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SOLVED: SSD for X300-14G mSATA?

#1 Post by Insomniac1971 » Fri Aug 18, 2017 10:00 am

Hi, in Denmark the price of a SSD is really steep, I'm wondering if I can use a mSATA drive instead, but are a bit concerned of connectors and compatibility.

Can I use this one: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Samsung-MMCRE ... W#shpCntId

The ones on the german Think-wiki list are either not to be found or too expensive since I need seller to be within EU, or the VAT and Tax will add to price and make the product too expensive.

Or this one http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1-8-Micro-SAT ... xy4dNS8gfa

or this one http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TOSHIBA-1-8-1 ... SwLqFV98zx

or this one http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SILICON-MEDIA ... Sw2gxY26IM

And for those without casing, do I need a heatsink of some sorts?

Hope for a quick response.

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Re: SSD for X300-14G mSATA?

#2 Post by RealBlackStuff » Fri Aug 18, 2017 10:25 am

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Re: SSD for X300-14G mSATA?

#3 Post by Insomniac1971 » Tue Aug 22, 2017 6:11 am

Hi RealblackStuff,

Have you tried that in the x300?

For me it looks like either the U3 chip or the screw, will have a problem with the "slisk" in one side of the HDD bay, when "sliding" in, have a look at the original SSD drive below

https://www.dropbox.com/s/82u7euplpo2vt ... 5.jpg?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/32azeqkkfyznc ... 0.jpg?dl=0

I'm a bit confused now, the bay in the X300 is 1.8" - how do you physically fit a 2.5" mSATA drive with adapter there?

How about the internal Mini PCI-e slot 2, would that be able to use SSD or is it only for 3G/HSDPA modem?

How about modular bay HDD/SSD adapter - do you have a part number? Or is that only for extra battery?
I don't plan on using the DVD-RW drive and have an external drive if ever needed.
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Re: SSD for X300-14G mSATA?

#4 Post by RealBlackStuff » Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:20 am

You are trying to fit a 1.8" HDD/SSD onto an mSATA adapter! :roll:

The description on that eBay link is a bit unlucky (but then, what can you expect from a Chinese...)
eBay wrote:Mini PCIe PCI-e MSATA 3x5cm SSD To 1.8" Micro SATA uSATA Adapter Converter
Should have been something like:
Adapter for Mini-PCIe mSATA (3x5cm) SSD To fit in e.g. the 1.8" drivebay.

Your 1.8" drive measures 8 x 5.5 cm
The adapter measures 7 x 4 cm
An mSATA-SSD measures 5 x 3 cm (same size as an mPCIe wifi card).
Image

Look at my pictures again, you'll see an mSATA SSD on the adapter, with a piece of plastic held in place by black tape.

For more mSATA details, check this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPK69L4seGM

And the pictures in my post were taken from my own X301.

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Re: SSD for X300-14G mSATA?

#5 Post by Insomniac1971 » Tue Aug 22, 2017 12:53 pm

Ok, I'm not confused anymore:)

So the adapter is physically smaller than the drive bay and need creditcard size plastic(attached with electrical tape) as slider for the slisks inside the drive bay!

And the Mini PCI-E mSATA drive is smaller than the Adapter. I thought they were 2.5" because thats what I read when searching ebay. Taking the modelnumber from your picture sms200s3/120G also says its 2.5" - my bad, stupid online shops in Denmark lists it as 2.5" which it clerly is not.

I already seen the video, used most of my day searching for explanation through youtube, not really finding anything about that adapter except for very badly translated video about it.

Finding a reasonable price mini pci-e msata ssd seem to be harder, since I don't want to order from China(with danish tax and custom chargers the price gets enormous, we have 25% VAT here). I like to find it inside europe, as I wont be charged extra.

What about the other options?
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Re: SSD for X300-14G mSATA?

#6 Post by ajkula66 » Tue Aug 22, 2017 1:26 pm

Insomniac1971 wrote:
Tue Aug 22, 2017 12:53 pm

What about the other options?
Your options, IMO, in order of preference:

1) Post a WTB (want to buy) ad for an mSATA drive in the forum's Marketplace, someone in EU has to have a spare.

2) Get a 1.8" SSD...not as many options, likely to be smaller and more expensive, and quite possibly older as well.

3) Buy a 1.8" spinning drive...I wouldn't but it's your machine...
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Re: SSD for X300-14G mSATA?

#7 Post by RealBlackStuff » Tue Aug 22, 2017 1:41 pm

Adapter + mSATA + piece-of-plastic will always be cheaper...

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Re: SSD for X300-14G mSATA?

#8 Post by shawross » Tue Aug 22, 2017 6:49 pm

I purchased a new msata Micron C400 128 GB SSD for testing coupled with a cheap 1.8 inch Chinese adapter cable tied to a piece of plastic and this worked well with good speeds in my X301. Currently this resides in another Laptop inserted into a 2.5 inch adapter. A msata drive will give you more flexibility.

Currently I am still using the original 64 GB Toshiba SSD which still has good speed for my X301. I also use a spinning WD scorpio blue 500 GB drive in the ultrabay.

For me 64 GB is big enough for a system drive and if you don't want to go the ultrabay route you can get a low profile 64 GB USB drive for Data like the Sandisk Ultra Fit.

With the VAT it might be cheaper to purchase a secondhand 1.8 SSD locally. Although it will be risk versus reward.
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Re: SSD for X300-14G mSATA?

#9 Post by Insomniac1971 » Mon Aug 28, 2017 4:47 am

Ok guys, in my search for an option I looked at the option from RealBlackStuff I have problem finding large enough mini pci-e msata ssd for a reasonable price that can justify this project: mini pci-e msata ssd to micro sata(usata).

I found another one I want to ask about, looks like there is an M.2 to micro sata(usata)adapter - would that work?
https://www.scan.co.uk/products/lycom-d ... 60-42-30mm

or

http://www.pricerunner.dk/pl/61-3071331 ... ign-Priser
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Re: SSD for X300-14G mSATA?

#10 Post by RealBlackStuff » Mon Aug 28, 2017 8:33 am

That adapter might work, but you'd need the exact dimensions of the adapter first, plus hopefully someone's experience with that thing.
M.2 adapters (if that's what it is) and M.2 SSDs are a lot more expensive than mSATA adapters and SSDs.
Your money, your decision.
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Re: SSD for X300-14G mSATA?

#11 Post by Insomniac1971 » Tue Aug 29, 2017 5:44 am

Why is the sandisk flash drive(not ssd) a joke - do you have personal experience with it?

I didn't mean to use it as the boot drive but as external storage combined with the original 64GB SSD.

The price in Denmark and europe on pci-e msata SSD goes above of what you would find in the US, and M.2 are quite cheaper, probably supply and demand.

https://www.everythingusb.com/mini-drives.html
http://www.pricerunner.dk/cl/36/Harddis ... e=standard
http://www.pricerunner.dk/cl/36/Harddis ... e=standard
http://www.pricerunner.dk/cl/36/Harddis ... e=standard
http://www.edbpriser.dk/hardware/ssd-so ... e&rlm=List
http://www.edbpriser.dk/hardware/ssd-so ... e&rlm=List
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Re: SSD for X300-14G mSATA?

#12 Post by RealBlackStuff » Tue Aug 29, 2017 9:36 am

I thought you were gonna use that USB as your main drive, sorry.
For external storage it's OK I assume.

Wow, that's indeed quite a price difference between M.2 and mSATA.
I have no experience with M.2 so I can't tell you which one would be your best bet.
You'd better get the proper dimensions of those M.2 drives, they might be too long to fit on an adapter in the X30x bay.

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Re: SSD for X300-14G mSATA?

#13 Post by Insomniac1971 » Tue Aug 29, 2017 10:36 am

I found an 1.8" SSD second hand but not sure if it will fit as I read somewhere that it is 8mm

Are there difference in mm on 1.8" drives?

Its this one SSDSA1MH160G1HP
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Re: SSD for X300-14G mSATA?

#14 Post by RealBlackStuff » Tue Aug 29, 2017 10:58 am

Among others I have a (bad) 8mm Toshiba 250GB HDD, which I just keep for reference.
I also have a 5mm Intel 160GB SSD and a 4mm Toshiba 128GB SSD, all are 1.8" and fit in my X301 machines.

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Re: SSD for X300-14G mSATA?

#15 Post by Insomniac1971 » Tue Aug 29, 2017 11:34 am

When searching for that drive on the net, there is not much info to find from HP and some site qoute this as mSATA but looking at the photos it looks like micro SATA - could it be mSATA inside micro SATA package or am I missing something

https://www.dba.dk/intel-hp-ssd-160-gb- ... illeder/1/

A bit more research, it would seem that its this drive
https://ark.intel.com/en/products/56588 ... s-34nm-MLC
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Re: SSD for X300-14G mSATA?

#16 Post by RealBlackStuff » Tue Aug 29, 2017 12:56 pm

My (almost the same) 160GB Intel SSD also came from a HP:
SSDSA1M160G2HP (mine, HP P/N: 583511-001)
SSDSA1MH160G1HP ("yours" for comparison)

I'd say get whatever is affordable, preferably new.

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Re: SSD for X300-14G mSATA?

#17 Post by Insomniac1971 » Wed Aug 30, 2017 5:29 am

New is out of the question, then I might as well buy another second hand laptop with 2.5" drive bay and bigger 250 -320GB HDD. The price is really up there on new SSD, but low on second hand Thinkpads.

I'm in the middle of dealing with the owner of that HP SSD, so lets hope I get it:)
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Re: SSD for X300-14G mSATA?

#18 Post by Insomniac1971 » Wed Aug 30, 2017 6:58 am

OT: RealBlackStuff, what do you use of OS on your X301? Hows your batterytime and which battery?

My plan is to run Peach OSI(xubuntu 16.04 LTS) on the 160GB HDD - I'm currently running Peach OSI 14.04 LTS as the only OS, on my R500(which is my main driver), and been doing that for about 2 years, not planning on ever going back to Windows (especially 8/10), but where you can run linux from USB its a bit harder doing that with windows 7 and it will slow down so you can't really use your system(tried it) - So I need windows for flashing tools on the original HDD and then just swapp it in when needed. The current install on my R500 takes up 13.8GB(with all my programs) where windows would take 23GB(with drivers, but before installing all my programs). On the X300 64GB HDD, dual boot is out of the question, even with the 160GB - since I need space for download of image files and iso's + other things.

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Re: SSD for X300-14G mSATA?

#19 Post by RealBlackStuff » Wed Aug 30, 2017 8:23 am

I have one X301 with a Crucial C300 (128GB) 1.8" SSD and W7-Pro.
Lenovo/Sanyo battery from 2009, 645 cycles, left 25.56Wh/43.20Wh org.
FRU 42T4643, ASM: 42T4523

And another X301 with a Samsung (128GB) mSATA SSD on adapter/creditcard and W8.1-Pro.
Chinese knock-off battery from 2014, unknown cycles, left 39.28Wh/39.80Wh org.
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Re: SSD for X300-14G mSATA?

#20 Post by Insomniac1971 » Tue Sep 05, 2017 8:36 am

Hi again, I got the 160GB HP drive and are about to test it, then install Peach OSI 16.04 LTS 64bit on it.

RealBlackStuff - I meant how long time you can get your x301 to run on battery, I'm trying to figure out how to squeeze about 3hrs battery time(or more) out of my x300 possibly with an bay battery.

Just found out that my battery(SANYO 42T4522) has about 49% capacity left, so time for new battery next month:)
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Re: SSD for X300-14G mSATA?

#21 Post by RealBlackStuff » Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:12 am

Never timed how long the battery lasts, as I use my desktop most of the time.
These X301 machines are just part of my collection of dust-gatherers.

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Re: SOLVED: SSD for X300-14G mSATA?

#22 Post by Insomniac1971 » Wed Sep 06, 2017 5:08 am

Thank you to all of you for your answers, My new(second hand) SSD works great and boot time is 35 seconds and then I can use the laptop.

I now run Peach OSI 16.04 LTS TW 64bit on this one and everything works Out of the box. Just needed to upgrade and update Peach to solve some problems with the new "software" center(ubuntu problem, not Peach). If anyone want to try this linux version then wait for the newer version of Peach OSI because Jim(the author) is trying to fix the problems Ubuntu have not yet addressed and he will then upload a newer version on the homepage https://www.peachosi.com/.

For those(like me) who can't wait, I have written a small guide on how to fix this:

https://jbj-tech-notes.blogspot.dk/2017 ... -1604.html

The advantages of this distro to others:, it's allot more Thinkpad friendly and the author has support by email and FB messenger.

I run this on an R500, X300, USB stick
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