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The definitive X301 SSD upgrade thread

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Re: The definitive X301 SSD upgrade thread

#91 Post by Seweryn » Tue Sep 04, 2018 8:02 am

Apologies for bumping this thread, however I am really confused with the SSD and would like to finally upgrade my X301 with one.

A quick question then - is this a good product and would it fit to the X301 (or similar recommendations)?

https://tinyurl.com/y8q5swsc

Do I need a converter to fit this into the dedicated slot?

I still can't get my head around between mSATA (is it 2.5" by default?), uSATA (is this 1.8" if not described otherwise?), micro SATA, etc.

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Re: The definitive X301 SSD upgrade thread

#92 Post by RealBlackStuff » Tue Sep 04, 2018 10:50 am

For that linked drive (which is mSATA) you'll need an adapter such as I have posted earlier in this thread.
mSATA and uSATA are the same.
Standard SATA laptop drives are/almost used to be 2.5"
Standard SATA desktop drives are/almost used to be 3.5"


For different xxxSATA types, see also this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gCNjZl8lTo
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Re: The definitive X301 SSD upgrade thread

#93 Post by johnmcdonnell » Tue Sep 04, 2018 12:00 pm

The Aleratec mSATA SSD to 1.8" micro SATA Drive Converter that is often recommended for the X301 seems to be out of stock everywhere.

The Addonics ADMS18SA mSATA SSD to 1.8" micro SATA Adapter is an identical product and is currently available here: https://www.addonics.com/products/adms18sa.php

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Re: The definitive X301 SSD upgrade thread

#94 Post by Seweryn » Tue Sep 04, 2018 2:33 pm

Thank you Guys,

I have ordered that Samsung SSD and the adapter card also. Will see what's next. Maybe I will add more RAM once I am at it :).
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Re: The definitive X301 SSD upgrade thread

#95 Post by shawross » Tue Sep 04, 2018 4:50 pm

Assuming you are running a 64 bit OS the X301 will run fine with 4GB but if you want to increase the ram IMO 6GB is the sweet spot.

The core 2 duo systems are not quite as ram hungry as the Icore series which followed.
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Re: The definitive X301 SSD upgrade thread

#96 Post by Seweryn » Tue Sep 04, 2018 5:11 pm

shawross wrote:
Tue Sep 04, 2018 4:50 pm
Assuming you are running a 64 bit OS the X301 will run fine with 4GB but if you want to increase the ram IMO 6GB is the sweet spot.

The core 2 duo systems are not quite as ram hungry as the Icore series which followed.
I will run a 64 bit probably on fresh installation.

Does 8 GB make sense? And secondly from the list of available options is there an advantage in getting say DDR3-1600 vs DDR3-1333?

At the moment there are two 2 GB modules in the machine (Pc3-8500 Ddr3 1066MHz FRU 43R1969).
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Re: The definitive X301 SSD upgrade thread

#97 Post by ajkula66 » Tue Sep 04, 2018 8:52 pm

Seweryn wrote:
Tue Sep 04, 2018 5:11 pm


Does 8 GB make sense?
More RAM always makes sense in my book, unless it's prohibitively expensive...
And secondly from the list of available options is there an advantage in getting say DDR3-1600 vs DDR3-1333?

At the moment there are two 2 GB modules in the machine (Pc3-8500 Ddr3 1066MHz FRU 43R1969).
I'd stick with 8500 RAM in the ThinkPads of this era. They can be quite boneheaded with newer/faster RAM. Do yourself a favour though, and stay away from "no name" and "value brand" offerings if you're going through the trouble and expense of upgrading the RAM in the first place.
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Re: The definitive X301 SSD upgrade thread

#98 Post by shawross » Wed Sep 05, 2018 4:30 pm

Seweryn wrote: Does 8 GB make sense?
From my experience 6 GB helps marginally but 8 GB is questionable and I tested my X301 with both. If you need 8 GB you are probably over extending your X301. I run 8 GB in my X220.

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Re: The definitive X301 SSD upgrade thread

#99 Post by Seweryn » Thu Sep 06, 2018 2:42 am

shawross wrote:
Wed Sep 05, 2018 4:30 pm

From my experience 6 GB helps marginally but 8 GB is questionable and I tested my X301 with both. If you need 8 GB you are probably over extending your X301. I run 8 GB in my X220.

It's your machine and your money. Good luck
Thanks,

It is not a question of requirements (I could live with 4 GB), but more about if there is any gain from installing maximum amount of RAM in this machine. But I guess the RAM upgrade will not give much extra performance.
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Re: The definitive X301 SSD upgrade thread

#100 Post by shawross » Thu Sep 06, 2018 4:45 am

The dual IDA mod with Throttle stop will give you an extra 200 MHz per core and keeping the system debloated and light will be your best options with the X301.

For the display if you can calibrate the display then you should find it tolerable.

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Re: The definitive X301 SSD upgrade thread

#101 Post by RealBlackStuff » Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:56 am

There still seems to be a lively interest in these machines.
Anybody interested in buying?
I have two great X301 machines sitting in my cupboard, getting bored with doing nothing.
PM me if interested.

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Re: The definitive X301 SSD upgrade thread

#102 Post by Seweryn » Thu Sep 06, 2018 5:04 pm

The converter board with the new SDD looks smaller than the old HDD :cry:

Is that the right size? Not sure if I can upload the photo, but the old HDD is slightly larger...

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Re: The definitive X301 SSD upgrade thread

#103 Post by shawross » Thu Sep 06, 2018 5:41 pm

Yes the adapter or converter board is smaller but we normally cable tie or tape the board to a piece of plastic so it doesn't flap around in the slot.

Also you will need a flap so to speak to make it easy to withdraw.

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Re: The definitive X301 SSD upgrade thread

#104 Post by PierU » Sun Jan 20, 2019 5:39 pm

Hi,
johnmcdonnell wrote:
Tue Sep 04, 2018 12:00 pm
The Aleratec mSATA SSD to 1.8" micro SATA Drive Converter that is often recommended for the X301 seems to be out of stock everywhere.

The Addonics ADMS18SA mSATA SSD to 1.8" micro SATA Adapter is an identical product and is currently available here: https://www.addonics.com/products/adms18sa.php
The latter seems to be out of stock as well :(

Will any other adapter (*) do, or are there constraints to be known (or adapters that are known to not be suited to the X301) ?

(*) edit : such as this one https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B00AEQ92FO/
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Re: The definitive X301 SSD upgrade thread

#105 Post by shawross » Sun Jan 20, 2019 6:27 pm

I can't see any constraints with the X301 in this scenario. I did some testing a few years back with a cheap Chinese adapter and it worked fine. YMMV

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Re: The definitive X301 SSD upgrade thread

#106 Post by johnmcdonnell » Sun Jan 20, 2019 6:28 pm

PierU wrote:
Sun Jan 20, 2019 5:39 pm
Hi,

The latter seems to be out of stock as well :(

Will any other adapter (*) do, or are there constraints to be known (or adapters that are known to not be suited to the X301) ?

(*) edit : such as this one https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B00AEQ92FO/
The adapter you linked to should work fine. It appears to be the same design as the one discussed in the recent post about the X301 on Reddit here.

Since it is a little smaller than the Aleratec / Addonics adapters it might help to use a piece of cardboard or thin foam to hold it in place more securely.

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Re: The definitive X301 SSD upgrade thread

#107 Post by PierU » Mon Jan 21, 2019 2:34 am

johnmcdonnell wrote:
Sun Jan 20, 2019 6:28 pm
The adapter you linked to should work fine. It appears to be the same design as the one discussed in the recent post about the X301 on Reddit here.

Since it is a little smaller than the Aleratec / Addonics adapters it might help to use a piece of cardboard or thin foam to hold it in place more securely.
Thanks ! I'll post the result if I go for it...
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Re: The definitive X301 SSD upgrade thread

#108 Post by RealBlackStuff » Mon Jan 21, 2019 8:44 am

This is what such a mod looks like:
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Re: The definitive X301 SSD upgrade thread

#109 Post by PierU » Sat Jan 26, 2019 6:37 pm

I replaced the SSD:

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Re: The definitive X301 SSD upgrade thread

#110 Post by mikemex » Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:19 am

I wouldn't run a cheap Chinese adapter in such a critical application. There might be issues with poor soldering or connectors that are not gold plated. That might introduce data corruption in the long run.

Buy a real 1.8" drive instead, they are still available. But be warned: space aside, the Samsung SLC drive that came with the machine is your best option for battery life (it's rated at 0.32A @ 3.3v).

I first tried with an IBM drive (TX21B1) and it's very power thirsty (2A @ 3.3v). It's a considerable difference in power consumption and it certainly shows in use. I ended upgrading mine with an intel S3610 rated at 1.3A @ 3.3v. Of course, we're talking about enterprise-grade drives; they have much better endurance than a regular drive and are much more reliable (they have power loss protection built it; kind of an integrated mini UPS). So, unlike commercial drives, you actually pay extra energy for something.

Although the new drive is faster, the difference is not as dramatic as coming from a spinning drive. They are both SSD, after all. I did it for the space, mostly (both drives I tried are 400GB). I never really had any complains about the original Samsung SLC drive other than being too small (64GB).
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Re: The definitive X301 SSD upgrade thread

#111 Post by PierU » Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:49 am

Real 1.8" SSD drive are still available, but are also horribly expensive (at least they were 2 years ago). It doesn't make a lot of sense to buy an expensive drive for a 10+ years old machine...

The chinese adapter was working well (I no longer have the X301). I have used for other purposes some other basic/generic drive adapters, and never had a problem with them.

That said, at that time I probably changed the drive for a bad reason: the SMART report was showing an end-of-life for the TBW attribute... which is only "theoretical". Other attributes were OK, and the drive may have run fine for a longer time.
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Re: The definitive X301 SSD upgrade thread

#112 Post by mikemex » Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:09 pm

PierU wrote:
Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:49 am
Real 1.8" SSD drive are still available, but are also horribly expensive (at least they were 2 years ago).
Nope, I paid $40 for a 400GB S3610 (I actually bought a bunch of them). Brand new, sealed. I know it's not the usual price (I'm good at finding deals) but they can be had easily for a little more. (I paid $50 for the TX21B1).

Why? Because SSDs are no longer rare and expensive; pretty much every computer shipping now has one. Demand is so high, supply has also grown significantly to meet it (two years is a lot of time in computing). Given how cheap and easy it is to put your hands in one now, why would anyone want to use a obscure and "obsolete" format that doesn't even fit most computers without a rare adapter?
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It doesn't make a lot of sense to buy an expensive drive for a 10+ years old machine...
Neither does bringing a child with cancer to the medic, because:

1) Chances of survival are low and, if he's going to die anyway, anything you spend on him will be wasted (money, time, etc.).
2) If you can still have more children, you can replace him.

Good thing parents all around know better. You see, when people start talking about things "making sense", they always forget telling you what's the criteria to judge that. And parents' criteria is not "efficiency of resources". It's the welfare of their child.

My criteria is that Lenovo never released a true substitute for the X301. If I decided to "upgrade", I would trade something that's truly important for me:

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5) A removable battery. Two of them, actually.

(And now, with the new drive I just installed, it has an endurance rated in petabytes (rather than terabytes), with an integrated bank of capacitors that prevent it from getting corrupted when power is lost.)

For something I don't really need, which is performance. From that perspective, spending resources on this "10+ year old" laptop so I can keep using it happily (and happily I use it) makes a lot of sense.
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Re: The definitive X301 SSD upgrade thread

#113 Post by PierU » Fri Sep 17, 2021 2:12 am

mikemex wrote:
Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:09 pm
Nope, I paid $40 for a 400GB S3610 (I actually bought a bunch of them). Brand new, sealed. I know it's not the usual price (I'm good at finding deals) but they can be had easily for a little more. (I paid $50 for the TX21B1).
Good for you if you got such a good deal. But still, the usual situation is "1.8 drives are horribly expensive nowadays". I spent quite a lot of time to find one two years ago, and the reasonnably priced ones were either used/refurbished or a bundle mSata+adapter (and anyway twice the price compared to separately buying the mSata drive and the adapter). Sometimes the mSata drive was enclose in a 1.8" case so you could think it was a genuine 1.8, but it was not.

But OK : can you point me to a site that sells reasonnably priced genuine 1.8" drives right now ?
Why? Because SSDs are no longer rare and expensive;

Obviously true. But 1.8" drives (be they HDD or SSD) are. And this even worse than 2 years ago, as 1.8" drives have been dropped in consumer/prosumer products for years now (replaced by M2 drives).
Neither does bringing a child with cancer to the medic, because:
Wait... are you really comparing a child with cancer to a heap of silicon ?? This is outrageous...
My criteria is that Lenovo never released a true substitute for the X301.

One could argue that the X1 Carbon is a quite nice substitute :)

But that's not the point. I like the idea of using old machines as long as possible, I am still occasionally using a X60s, and giving up the X301 was not my choice (long story). However, 10 years old laptops have limitations and are sometimes unable to perform some tasks that are easily performed by recent budget computers (videoconferencing with the X301 3 years ago was painful : it doesn't have hardware support for encoding/decoding the up-to-date video streams, so the CPU was heavily solicited and the fan was constantly blowing at full speed; just an example). So yes, putting a lot of money to upgrade a single component doesn't really make sense to me, and especially if there exists cheaper solutions (such as an adapter).
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Re: The definitive X301 SSD upgrade thread

#114 Post by mikemex » Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:45 am

PierU wrote:
Fri Sep 17, 2021 2:12 am
But OK : can you point me to a site that sells reasonnably priced genuine 1.8" drives right now ?


Get a S3610, brand new, sealed in box, for $50.
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Re: The definitive X301 SSD upgrade thread

#115 Post by PierU » Sat Sep 25, 2021 7:14 am

OK, that's a good deal (or rather was a good deal, as the item is out of stock as of today). You are probably lucky in the US: I have checked again ebay in Europe, and although there are actually more offers than 2 years ago, it is still impossible to find a new 1.8" SSD of 128GB or more for less than 100€ (120$). At 50$ yes I would have bought a 1.8" drive instead of mSata+adapter. Ordering in the US is not really a solution, as the vendors add huge shipping rates (it was 50$ more for this one) and one has to pay the VAT and possibly custom duties on reception.
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Re: The definitive X301 SSD upgrade thread

#116 Post by mikemex » Sat Sep 25, 2021 12:15 pm

PierU wrote:
Sat Sep 25, 2021 7:14 am
OK, that's a good deal (or rather was a good deal, as the item is out of stock as of today). You are probably lucky in the US: I have checked again ebay in Europe, and although there are actually more offers than 2 years ago, it is still impossible to find a new 1.8" SSD of 128GB or more for less than 100€ (120$). At 50$ yes I would have bought a 1.8" drive instead of mSata+adapter. Ordering in the US is not really a solution, as the vendors add huge shipping rates (it was 50$ more for this one) and one has to pay the VAT and possibly custom duties on reception.
Get an almost new S3700 (which is even better quality than the S3610), shipped for free from Hunagry, for $70.
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Re: The definitive X301 SSD upgrade thread

#117 Post by shawross » Sat Sep 25, 2021 7:30 pm

Interesting reading about the cheap drives. I am still using the original 64GB SSD which still does the job for me and I have a 500GB spinner in the bay.

When I purchased my X301 back in 2015 I actually bought 2 units for 150 AUD each. My spare unit still looks as new.

I am still happy to keep using the X301 with Windows 7. I found with Linux the display isn't as good.

Lenovo invested a lot into the X301 and it is a pity they stopped there.
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Re: The definitive X301 SSD upgrade thread

#118 Post by kaczor47 » Fri Nov 25, 2022 12:13 am

Hello, sorry to resurrect an old thread to ask a noob question...

I have an original SSD drive that came out of an X301 (which I no longer have). I need to access the data on it, and so I am trying to source an adaptor (I have an SSD enclosure). But I am a bit confused about the form factor - is this an standard mSATA? Apologies for a trivial question, but the tabook simply says 1.8" wide SATA.

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Re: The definitive X301 SSD upgrade thread

#119 Post by axur-delmeria » Fri Nov 25, 2022 1:38 am

IIRC the X301 uses 1.8 inch Micro SATA SSDs, which have long been discontinued.

You'd need something like this: https://www.amazon.com/Micro-SATA-1-8-2 ... B004HPDDG2.
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