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I've got a T60p with 1600x1200 IPS that I've been nursing for five years, waiting for an acceptable screen to come out. Got my eye on a W520, but I wondered if anyone has upgraded to W520 from my screen, and if they had comments on how acceptable the W520's is.

After using the T43p and then the T60p UXGA for three years as my main ThiinkPad I switched to a FHD W510.

In my opinion the FHD display is a worthy replacement. The W510 display is much brighter as I rarely have the brightness above 8/15. The color reproductioin is not quite up to the Flexview standards I was used to. I still use the T60p about 5% of the time and am still amazed by the Flexview LCD.

In summary the evenly lit LED display does a fine job for my use and I recommend it.

Brad

Brad wrote:After using the T43p and then the T60p UXGA for three years as my main ThiinkPad I switched to a FHD W510.

In my opinion the FHD display is a worthy replacement. The W510 display is much brighter as I rarely have the brightness above 8/15. The color reproductioin is not quite up to the Flexview standards I was used to. I still use the T60p about 5% of the time and am still amazed by the Flexview LCD.

In summary the evenly lit LED display does a fine job for my use and I recommend it.

Brad

I concur with this. I made the transition from T60p to a W510 and W520 with the FHD display. I give mine a little more gas (13 of 15).

Not only do I miss the Flexview display quality but really miss the 4:3 screen size. Its so much more "programmer friendly". With Codewright I'm maybe going to get my two-horizontal-windows with 6 lines of code in each.

To gain a small amount of vertical space I moved the task bar to the right vertical. I like the extra vertical pixels.

Brad

Is it true, that all the W520/T520 with FHD panel, are always an IPS/Premium/high gamut panel?
(Been into IPS panel lottery ticket thingy for Dell 2007WFP, years ago)

For example, this is what I got from lenovo site :
ThinkPad W520 (4276-2QU)
i7-2720QM(2.2GHz) 4GB RAM 500GB 7200rpm HD 15.6in 1900x1080 LCD 2GB Nvidia Quadro 2000M CDRW/DVDRW Intel 802.11agn wireless WWAN option Bluetooth Modem 1Gb Ethernet UltraNav Secure Chip Camera 9c Li-Ion Win7 Pro 64

Is it an IPS panel or maybe High Gamut RGB-LED TN ?

lexicon wrote:Is it true, that all the W520/T520 with FHD panel, are always an IPS/Premium/high gamut panel?

Is it an IPS panel or maybe High Gamut RGB-LED TN ?

No. None of these panels are IPS or AFFS.

Sorry to hash up an old topic but recently a seller on ebay was telling me that FHD on the W520 was IPS. Actually it is the next generation IPS screen. Can anyone clear this up? It seems that IPS and FHD on other Dell and HP forums are making the same claims.

If it isn't IPS then what is it? Just FHD?

Thanks for your time.

The FHD panels offered in the T520/W520 do have a good contrast ratio and are brighter than the old T60 FlexView panels, but they're not IPS or AFFS. The only 15" models I'm aware of with IPS options are the HP 8560w, Dell m4600, the Envy 15 and the Sony Vaio SE. If you want an IPS screen those are the one that have it.

Brad wrote:The color reproductioin is not quite up to the Flexview standards I was used to.

Actually the Full HD display offers much better colors than the Flexview because it nearly covers the AdobeRGB color space which is considerably more than the Flexview. The only problem is, the sheer amount of colors needs some taming, so a color profile is essential. However, people often don't even know what a color profile is, let alone how to create and install one.

Recently went from an older T61P to a W530 and the new machine with LED screen is rated at literally twice the brightness of the old one. So even allowing for new screen vs. old used screen? There's a huge difference, the new screens are much brighter. (Both 1920, top resolution.)

I don't like the feel of the new keyboards at all, although I like the backlight and rashly presume the lettering won't wear off the keys anymore since it is "in" them again. But the extra brightness has been very welcome.

Here's some experience from me - I've switched from T60p (with s-IPS) to a W510 (1600x900), and I must say, that i miss the IPS screen badly.
From a smaller distances the W510 screen is changing colors in some areas, which is annoying, never the less I've made some screen color adjustment.
So I have to admit, that I really miss the IPS screen, and I'm looking for a donor IPS screen to fit into the W510 screen casing.
One more thing - is the FHD display way better than mine (1600x900)?

You have to calibrate the screen of the W520. When its calibrated correctly the colour accuracy is amazing! Higher than many IPS displays. The LED backligth is nice, and the brigthness is nice too,

However, the viewing angels are not as good. But it should not be a problem, as long as you are sitting rigth in front of the screen.

I'm with QWERTY Andreas

I have UXGA IPS displays in both my A30 and T43p, my W510 has the HD+ display.
The HD+ looks blueish, and really needs calibrating, but once that is done, it colors are more accurate then the old IPS displays.
It is brighter too, and has much faster response times.
Viewing angles are not as good, especially vertically, and the 16:9 format isn't suited for computers.

All in all, the old IPS displays are very nice, but the W510 HD+ display beats them in ways that should not be under estimated.

Adda wrote:
All in all, the old IPS displays are very nice, but the W510 HD+ display beats them in ways that should not be under estimated.

I don't know.

HD+ panel is...meh at best.

FHD panel is OK once calibrated. I've been using two of them on an off lately trying to decide on my next ThinkPad.

Maybe I've seen one too many good screens lately, but the bottom line is that I'm NOT impressed with AUO's FHD panel. They are usable and then some but I've never felt the "OMG this is fabulous" reaction coming out of silly old me. That's likely the biggest reason I haven't moved on yet, and am procrastinating with the purchase of my next laptop.

Not a happy camper here.

My $0.02 only...

ajkula66 wrote: They are usable and then some but I've never felt the "OMG this is fabulous" reaction coming out of silly old me.

The only thing that wowed me about the W510 display was the brightness, and I do prefer the UXGA displays as long as there isn't too much movement going on.

If I had a choice, I'd would chose UXGA IPS, it has those saturated colors and I don't have to adjust the display angle all the time.
Still the HD+ isn't bad, and it doesn't mind on screen movement, donno about the FHD, too high dpi for me.

It's been quite a while, maybe a week and I'm already looking for IPS screen for my W510, but no luck for now.
Everything is 15,6" instead of my 15,4.
I'm sorry but TN screen does not satisfy me at all, no matter how high the resolution is.
So if any of you have suggestions please let me know.

_65536_kb_sec_ wrote: Everything is 15,6" instead of my 15,4..

Your screen IS 15.6" and not 15.4"...

ajkula66 wrote:FHD panel is OK once calibrated. I've been using two of them on an off lately trying to decide on my next ThinkPad.

May i ask HOW it was calibrated?

I have some VERY good calibration files, somewhere, from before i sold my W510. You should try them, before judgeing

Best regards

QWERTY Andreas wrote:

I have some VERY good calibration files, somewhere, from before i sold my W510. You should try them, before judgeing

Not for nothing...

Do you really think that you're the only one with a plethora of calibrated profiles for V4 panel?

Regardless of how one may dance around it, the viewing angles are nothing to write home about. Major downfall on a workstation-class laptop.

No matter where you went to school, it's an inferior panel when compared to its IPS counterparts from Dell and HP by a huge margin. Period.

ajkula66 wrote: Not for nothing...

Do you really think that you're the only one with a plethora of calibrated profiles for V4 panel?

Regardless of how one may dance around it, the viewing angles are nothing to write home about. Major downfall on a workstation-class laptop.

No matter where you went to school, it's an inferior panel when compared to its IPS counterparts from Dell and HP by a huge margin. Period.

Not really, but the source of mine is here: https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/W-Series-T ... d-p/739831

ajkula66 wrote:
Regardless of how one may dance around it, the viewing angles are nothing to write home about. Major downfall on a workstation-class laptop.

No matter where you went to school, it's an inferior panel when compared to its IPS counterparts from Dell and HP by a huge margin. Period.

It migth be inferior when comparing viewing angels. But as long as you view the display from up front, its no problem. And usually there is no need for more than one person viewing the display at the time, when needing such a high color accuracy.

Actually... The panel covers just as much of the colorspace as the dreamcolor displays: 95% of the AdobeRGB colorspace. Wether you like it or not. (source; http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Len ... 594.0.html and http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Upd ... 327.0.html). True, the contrast is better on the deamcolordisplay - but its not as brigth. There is 6% difference on the backligth distribution, giving the upper hand to the dreamcolor display.

But saying that the FHD display is garbage, is rubbish....

QWERTY Andreas wrote:
But saying that the FHD display is garbage, is rubbish....

Please kindly do one of the following:

a) Point - with a link - to the post where I called the aforementioned panel "garbage" OR

b) Refrain from putting words in my mouth.

TIA

With that out of the way, if I have to keep my neck perfectly straight 100% of the time so the viewing angles - along with the colours - don't shift one iota, all the gamut in this world will not make me happy. Obviously, to each their own in this respect.

ajkula66 wrote: Please kindly do one of the following:

a) Point - with a link - to the post where I called the aforementioned panel "garbage" OR

b) Refrain from putting words in my mouth.

TIA

With that out of the way, if I have to keep my neck perfectly straight 100% of the time so the viewing angles - along with the colours - don't shift one iota, all the gamut in this world will not make me happy. Obviously, to each their own in this respect.

I am sorry, it seems like i have misunderstanded you. Migth come from my Danish understanding of your many negative comments on the FHD, when comparing it to the IPS displays. No offence, i didn't want to do harm, nor offend

But when i read, and come to the understanding, that a display is "vastly inferior" i think it is meant as the display being "garbage".

Have a nice day.

QWERTY Andreas wrote:
I am sorry, it seems like i have misunderstanded you. Migth come from my Danish understanding of your many negative comments on the FHD, when comparing it to the IPS displays. No offence, i didn't want to do harm, nor offend

But when i read, and come to the understanding, that a display is "vastly inferior" i think it is meant as the display being "garbage".

Have a nice day.

ajkula66 wrote:
FHD panel is OK once calibrated.

When I feel that something/anything is a piece of garbage, I have zero problems writing exactly that...

Anyways, I'm certain that everyone knows who stands where on this particular issue now.