Graphics Card Comparison

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hunterman223 · #1 Post by **hunterman223** » Wed Apr 27, 2011 6:06 pm

The toshiba laptop I just sold for a T400 had a Pentium P6200 with Intel HD Integrated Graphics. Notebookcheck explains it better, it isn't the Core i series 3000 graphics.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Pent ... 596.0.html

It says it is based on the Arrandale chipset integrated graphics. How does this match up to the 3470hd in the T400? In the end i will probably splash for an advanced dock and throw in a decent GPU.

Colonel O'Neill · #2 Post by **Colonel O'Neill** » Thu Apr 28, 2011 7:12 am

It'll be the HD2000 card: http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-HD-G ... 994.0.html

NotebookCheck puts it's benchmarks at about twice the speed of the HD3470.
The gaming benchmarks seem to be about the same, for whatever games they did test for the HD3470.

hunterman223 · #3 Post by **hunterman223** » Thu Apr 28, 2011 9:32 am

That doesn't seem quite right, that says a WEI of 5.4 desktop 5.9 gaming, and that laptop scored much lower, in the 4s.

Colonel O'Neill · #4 Post by **Colonel O'Neill** » Thu Apr 28, 2011 11:03 am

Whoops. Thinking totally in terms of Sandy Bridge already (d'oh).

Is it this one?
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Grap ... 065.0.html

hunterman223 · #5 Post by **hunterman223** » Thu Apr 28, 2011 12:33 pm

Yes, I just found that now, was about to reply.

The 3470 seems to do better in benchmarks.

Colonel O'Neill · #6 Post by **Colonel O'Neill** » Thu Apr 28, 2011 1:05 pm

Heh. Overclocked, my HD3470 hits 5.0 graphics and 5.9 gaming.

hunterman223 · #7 Post by **hunterman223** » Thu Apr 28, 2011 3:20 pm

Do you remember what it got before overclocked? The old GMA got 4.6 desktop 5.2 gaming. I know WEI isn't a great benchmark at all, but it's the easiest way.

Colonel O'Neill · #8 Post by **Colonel O'Neill** » Thu Apr 28, 2011 8:26 pm

It was around 4.7 / 5.2 or something like that; don't quite remember.

hunterman223 · #9 Post by **hunterman223** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 11:51 am

Cool. I don't do a ton of gaming, but I might look into overclocking. How do you do it? Which program, settings etc.

Colonel O'Neill · #10 Post by **Colonel O'Neill** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 2:12 pm

You can find the relevant details here:
http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=94162

The temperatures didn't increase that much for me, but did top out at 72C, which would partially answer your quad-core question too.

hunterman223 · #11 Post by **hunterman223** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 2:35 pm

You mentioned an ingame profile and a desktop profile. Which was active when you took the WEI? Also, what values do you use for the desktop one?

Colonel O'Neill · #12 Post by **Colonel O'Neill** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 4:36 pm

I just go back to stock when I exit a game now. The WEI was taken on the overclocked ingame profile.

For some reason, the Default button causes a hard lockup, so I just saved 680/800 to the first slot.

hunterman223 · #13 Post by **hunterman223** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 4:40 pm

Do you know what a good stable set of values would be that I could just leave it set at? Are there any consequences to doing this, such as excessive wear? I don't care about battery life as I will set it to intel on battery ati on AC.

Colonel O'Neill · #14 Post by **Colonel O'Neill** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 5:14 pm

Not really; the values are unique for every chip. You'll have to find the maximum stable one. For me, 820/850 seemed to be stable everywhere.

hunterman223 · #15 Post by **hunterman223** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 5:38 pm

Thanks for that. "not really" meaning not really any negative consequences?

Colonel O'Neill · #16 Post by **Colonel O'Neill** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 6:03 pm

I meant I don't necessarily know the appropriate set of values for your chip. If you set it too high and it goes unstable, then the display will freeze for 10-15 seconds, garble, black, then come back as the display driver resets the card. That's an indicator that you should turn down the clock speeds a bit.

hunterman223 · #17 Post by **hunterman223** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 6:11 pm

Thanks, I'll give it a shot once the machine arrives. I'm trying to wait patiently...

Colonel O'Neill · #18 Post by **Colonel O'Neill** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 11:08 pm

I'd upgrade the ATI side drivers to the 11.4 preview; it's essentially free performance even before an overclock. My GPUTool stress test performance went from a steady 8.3FPS up to 9.2FPS at the same 850/900 speeds.

Hope your T400 arrives swiftly

hunterman223 · #19 Post by **hunterman223** » Sat Apr 30, 2011 5:03 am

Me too, the iPod touch is definitely not made as a computer replacement!

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hunterman223 · #20 Post by **hunterman223** » Sat Apr 30, 2011 7:22 am

By the way, what games are you playing? I would like to play Burnout Paradise (low on intel gma), Battlefield 2 (haven't tried it), and Sims 3

(medium on intel gma). I also occasionally play some old MS flight simulators, so as you can see nothing too intensive.

Colonel O'Neill · #21 Post by **Colonel O'Neill** » Sat Apr 30, 2011 3:20 pm

I tend to play first person shooters like CSS, L4D2, DOOM3, Dead Space 2 (third person, but close), Crysis 1, Crysis Warhead, Crysis 2, etc. CnC Generals plays just fine at maximum available settings, and I'm too lazy to find a native resolution patch. Diablo II LoD plays more than fine without a doubt.

Some weird behavior I'm having is with Star Trek Elite Force 2, which plays flawlessly on the Intel card but stutters every few seconds on the ATI card. The Intel one can handle maximum detail, so it works fine.

hunterman223 · #22 Post by **hunterman223** » Sat Apr 30, 2011 3:24 pm

Thanks. I'm sure it will be more than good for my gamin habits as you can see, your list is way cooler than mine.

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blackomegax · #23 Post by **blackomegax** » Sat Apr 30, 2011 4:10 pm

Colonel O'Neill wrote:I tend to play first person shooters like CSS, L4D2, DOOM3, Dead Space 2 (third person, but close), Crysis 1, Crysis Warhead, Crysis 2, etc. CnC Generals plays just fine at maximum available settings, and I'm too lazy to find a native resolution patch. Diablo II LoD plays more than fine without a doubt.

Some weird behavior I'm having is with Star Trek Elite Force 2, which plays flawlessly on the Intel card but stutters every few seconds on the ATI card. The Intel one can handle maximum detail, so it works fine.

elite force 2 does not play well with windows 7.
try running it in XP compatability mode?

Colonel O'Neill · #24 Post by **Colonel O'Neill** » Sat Apr 30, 2011 4:32 pm

It seems to run well enough without compatibility mode enabled. It just doesn't seem to like the ATI drivers. Might be better now that 11.4 is officially released; the game is worth another play through.

blackomegax · #25 Post by **blackomegax** » Sat Apr 30, 2011 4:38 pm

Yeah. i got through some of EF1 a week back. some of the cheese is..cheese though

EF2 has weird scripting glitches on windows 7 too.

Colonel O'Neill · #26 Post by **Colonel O'Neill** » Sat Apr 30, 2011 8:08 pm

Does it? The campaign worked flawlessly for me. Stupid Romulan bio-scanners. Never got past that in one go. EF1 was okay, but it's engine was epicly behind. Always had fun trapping that guy behind the forcefield instead of letting him through at the start. XD

blackomegax · #27 Post by **blackomegax** » Sun May 01, 2011 10:16 am

Ha, that forcefield was one of the exact scripts i meant. It would not activate the first few goes, until i restarted the game. Generally few errors otherwise and may have had more to do with the no-cd.

hunterman223 · #28 Post by **hunterman223** » Sun May 01, 2011 1:21 pm

@Colonel O'Neill, where did you get the updated ATI driver from? I am rounding all of the drivers up in advance so everything goes smoothly. All I can find is a "Catalyst Software Suite". Does this include all mobility drivers? (I have never dealt with ATI cards, an Nvidia Guy

)

Colonel O'Neill · #29 Post by **Colonel O'Neill** » Sun May 01, 2011 2:28 pm

http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=343436
Thar it be. You'll need the Lenovo switchable ones first, then these. Installing the 11.4 part is manually done, although I just had a BSOD when going from 11.4 preview to 11.4 official. Driver install worked, so it might've just been a one time thing.

hunterman223 · #30 Post by **hunterman223** » Sun May 01, 2011 3:01 pm

Thanks, downloaded. It'll be a week or so before I actually have the machine to test it on, but I'll let you know.

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