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T410 won't start after spill

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T410 won't start after spill

#1 Post by ejgumby » Fri Apr 03, 2020 5:27 pm

Hi All,
My first post here. Hope someone can help.

Was working on my T410 a couple of days ago and managed to spill a cup of tea over the keyboard. Whipped out the power adaptor lead, battery, ram modules and hard drive fairly sharpish.
Screen was showing OK at the time.
After about 30 mins I replaced the ram, battery and hard drive and tried to switch on. Nothing. Tried a couple more times over subsequent few days, Still nothing.
I know I've buggered something up. But what?
Anyone got any ideas?
PS I thought these laptops had spill resistant keyboards.

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Re: T410 won't start after spill

#2 Post by MikalE » Fri Apr 03, 2020 6:13 pm

More like splash resistant, not flood resistant.

You will have to pull it apart, probably all the way down to the magnesium chassis and find out where the liquid went and what it destroyed.
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Re: T410 won't start after spill

#3 Post by TPFanatic » Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:35 pm

Try with another keyboard.
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Re: T410 won't start after spill

#4 Post by cadillacmike68 » Sat Apr 04, 2020 11:22 am

And switch to coffee - or at least keep the teacups away from ThinkPad.
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Re: T410 won't start after spill

#5 Post by ejgumby » Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:18 am

Thanks for the replies peeps.

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Re: T410 won't start after spill

#6 Post by akyle32 » Thu May 28, 2020 11:05 am

This happened to me about a year ago. No matter what I did my laptop just wouldnt turn on anymore. I had no choice but to replace it. Ever since then, I made a rule to myself that all liquid must be at least 3 feet away from my laptop. I even bought a waterproof sleeve for my laptop. If youre looking to protect your laptop, you should check out this website for the best waterproof sleeves.
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Re: T410 won't start after spill

#7 Post by cadillacmike68 » Thu May 28, 2020 11:55 pm

And ThinkPads are supposed to have extra drain holes to prevent catastrophes like this. I've been licks, but if I spill on this keyboard, it's only the keyboard (external old IBM), but I would miss it and would definitely have to go out and find another just like it.
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Re: T410 won't start after spill

#8 Post by UMPC2024 » Fri May 29, 2020 1:36 pm

MikalE wrote:
Fri Apr 03, 2020 6:13 pm
More like splash resistant, not flood resistant.

You will have to pull it apart, probably all the way down to the magnesium chassis and find out where the liquid went and what it destroyed.
While the damage has been done, I'll just post my experience so any unlucky fellow in the future can try and save their beloved ThinkPad. This may or may not work depending on how much liquid you spill and how much luck you have. I don't know if it works for series above **30 since the chassis was changed.

I had two mishaps with my T430 daily driver. Once about 8 fl. oz. (236.6 mL) of water from bottled water leaked in my backpack and got the ThinkPad wet. This happened sometime during 40 minute car ride and I didn't realize until I had gotten home. I had to wipe off all the water I could see superficially and then let the drain holes at the bottom try to do their work (as in there will likely be some water that comes out the bottom due to gravity). I wiped the desk to remove water from just pooling on the workspace. Then, I did what MikalE said and had to remove the battery, Ultrabay, ExpressCard, hard drive, keyboard, and keyboard bezel in that order. The tricky part is trying to minimize movement of the ThinkPad so you're not moving the liquid around so much. I removed the keyboard by moving the ThinkPad to the edge of my desk so that the bottom screws could be removed while keeping the computer flat.

When the keyboard is off, that's when a decent portion of the interior is visible. I made sure the connector wasn't wet and then set it aside while I worked on the rest (I'll get back to this later as the top part of the keyboard itself is fairly tolerant of water). I then started removing any water I could see there with a dry towel by dabbing rather than wiping. Then comes the hardest part, which is removing the keyboard bezel. I did the same thing as for the keyboard, but with the bottom screws to be able to remove the bezel. So that meant overhanging part of the ThinkPad on the desk and using the open space below to remove the screws. Then rotating the laptop around until all the screws are removed.

There was some droplets near the speakers because they went through the speaker grille and also around the edge where the keyboard and keyboard bezel meet. Once again, I removed the water with a dry towel by dabbing. Then after all the water I could see was gone, I borrowed my mom's hair dryer to try and get any excess water that found it's way elsewhere out. Since it was November and we had the heat on (to 65 F/18 C), I was also able to put the ThinkPad over the heater vent for a day. Now that the major components were as water free as I could get them, I took my keyboard to the sink, turned it completely upside down and just started shaking the water out. There shouldn't be so much water that it's splashing back to risk damaging the connector.

Unfortunately, this means that your ThinkPad will be unusable for about a day during the drying process. This was key since I didn't want to risk waiting too short of a period and having the ThinkPad be unable to turn on. It was pretty gruesome to have to wait that long, but it was worth it.

Several years later, I spilled some Coca-Cola (not as much as 8 fl. oz., probably just the last sip left in the can) over the keyboard when I was watching a movie while eating dinner. Had to do the same thing, except get a slightly damp towel to wipe off the smaller Coca-Cola droplets to prevent stickiness and an ant invasion.

It also helps to be familiar with your ThinkPad since time is of the essence. Just doing routine maintenance like cleaning the fan allowed me to figure out how to disassemble my ThinkPad in "normal" conditions so that I could do it when there was an emergency. Also, even though it's an emergency, try to keep a cool head and don't panic since doing things too fast can lead to excess movement of the ThinkPad that may cause the liquid to be moving places you don't want it to.

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