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W500 to T430 upgrade?

#1 Post by Eddie_bowers » Thu May 02, 2019 10:22 am

I have been very happy with my W500, but recently have started bumping into CPU limitations using my music making software (Reaper). It's actually been rock solid until I bought a few Plugins that are a little more CPU hungry. So now I'm looking for a cheap upgrade to give me a little more CPU headroom but feel like the same machine.

What I have:
Lenovo W500
Intel Core Duo CPU P9500 @ 2.53GHz
8Gig RAM

What I'm looking at (refurbished):
Lenovo Thinkpad T430 Business Laptop, Intel Dual-Core i7-3520M Processor up to 3.60 GHz, 8GB DDR3, 128GB SSD, 14in HD LED-backlit display, DVD, WiFi

This looks like it will give me a faster more modern processor and therefore more speed, but I wanted to confirm with you experts.

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Re: W500 to T430 upgrade?

#2 Post by Screamer » Thu May 02, 2019 12:22 pm

Yes, it will.

Question is, have you thought of installing a Core 2 Extreme X9100 into your W500? The Core 2 Duo P9500 is not that fast, as far as I know.

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Re: W500 to T430 upgrade?

#3 Post by TPFanatic » Thu May 02, 2019 12:28 pm

Absolutely. I myself went from T500 to T430. Speed, graphic processing, portability, durability feel, and battery life are all improved. The T430 you're looking at also has an SSD, that will provide a major speed boost.

The primary downgrade is in the screen, you lose physical screen area, pixels, and quality. W500 had either 1680x1050 or 1920x1200 LCDs that are pleasant to look at.

The T430 you're looking at is advertised with a 1366x768. You can upgrade to a 1600x900 with the accompanying HD+ cable. Both these stock screens have narrow viewing angles.

There is an IPS FHD adapter kit that lets you install and use select IPS 1920x1080 screens. I did this for my T430 and it is a major improvement.


The other major change is from Classic 7 row to the Island 6 row keyboard. The 6 row keyboards are very tactile but the layout is mutated, some typing assists and the Integrated Numpad were lost.
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Re: W500 to T430 upgrade?

#4 Post by Eddie_bowers » Thu May 02, 2019 12:46 pm

I haven't. It didn't uccure to me that the processor might be socketed.

I guess I should start researching that. Any threads or resources you can point me to?

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Re: W500 to T430 upgrade?

#5 Post by TPFanatic » Thu May 02, 2019 12:56 pm

I want to advise that even though you can replace the W500's CPU you can only replace it with another Core 2 Duo. The architecture and technology are the same. All you get is a slightly higher clock speed and more heat. In my experience I upgraded my T500 from a P8600 2.4 ghz to a P9700 2.8 ghz and I do not notice the speed increase when browsing and running intensive programs. Realistically, an extended process like exporting a video may take 5 minutes instead of 6, but you can get similar speed boosts from culling programs running in the background.

IMO upgrading CPU is not worth it.
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Re: W500 to T430 upgrade?

#6 Post by Eddie_bowers » Thu May 02, 2019 1:18 pm

Thanks that's helpful. Hmmm. I see an X9100 for like $40 so it might be worth trying. I feel like my needs are just slightly higher than the CPU I have. I just get audio stutter when I go over 15 tracks with some sidechain compression all going in Reaper. It's really kind of amazing I can do all that on such an old machine anyway. I love my screen. It's a bit clunky compared to my wife's much newer HP, but the screen and responsiveness still beats it. Im a cheapskate and a tinker so I'm game for pushing what I have as far as possible (already has SSD upgrade).

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Re: W500 to T430 upgrade?

#7 Post by MikalE » Thu May 02, 2019 1:19 pm

The T9600 at 2.8Ghz in my T500 is pretty fast for an old machine. Video is no problem either.

I would think for Reaper that T9600 would be plenty fast. Pro Tools might be a different story.
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Re: W500 to T430 upgrade?

#8 Post by Eddie_bowers » Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:38 pm

Someone suggested installing a Core 2 Extreme X9100 into my W500 (has Core 2 Duo P9500).
I updated the BIOS (3.2 I think), then finally tore it down and put an X9100 in it. It won't POST.
I put the old one back and it does.

Has anyone tried this? Do I need to change something else in the bios?

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Re: W500 to T430 upgrade?

#9 Post by TPFanatic » Wed Jun 05, 2019 7:44 pm

The X9100 may be defective.

I advise against bothering to upgrade between Core 2 Duos. You don't gain any new decoding and relative to new processors they're all the same: slow.
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Re: W500 to T430 upgrade?

#10 Post by wujstefan » Thu Jun 06, 2019 12:21 pm

Screamer wrote:
Thu May 02, 2019 12:22 pm
Question is, have you thought of installing a Core 2 Extreme X9100 into your W500?
+1. X9100 is cheap, and could easily hit 4Ghz barrier when overclocked.
TPFanatic wrote:
Thu May 02, 2019 12:28 pm
Absolutely. I myself went from T500 to T430. Speed, graphic processing, portability, durability feel, and battery life are all improved. The T430 you're looking at also has an SSD, that will provide a major speed boost.
Note that Reaper is a single-thread software. It will gain close to nothing with newest CPUs. Plus, stock screens in T430 are sheer junk. Battery life is actually not much better :) and keyboard, general feel... On the other hand - it is pretty cheap nowadays, and can sport up to 16gigs of RAM.
TPFanatic wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 7:44 pm
The X9100 may be defective.
This. As for the speed see the top :)
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Re: W500 to T430 upgrade?

#11 Post by Eddie_bowers » Thu Jun 06, 2019 12:58 pm

Thanks. The cost of the X9100 is cheap, but I hate to wait for another few weeks for a replacement from China. Bummer.


BTW this is what the Reaper site says about multithreding (may be a newer feature):

Reaper is multithreaded and uses 'Anticipatory FX processing' that runs at irregular intervals (often out of order) and slightly ahead of time. This  allows using nearly all of the available CPU power of a muti-core CPU. Exceptions include record input monitoring, and when running UAD1 DSP cards, which both require 'Synchronous FX multi-processing'.

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