1. The touchpad texture sucks royally.
2. The fact that the touchpad is not recessed leads to more errors when the pointer freezes up, due to another finger on my right hand drifting onto the (quite large) touchpad.
3. The keyboard is quite loud. Also, after typing for a long time on a chiclet-style X100e keyboard, it takes a lot more effort to type, and is no faster-- maybe even a little slower. I like the keyboard, but would rate it as slightly behind my old T61 keyboard, and far behind the X100e keyboard, so far.
4. The advertised noise suppression feature is apparently nonexistent for normal typing, making the keyboard clatter even more annoying to me.
5. The 1600 X 900 screen is very nice. After all the grousing about how lousy the current crop of LCD panels is, I expected much worse. It reminds me a lot of the UltraSharp display on an old Dell Inspiron 8250 clunker I had-- very bright and sharp.
6. The resolution of 1600 X 900 seems just about right for the 14" screen size.
7. Build is very, very good.
8. Performance seems very good with the i5-2410M processor. I ran WEI and got impatient, so started using applications while the processor part was running, and it still came out to 6.9 . Surely not the most scientific benchmark ever, I know. Everything feels very snappy already-- can't wait to install the extra 4 GB of RAM and 80 GB mSATA drive I bought.
9. Not much bloatware. I'm definitely going to use the recovery software to port the OS to the mSATA drive.
I believe I will prefer this even to the wife's X201, due to the extra screen space, less wedge-like shape, and the fact that it's so nicely built.
It would probably be hard to notice a speed difference, if any, with the X201. We tend to turn off lots of bells and whistles in the OS, and run the Windows Classic theme, even going so far as to replace the Start menu with a classic one. The X201 also has an i7. But not noticing a performance difference with that machine is fine with me. This one was cheaper, and I think I will like the larger screen better.
I think I will probably adapt over time to keeping my fingers out of the way of the touchpad; poor design just irritates me on a quality product like this. The rough texture I will probably never like. The terrible thing is that if I were to replace it with a smooth surface, for instance by use of the stickers I've read about recently (think it was here), I would have no tactile clues at all as to when I was drifting onto and off the touchpad. It's just an awful, awful ergonomic set of choices, and I'm stunned that no one at Lenovo realized this. Did they not test the thing?
darn, this keyboard's loud. Loudest ever, I do believe. Feels nice, though. I just can't see myself typing on a client call with this. Something will have to be done.
ETA: Holy, er, mackerel. Can't use a word that sounds like "dang"? I don't think Mark Twain would be happy 'round these parts.
I really don't like the wedge profile either. 90 degree corners FTW.
X61T: L7500, 3GB RAM, 500GB HDD, XGA screen, Ultrabase
Y3P: 5Y70, 8GB RAM, 256GB SSD, QHD+ screen
Does the T400s have a flush touchpad? It's hard to tell from pictures. If so, do you find it to be a problem when you can't feel where the touchpad begins/ends?vipstjert wrote:I have posted an easy and good solution to the lousy touchpad texture here, it works for my T400s, but I guess it will also work for your machine: http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=98352
Remember to adjust first of all sensitivity and palmcheck settings to fit the new surface. You do this via fn+f8
The touch-pad sucks biggggg time...
1. The texture on touch pad makes me sick every time i run my finger over it
2. Since the touch surface is at the same level as palm-rest, I run into issues of accidently tapping something or mouse getting frozen because I have multiple contacts on touch-pad. I just wish they had put in a touch pad like T61 in T420, would have been so much better.
3. I configured some settings in touch pad software which checks for palm and avoids un neccesary movements, but still.. not good...
4. It takes me full 2-3 movements across the touchpad to get mouse from one end of screen to another, on my current t61, with the sensitivity and fast movement set to max i can get from one edge of screen to another without having to lift my finger, with t420 it doesnt work that way.
16:9 screen is good, 1600x900 is great, but that empty space below the screen bothers me a lot, I would love to have 16:10 screen on this since there is some space available, either make the laptop smaller or use that empty space....
The mute and volume buttons, you really gotta press them to get them to work. If i press gently (i do feel the click) but it doesnt do anything, if i press it really hard then it works....
I've got SSD drive in my T420, overall system speed is decent... Although I dont think there is significant speed boost from my t61, its good difference but not much to get me to say wow.
It works for my T400s, but I guess it will also work for the T420
I would jump on your solution immediately, if it weren't for worries about botching the job and being left with an even worse touchpad, and voiding the warranty on the touchpad surface. I may report that I've gotten over my worries and bit the bullet. Right now I'm just on the fence.
I agree about the 16:10 screen being a better aspect ratio, and that the wasted bezel space is an eyesore. I understand that Lenovo does not make their own panels, but if they knew in advance that they would have no 16:10 panels available for the T420, to design the laptop for them seems absurd. The laptop could have been made smaller and lighter by designing better for the 16:9 panels. It's still not as bad as the off-center bezels on the T61, IMHO.
The touchpad and DVD door are horrible, absurd blunders on the part of Lenovo.
Lenovo also widely advertised keyboard noise suppression, and I was excited for that only to find out that it is a hokey feature that only works with Skype etc., despite failing to mention the extreme limitations in the marketing blurbs. Here I was thinking that they'd actually implemented the feature they'd advertised: noise suppression of the keyboard, not noise suppression on web chats.
I am torn about the T420. I like the general build and screen. There are just a number of very poor choices made in the design.
Here you have an image of the result on my T400s:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/83 ... e0143.jpg/
I second that! With the 16:10 form factor, you could optimally choose from WXGA, WXGA+ and WSXGA+ (which would still be easier to read than WUXGA on a 15,4" screen).icecream123 wrote:I would love to have 16:10 screen on this since there is some space available
IMO 14,1" inch screen with 1680x1050 resolution would be absolutely perfect.
It is faster and has much better battery life than the T400 or T61p it replaced.
I am NOT a fan of the new, smaller screen. I don't like the lost vertical space at all.
The keyboard (Alps) is a bit mushy compared with the NMB on my T400 and T61p. I will probably replace it.
Loss of the bay battery is not a problem given the much greater battery life the slice provides.
The WWAN card gives me MUCH better signal than a Sierra wireless card with an external antenna in my T400. It remains to be seen how well it will work on European GSM networks.
Touchpad doesn't bother me much since I don't use it very often.
I agree that the DVD door opens much too easily and don't like this at all.
All in all, it is an upgrade over my T400 but I would have preferred the same screen configuration.
You mean in terms of physical space, right? Because obviously it's got the same number of pixels. I agree though: I dislike 16:9 a good bit more than 4:3 or 16:10.bblumberg wrote: I am NOT a fan of the new, smaller screen. I don't like the lost vertical space at all.
Ahhh, the good ol' ALPS/NMB/Chicony wars. (FWIW, I prefer Chicony to NMB to ALPS, so no disagreement there...)The keyboard (Alps) is a bit mushy compared with the NMB on my T400 and T61p. I will probably replace it.
At first I was a little irked by the loss of a bay option, but given that the T420 has very, very good battery life on the standard cells (and has a slice option), I really don't find myself missing it. Heck, even the 6-cell option is a lot more viable than it ever was for the T410.Loss of the bay battery is not a problem given the much greater battery life the slice provides.
That drove me nuts. So I replaced it with a slot-loading one.I agree that the DVD door opens much too easily and don't like this at all.
Laptop: X270, running Fedora
Desktop: Intellistation 285 (currently dead)
Workstation: owned by my employer
The loss of the bay battery seems like a bald-faced move to force people to buy the T420s if they don't like the bulk of the slice battery. I know the T420 has good battery life, but still-- leave the fricking power connector in there already instead of hobbling the product. The slice battery makes the already-thick machine thicker. I never like artificial product-line segmentation.
(That said, I probably wouldn't buy the bay battery unless they fixed the bad implementation seen in prior models, where the bay battery is always fully drained first without any built-in balancing, killing the bay battery in a short time. I haven't bought a bay battery in a long time because of that problem.)
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