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ThinkPad X220 overheating

#1 Post by uni_0n » Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:59 am

Hello everyone!
I'm completely tired that my X220 on with i7-2640M CPU heats up to 96 degrees very often.
Heatsink from X230 and Arctic Cooling MX-4 thermal paste does not help.
And it feels like something is strangling my X220, I have a neighboring laptop with i7-2620m CPU, it works smoother and even at resolution of 1600x900.

What type small copper plates can I order for cooling?
Tell me the best thermal pad for cooling the chipset.
I have already chosen the thermal paste, this is Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut.

If it doesn't help, I'll sell it. I give up. :|
I'm tired. I want myself some kind of thinkpad with last good and stock i7-4712MQ CPU. :!:
X220 i7-2640M/16GB/480GB/HD IPS

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Re: ThinkPad X220 overheating

#2 Post by atagunov » Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:16 am

Hi there, not much experience with thermals - my X220 just runs I never bothered to check the temps - the fan noise is not too annoying..

But the folks over here are mentioning some "AVC" heatsinks.. Does anybody know what they are/if they're good?
When you buy the AVC, look for FRU 04W6923. There is another FRU for AVC (04W6924) but that is for the ULV CPU so it might be weaker (just an assumption)
Hmm..

I want myself some kind of thinkpad with last good and stock i7-4712MQ CPU. :!:
Is that what T440p can sport? T440p is nice and can take latest low energy IGZO panels.. On the other hand if you still prefer X220 form factor and keyboard that i7-3615QE (this is what the reddit thread linked above points to) has a CPU rating of 5174 on www.cpubenchmark.net while i7-4712MQ is just a notch above at 5199 :)
X220, 2 *T520

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Re: ThinkPad X220 overheating

#3 Post by uni_0n » Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:48 am

The T440p seems to be my dream :D
Will the t440p overheat with nvidia geforce gt 730M gpu and i7-4712mq (only 37W tdp like i5 4200M/i7 4600M) installed?
it's very good to hear that in t440p I can swap the cpu. it was considered almost impossible for me to find an X220 in top-package variant.
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Re: ThinkPad X220 overheating

#4 Post by atagunov » Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:00 am

uni_0n wrote:
Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:48 am
Will the t440p overheat with nvidia geforce gt 730M gpu and i7-4712mq (only 37W tdp like i5 4200M/i7 4600M) installed?
I'd give both reddit and this forum a search via any popular search engine..
People have tried all sorts of CPU-s in t440p
uni_0n wrote:
Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:48 am
it was considered almost impossible for me to find an X220 in top-package variant.
Well now we have the option thanks to those motherboards with quad cores soldered on!
A bit expensive, especially inclusive of 20% UK import VAT but not impossible..
I'm abstaining so far though, mostly due to price

On the one hand keyboard on X220 can feel so much better, on the other the screen in T440p can be so much better :)
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Re: ThinkPad X220 overheating

#5 Post by uni_0n » Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:40 am

And for how much can I sell my X220?
There is nothing modified (not even bios).
All stock in perfect condition with new 9 cell battery (not fabric, without deterioration).
X220 i7-2640M/16GB/480GB/HD IPS

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Re: ThinkPad X220 overheating

#6 Post by atagunov » Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:44 am

uni_0n wrote:
Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:40 am
And for how much can I sell my X220?
Interesting question.. I would probably check ebay, possibly watch a couple of them getting sold to see how much they're going for.. My gut feeling is between $120 and $200 but I find it hard to be more precise. Amount of RAM installed, presence of SSD would probably impact the price - a little. I guess people on ebay might be more willing to buy if you offer a fresh licensed Windows install. I guess they may prefer Win 10 but I don't know how well Win 10 works on X220 - I'm a Linux person. Overall cosmetic condition will matter too.

We have a Marketplace section on this forum too - you will need to specify the asking price and give an idea of postage expenses, link to photos. An "FS" (for sale) advert on this website can stay on indefinitely long - I think, though of course it will keep scrolling down the forum without responses. You can gradually lower the price if you like too by editing the post and posting updates to UP it if you like.
X220, 2 *T520

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Re: ThinkPad X220 overheating

#7 Post by axur-delmeria » Thu Mar 11, 2021 8:14 am

If you've done all you can hardware-wise (change thermal paste, clean heatsink, replace heatsink, etc.) and not find a solution, what you can do is reduce the maximum clock speed of the processor and the built-in graphics. On Windows, decrease the max processor state to 99% to disable Turbo Boost; you may set it to a lower percentage as needed (between 75-80% usually yields a good balance between temperature and performance).

Haven't tried controlling the graphics performance, but adjusting this setting may work:

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If you're running Linux, install TLP, then change the following settings:

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#CPU_BOOST_ON_AC=1
#CPU_BOOST_ON_BAT=0
First off, delete the leading # to enable the setting, then change CPU_BOOST_ON_AC from 1 to 0 (zero), This disables Turbo Boost.

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#CPU_MAX_PERF_ON_AC=100
#CPU_MAX_PERF_ON_BAT=30
Same as Windows.

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#INTEL_GPU_MAX_FREQ_ON_AC=0
#INTEL_GPU_MAX_FREQ_ON_BAT=0
#INTEL_GPU_BOOST_FREQ_ON_AC=0
#INTEL_GPU_BOOST_FREQ_ON_BAT=0
You can determine the available speeds by running

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tlp-stat -g
on a root terminal.

On my X220, I set the GPU_MAX_FREQ_ON_AC to 900 and INTEL_GPU_BOOST_FREQ_ON_AC to 1100. For BAT, I set them to 750 max, 850 boost.

To apply the new settings, run

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tlp start
on a root terminal.
Last edited by axur-delmeria on Sun Mar 14, 2021 6:55 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Daily driver: X220 4291-C91 i7-2620M

Backup: X601 Core 2 Duo T8100
Toy: X60F Core Solo U1300
On loan: X220 4291-P79 i5-2520M
In pieces: two retired but working X61Ts
RIP: 760XD 9546-U9E; X61 7676-A24; and a BOE-Hydis HV121P01-100 in failed SXGA+ mod
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Re: ThinkPad X220 overheating

#8 Post by skx » Sun Mar 14, 2021 12:35 pm

The issue is Windows. Use linux with tlp and thinkfan and your x220 will idle around 50 °C. My girlfriend s x220 is steaming hot on W10 and silent and cool on her dual boot Debian. Trash windows, its invading your privacy and it doesn't care about your old hardware.
ThinkPad X220: i5-2520M CPU 2.5GHz - 8GB RAM 1333 MHz - SSD 860 EVO 250GB - Debian - ME_cleaned
ThinkPad X230: i5-3320M CPU 3.3GHz - 8GB RAM 1600 MHz - SSD 860 EVO 500GB - Debian - ME_cleaned

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Re: ThinkPad X220 overheating

#9 Post by axur-delmeria » Sun Mar 14, 2021 6:59 pm

Ah, yes. Fan control. Something I often forget since I only need to do it right once, then just copy the config file to the new install.

There's TPFanControl for Windows, and you can set up a more aggressive fan profile. Mine is set up to kick the fan to the max above 75c.
Daily driver: X220 4291-C91 i7-2620M

Backup: X601 Core 2 Duo T8100
Toy: X60F Core Solo U1300
On loan: X220 4291-P79 i5-2520M
In pieces: two retired but working X61Ts
RIP: 760XD 9546-U9E; X61 7676-A24; and a BOE-Hydis HV121P01-100 in failed SXGA+ mod
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Re: ThinkPad X220 overheating

#10 Post by uni_0n » Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:42 pm

After sitting and thinking, I came to the conclusion, that it was pointless to sell mine pretty X220, since I invested a lot of money here and I was lucky with the purchase of some components tho.
I will order another motherboard with i7 2640m same CPU. I think I will do it with Aliexpress, because eBay isn't an option. I am sure, that this thing will be the most reasonable approach to this situation. I need to use my second laptop (it is not thinkpad or lenovo brand) for now, since my student budget does not allow. Most likely I will do it closer to autumn and before winter :P :P :P :P :P :P :eek:
X220 i7-2640M/16GB/480GB/HD IPS

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Re: ThinkPad X220 overheating

#11 Post by axur-delmeria » Mon Jun 14, 2021 7:04 am

I'm still rocking an X220-- heck, I'm actually typing this post on my second one. :lol:

Are your X220's temperatures still bad? I've noticed that my primary laptop (X220 i7-2620M) idles a bit higher (high 50s) than this X220 i5-2520M (low 50s). I've used Kryonaut paste on both. That's why sometimes I get tempted to use liquid metal despite the risks.
Daily driver: X220 4291-C91 i7-2620M

Backup: X601 Core 2 Duo T8100
Toy: X60F Core Solo U1300
On loan: X220 4291-P79 i5-2520M
In pieces: two retired but working X61Ts
RIP: 760XD 9546-U9E; X61 7676-A24; and a BOE-Hydis HV121P01-100 in failed SXGA+ mod
:cry:

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