to maintain a civil tone among adults.

[Woodenspoon]

One cannot claim any concern about civility when one is encouraging a buyer to make totally baseless accusations about a sellers honesty based on nitpicking terminology based on a definition that only exists in your own head. The simple fact is this, the companies in question have long based their product labeling on my definition of a touch screen, not yours. It is what has become accepted in common usage. And to encourage insulting the integrity of a seller based on your personal bugaboo with a term is simply not civil behavior on any level. You talk about this as if you were discussing theory in a vacumn, when the fact of the matter was that this was being discussed in the context of whether one should encourage the op to claim the seller was being dishonest.

Encouraging the attack of a seller's integrity on baseless grounds is not just uncivil, it is irresponsible. You talk about the thinkpad community, well this think pad community relies in large part on sellers who provide these lower priced second hand units. So to attack them for no good reason is an attack against the community.

There is no civility in leading someone down the path of unethical behavior.

[JaneL]

You two just don't know when to quit, do you? Take a week to think about it. When you come back, there had better be a change.

[BillMorrow]

..... some snippage here....

This guy runs a recycling computer store locally, I called him once to complain, he said he was going to review the specs and the listing etc. but he never called me back.

Anyway, I paid about $300 for this machine with the dock. Was that too much?

ok, thoughts from the margins:
1. you seem to know the seller so caveat emptor..!

2. you got a helluvadeal.. "touch" to me means touch with your finger.. but that does not seem to be a universal interpretation..

edit:
3. if the guy is local and the issue is THAT important, go see him.. otherwise its part of the cost of doing business on ebay and then paying cash.. no recourse except the ebay feedback..

@ other posters above:
uhmm, maybe the term used to describe the "touch" display should be "tap" or "pentap" so as to be more clear.. but for now the ambiguity remains, i guess..

this should be a lesson to all (and you too Rosannafe) to take whats posted on ebay with a small bit of skepticism..
ask the seller a question and if the answer(s) are crummy, then don't bid.. but first get the M/T number and then check the specs on the IBM or lenovo web site..