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T420s ~ as in "sleek" ???

#1 Post by Annecy » Wed Jul 04, 2018 3:21 pm

So ...
I just ... (in June ... 2018) bought a T420s ... off of eBay ...
This will be my first x64 OS (& 1st SSD) laptop ... 8)

I'm (atm / for various reasons) considering
taking the included SSD out of the T420s
and "installing" that SSD in the T60 of mine
that (also) in June2018 received a CPU "transplant" ...

I suppose a 256gb (or 320gb) SSD for the T420s would be OK :?:
I'm going to need (to source) a HDD UltraBay caddy ...
seeing as no data storage will be done on the primary/install SSD ...
The following:
Lenovo T420s UltraBay-HHD ForumThread
:arrow:
hausman wrote:
Tue Jul 31, 2012 6:48 pm
"There are two versions of the Ultrabay adapter, one 9.5mm thick (43N3412) and the other 12.7mm thick (0A65623.)"
hiro wrote:
Wed Aug 01, 2012 8:50 am
"You are correct you can use both 43N3412 and 0A65630 in your T420s both are listed as compatible."
Just curious :?
Are there any Serial UltraBay caddies that (would) accept a P/ATA HDD :?:
I know there are/were P/ATA UltraBay caddies that accept SATA HDDs ...


I'm also wondering :?
What RAM configuration would be appropriate :?:
8 or 16gb :?: any special "flavor" of RAM :?:
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Re: T420s ~ as in "sleek" ???

#2 Post by axur-delmeria » Wed Jul 04, 2018 3:32 pm

The T420s supports mSATA SSDs in the WWAN slot. That way you don't need to buy an Ultrabay HDD carddy.
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Re: T420s ~ as in "sleek" ???

#3 Post by Annecy » Wed Jul 04, 2018 3:35 pm

Does the T420s "UltraBay" HDD caddy ...
deliver some real SATA ... performance :?:

Using an SSD ... as a "DataDisk" ...
might not (often/ever) be ... the thing to do ...
I suppose I'll want a some good/HighRPM SATA3 HDDs ...
as/for "DataDisks" ... in a T420s UltraBay Caddy :Nice:

There is (seemingly) NOT much discernible performance differential ...
across HDDs ... in a T4x/T6x UltraBay Caddy ...
So ...
I can use my fast/er High/er RPM HDDs ...
in the T420s UB ...
and my 5400RPM HDDs ...
in my T4x/T6x "machines" :??: :jhem:

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Re: T420s ~ as in "sleek" ???

#4 Post by axur-delmeria » Wed Jul 04, 2018 3:47 pm

The issue with the T4x/T6s Ultrabay is that is's actually an IDE/PATA interface, and the caddy contains an IDE to SATA bridge chip. Such a setup reduces the maximum transfer speed to around 100 megabytes/sec.

The T420s Ultrabay has a native SATA interface-- IIRC it's SATA III, with a theoretical maximum speed of 600 megabytes/sec.
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Re: T420s ~ as in "sleek" ???

#5 Post by Annecy » Wed Jul 04, 2018 4:05 pm

axur-delmeria wrote:
Wed Jul 04, 2018 3:32 pm
"The T420s supports mSATA SSDs in the WWAN slot. That way you don't need to buy an Ultrabay HDD carddy."
Ah, yes ... mSATA ...
another 1st ... for me ...
What about putting the Windoze "SwapFile/Hibernation" files there :?:
What is the max mSATA "DataDisk" option :?:

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Re: T420s ~ as in "sleek" ???

#6 Post by axur-delmeria » Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:40 am

Annecy wrote:
Wed Jul 04, 2018 4:05 pm
Ah, yes ... mSATA ...
another 1st ... for me ...
What about putting the Windoze "SwapFile/Hibernation" files there :?:
What is the max mSATA "DataDisk" option :?:
IMO, it's better to increase the RAM rather than put the swap file on an SSD. Also, I believe the fast boot times that come with SSDs make hibernation unnecessary.

With regards to maximum mSATA SSD size, a quick Amazon search would prove useful.
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Re: T420s ~ as in "sleek" ???

#7 Post by Annecy » Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:27 am

Annecy wrote:
Wed Jul 04, 2018 3:21 pm
"So ...
I just ... (in June ... 2018) bought a T420s ... off of eBay ...
This will be my first x64 OS (& 1st SSD) laptop ... 8)
"
I've always partitioned my (nonSSD) HDDs ...
and given the install partition/s (exactly) uniform "sizes"/capacities ~
to facilitate cloning/backups ...

I'm wondering about ... how to proceed ... with an SSD :?: :?
Any "differences" ... from "how I've always done it :?:"

I could/would still use PartedMagic/GParted :?:

One difference seemingly would be ... that ...
I would only create two (2) partitions ...
and that the 2nd partition would be ... "blank";
i.e., not used for anything ~
the SSD, however, would (still) avail itself of the entire capacity :?:

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Re: T420s ~ as in "sleek" ???

#8 Post by evening_hunger » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:46 am

There is no difference, partition your ssd as you see fit.
x320/i7-2620M/8GB/256gb.ssd/FHD13.3''IPS/debian_testing (main driver)
x230/i5/8GB/500gb.hdd+256gb.m2ssd/IPS/debian_stable+win7 (better half)

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Re: T420s ~ as in "sleek" ???

#9 Post by axur-delmeria » Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:34 am

I don't see a problem with partitioning SSDs. You only need to properly align the partitions --usually at multiples of 1MB (1,048,576 bytes).
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Re: T420s ~ as in "sleek" ???

#10 Post by Annecy » Tue Jul 17, 2018 9:43 pm

axur-delmeria wrote:
Wed Jul 04, 2018 3:32 pm
"The T420s supports mSATA SSDs in the WWAN slot.
That way you don't need to buy an Ultrabay HDD carddy.
"
I did NOT initially/immediately realize/intuit ... that ...
the above implies installing the OS on the mSATA :idea:
Seems "the GreatDebate" centers around
the mSATA SATAII vs SSD SATAIII threshold ~
according to the following:
mSATA vs SSD as Install HDD
Any "opinions" :?:

Which mSATA capacity/size would be ... sufficient :?:
Are "larger" mSATA HDDs "advantaged" ...
in terms of performance/life ...
like SSD HDDs are :?:

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Re: T420s ~ as in "sleek" ???

#11 Post by axur-delmeria » Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:09 am

SATA II vs SATA III performance threshold? It exists, but you probably won't notice it too much.

mSATA SSD size: don't get anything smaller than 120GB, unless you're using Linux only. If you can find a 240-250GB SSD at a good price, get it. It's always good to have extra free space. :D

Having said that, I managed to cram both Windows 7 and Linux into a 60GB mSATA SSD on my X220-- but this only works because I use Linux primarily, so there's little chance for Windows to get bloated with temp files, and other cruft. When the time comes that I'd need to replace it I'd get a 120GB.


Like normal SSDs, larger-capacity mSATA SSDs are generally faster than the smaller ones.
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Re: T420s ~ as in "sleek" ???

#12 Post by Annecy » Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:59 pm

axur-delmeria wrote:
Wed Jul 04, 2018 3:47 pm
"The issue with the T4x/T6s Ultrabay is that is's actually an IDE/PATA interface,
and the caddy contains an IDE to SATA bridge chip.
Such a setup reduces the maximum transfer speed to around 100 megabytes/sec.
"
Yes, I'm aware of the T6x/T4x P/ATA/IDE ~SATA UltraBay "issues" ...
I previously compliled/posted some CDM BenchMark #s

axur-delmeria wrote:
Wed Jul 04, 2018 3:47 pm
"The T420s Ultrabay has a native SATA interface-- IIRC it's SATA III,
with a theoretical maximum speed of 600 megabytes/sec.
"
That 7200rpm SATAIII HDD referenced (by me) ... in the above thread ...
(seemingly) will perform no better :evil: (for me :?:)
in the T420s SATAIII UltraBay Caddy ... than ... in the T61 SATAII main-HDD-bay; e.g. :arrow:

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Re: T420s ~ as in "sleek" ???

#13 Post by Annecy » Tue Jul 31, 2018 6:59 pm

Annecy wrote:
Tue Jul 17, 2018 9:43 pm
axur-delmeria wrote:
Wed Jul 04, 2018 3:32 pm
"The T420s supports mSATA SSDs in the WWAN slot.
That way you don't need to buy an Ultrabay HDD carddy.
"
I did NOT initially/immediately realize/intuit ... that ...
the above implies installing the OS on the mSATA :idea:
Yesterday I FINALLY attempted a W7 (x64) install ... onto the mSATA ...
that was "fraught" with "Trial&Error" ...
however, ultimately with SUCCESS :thumbs-UP:

ANYWAY ...
While poking around in the T420s BIOS,
in/under the ANTI-THEFT "section",
I was NOT happy :roll: to find/see COMPUTRACE ...
I've been reading (&reading) about COMPUTRACE ...
(not only @round
TP.c)
rkawakami wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2010 6:55 pm
"The Computrace system is a fairly recent addition (about two years ago).
Part of it is built into the BIOS so that's what you are seeing.
My understanding is that there's three options: enabled, disabled, permanently disabled.
You should be able to check the setting somewhere in the ... BIOS.
"
SO ...
What course/s of action might I take :?: :help:
Simply change the BIOS setting to DISABLED ...
& accept/disregard the warning that
the result will be a PERMANENT DISABLING
:??:


What about the accompanying/non-CompuTrace Anti-Theft BIOS section :?:

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Re: T420s ~ as in "sleek" ???

#14 Post by Hans Gruber » Wed Aug 01, 2018 1:34 pm

You want to permanently disable computrace in your bios in any Thinkpad you have.
:beer: T43p,T61,X200,X200s,x201,T500,W500,T510,T410,T410s,T420s,T430,T430s :parrot:

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