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W500 Memory? Issues.
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W500 Memory? Issues.
I have two pairs of 4GB memory modules that I've tried in my W500. Both pairs are 2Rx8 DDR3 1333Mhz, and are known good:
Micron MT16JSF51264HZ-1G4D1, PC3-10600S-9-10-FP
Samsung M471B5273CH0-CH9, PC3-10600S-9-10-F2
How do I know they are good? I've hammered on them with memtest86+ for a day each in a T500. In that W500 on the other hand, they cause lock-ups. (That's v.5.01 in default mode, not in SMP.) The lock-ups are always in the same place, test #10, "Modulo 20 Random Pattern", and happen on either the first or second pass. They also happen if I test each module individually. No modules give me any "Error"s, though.
On the other hand, when I put in a pair of known good 2GB (1Rx8) modules, memtest seems to bang away just fine (I'll need to run it all night to be sure):
Hynix HMT325S6CFR8C-H9 NO AA, PC3-10600S-9-11-B2
Is there something I'm missing about the W500? Is there something specific about its memory requirements?
Micron MT16JSF51264HZ-1G4D1, PC3-10600S-9-10-FP
Samsung M471B5273CH0-CH9, PC3-10600S-9-10-F2
How do I know they are good? I've hammered on them with memtest86+ for a day each in a T500. In that W500 on the other hand, they cause lock-ups. (That's v.5.01 in default mode, not in SMP.) The lock-ups are always in the same place, test #10, "Modulo 20 Random Pattern", and happen on either the first or second pass. They also happen if I test each module individually. No modules give me any "Error"s, though.
On the other hand, when I put in a pair of known good 2GB (1Rx8) modules, memtest seems to bang away just fine (I'll need to run it all night to be sure):
Hynix HMT325S6CFR8C-H9 NO AA, PC3-10600S-9-11-B2
Is there something I'm missing about the W500? Is there something specific about its memory requirements?
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Re: W500 Memory? Issues.
You'll need DDR3-1066 a.k.a. PC3-8500 (both run at 1066 MHz) instead of DDR3-10600 (runs at 1333MHz).
Some RAM does not work well at lower speed and/or some mobos don't like higher-speed RAM.
Some RAM does not work well at lower speed and/or some mobos don't like higher-speed RAM.
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Re: W500 Memory? Issues.
@RBS - Thanks for that input. Any idea if there is any of the higher speed ram that would work at the lower speed in that W500? I ask because the 1333MHZ RAM also runs in the W/T520, and so if possible I'd like to keep to memory that can work in both class of machines.
Oops. Ok, those Hynix 2GB modules (see first post) are also freezing memtest. Oh, well. Why is it my T500 isn't having trouble with any of these modules??
Oops. Ok, those Hynix 2GB modules (see first post) are also freezing memtest. Oh, well. Why is it my T500 isn't having trouble with any of these modules??
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Re: W500 Memory? Issues.
The 500 series are most particular about what memory works in each machine. Don't know why, but I've been through this same thing a few times with T500's.
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Re: W500 Memory? Issues.
+ 1
I don't own any of the *00 series at the moment and doubt that I ever will again, but they are a royal pain when it comes to RAM. The next (*10) generation was only marginally better in that respect, and then Lenovo finally got it right with the *20 series.
IME, sticking with PC8500 RAM seemed to minimize the problem in most cases.
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Re: W500 Memory? Issues.
Is the W500 running the latest BIOS?
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Re: W500 Memory? Issues.
Yes replace the pair with matched pair from ebay, DDR3 1333 do work too due to 1066 MHz programming timing bins programmed in to modules. 1066 modules are rarer and expensive.
Elpida, Micron & crucial, hynix or samsung. Matched pair too, 2Rx8. One module of yours is marginal, no matter how it passes in other machine, I reject this.
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Elpida, Micron & crucial, hynix or samsung. Matched pair too, 2Rx8. One module of yours is marginal, no matter how it passes in other machine, I reject this.
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Re: W500 Memory? Issues.
@TPFanatic - On your advice, just updated the BIOS, thanks. Testing again and waiting on results.
@thinkpadcollection - I am using matched pairs: Micron, Samsung & Hynix. Have not tried Crucial or Elpida; but it sounds like you think one or all of those should work.
On the other hand, it sounds like others have had trouble. It's at least good to know it's probably not a problem specific to my W500.
I'm looking at eBay. Any thoughts on whether that Apple memory will work?
@thinkpadcollection - I am using matched pairs: Micron, Samsung & Hynix. Have not tried Crucial or Elpida; but it sounds like you think one or all of those should work.
On the other hand, it sounds like others have had trouble. It's at least good to know it's probably not a problem specific to my W500.
I'm looking at eBay. Any thoughts on whether that Apple memory will work?
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Re: W500 Memory? Issues.
Sadly, that W500 still freezes with the updated BIOS....
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Re: W500 Memory? Issues.
Face it, you need slower RAM, like I said before!
Try this: https://www.ebay.com/itm/202164225750
Mac RAM also works in a Lenovo/Dell/HP etc.
Try this: https://www.ebay.com/itm/202164225750
Mac RAM also works in a Lenovo/Dell/HP etc.
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Re: W500 Memory? Issues.
Ok, my resistance is buckling!
I didn't go for the Corsair, though. I've had bad luck with them before, and have read some others on this forum with complaints. It might not be real, but the words "Corsair", "RAM" and "problem" have become associated in my head. So, I went for Crucial.
(By the way, I went to the Crucial website, and when I fed their memory-finder tool "Lenovo Thinkpad W500", it wanted to sell me PC3-12800! Try it yourself.)
I didn't go for the Corsair, though. I've had bad luck with them before, and have read some others on this forum with complaints. It might not be real, but the words "Corsair", "RAM" and "problem" have become associated in my head. So, I went for Crucial.
(By the way, I went to the Crucial website, and when I fed their memory-finder tool "Lenovo Thinkpad W500", it wanted to sell me PC3-12800! Try it yourself.)
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Re: W500 Memory? Issues.
PC3-12800 will work as long as the DDR3-1066 programming bin is there in the memory module. I have two in both T500 and T410 with these.
This is why I said go to ebay. Crucial website starting to run out of DDR3.
Elpida, Samsung, Hynix, Crucial or Micron all from ebay. DDR3-1333 is acceptable but DDR3-1600 (PC3-12800) will work as long as they are these brands I mentioned only.
Cheers, thinkpadcollection
This is why I said go to ebay. Crucial website starting to run out of DDR3.
Elpida, Samsung, Hynix, Crucial or Micron all from ebay. DDR3-1333 is acceptable but DDR3-1600 (PC3-12800) will work as long as they are these brands I mentioned only.
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Re: W500 Memory? Issues.
I never heard of this individual T/W500s being picky with RAM problem before so I am completely stumped...
I understand that of the PC3 8500s, 10600s, and 12800s RAM:
- All 2GB sticks work.
- Only 2rx8 4GB sticks work.
No PC3L (Low Voltage) 4GB will work because they are 1rx8.
I understand that of the PC3 8500s, 10600s, and 12800s RAM:
- All 2GB sticks work.
- Only 2rx8 4GB sticks work.
No PC3L (Low Voltage) 4GB will work because they are 1rx8.
Re: W500 Memory? Issues.
I had the same trouble not too long ago. I finally took an 4 GB stick out of a T510 and paired it with the 4GB stick that was already in the T500. Booted right up and recognized it.
Truth be told i didn't even check to see what it was. I was just hoping it would boot, so I left it in and buttoned it up. !!!
Truth be told i didn't even check to see what it was. I was just hoping it would boot, so I left it in and buttoned it up. !!!
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T500 T9600 2055-BE9
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T520 i7QM 4242-4UU Highly Modified
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Re: W500 Memory? Issues.
@thinkpadcollection -
The way things are <<appearing>> to me right now, after having gone through all the memory I have, is that Micron 1333Mhz is simply not working. I have some Samsung that seems to, but only in the T500's, not the W500. (They all appear to work when I run an OS, it's Memtest86+ that locks up.) I also have the Hynix 1333Mhz which are not working.
I have a Micron 4GB PC3L-12800S-11-11-B2 (MT8KTF51264HZ-1G6E1), which definitely does not work in my 500 series machines, but as @tpfanatic points out, those low voltage modules are 1Rx8.
Could you clarify this a bit for me? Maybe with some specific memory codes/part numbers? What does it mean when you say "as long as the DDR3-1066 programming bin is there in the memory module"? How would I know whether it is?PC3-12800 will work as long as the DDR3-1066 programming bin is there in the memory module. I have two in both T500 and T410 with these.
This is why I said go to ebay. Crucial website starting to run out of DDR3.
Elpida, Samsung, Hynix, Crucial or Micron all from ebay. DDR3-1333 is acceptable but DDR3-1600 (PC3-12800) will work as long as they are these brands I mentioned only.
The way things are <<appearing>> to me right now, after having gone through all the memory I have, is that Micron 1333Mhz is simply not working. I have some Samsung that seems to, but only in the T500's, not the W500. (They all appear to work when I run an OS, it's Memtest86+ that locks up.) I also have the Hynix 1333Mhz which are not working.
I have a Micron 4GB PC3L-12800S-11-11-B2 (MT8KTF51264HZ-1G6E1), which definitely does not work in my 500 series machines, but as @tpfanatic points out, those low voltage modules are 1Rx8.
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Re: W500 Memory? Issues.
I have no problem with 2x 4GB Micron MT16JSF51264HZ-1G4D1, PC3-10600S-9-10-FP on my W500. I installed them Thursday and I found no issues whatsoever. I ran a memtest86+ on them upon arrival and everything checked out fine.
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Re: W500 Memory? Issues.
Like I said about SPD programmed into true OEM is properly done in my experience compared to third party which is are not OEM. They typically have 4 speed bins columns starting from 800 thru 1333 range for DDR3-1333 OEM modules, and with DDR3-1600 is usually 800 thru 1600 bins. If you see DDR3L or PC3L they are 1.35V, which you have to find is 1.5V which has no L (means Low voltage).DiagonalArg wrote: ↑Sat Dec 30, 2017 11:10 am@thinkpadcollection -
Could you clarify this a bit for me? Maybe with some specific memory codes/part numbers? What does it mean when you say "as long as the DDR3-1066 programming bin is there in the memory module"? How would I know whether it is?PC3-12800 will work as long as the DDR3-1066 programming bin is there in the memory module. I have two in both T500 and T410 with these.
This is why I said go to ebay. Crucial website starting to run out of DDR3.
Elpida, Samsung, Hynix, Crucial or Micron all from ebay. DDR3-1333 is acceptable but DDR3-1600 (PC3-12800) will work as long as they are these brands I mentioned only.
The way things are <<appearing>> to me right now, after having gone through all the memory I have, is that Micron 1333Mhz is simply not working. I have some Samsung that seems to, but only in the T500's, not the W500. (They all appear to work when I run an OS, it's Memtest86+ that locks up.) I also have the Hynix 1333Mhz which are not working.
I have a Micron 4GB PC3L-12800S-11-11-B2 (MT8KTF51264HZ-1G6E1), which definitely does not work in my 500 series machines, but as @tpfanatic points out, those low voltage modules are 1Rx8.
Just the ebay search will do, all you do is look for this in the ebay auction is: 2Rx8, photo shows 8 chips on one side of module will be 16 chips total per module, OEM names only like Elpida, Samsung, Hynix, Crucial or Micron, 8GB 2x4GB. Thus ebay search looks like this:
8GB 2x4GB "DDR3-1333" or "PC3-10600" Micron (change the OEM name for other Elpida, Samsung, Hynix, Crucial or Micron).
I'll pull up a search and show you a example to look for:
Search string: 8GB 2x4GB DDR3-1333 Micron:
Search result link:
https://www.ebay.ca/sch/i.html?_sop=15& ... 5573.m1684
EDITED:
One of this links from this search list:
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/For-Micron-8GB- ... SwJ3VZea2F
PS: if the auction title says hynix but the memory module is not branded with OEM name even it does have hynix label and hynix memory chips on one module (correct) but Ramaxel labels with elpida chips in the auction photo (examine!) do not buy like this since this is third-party brand by Ramaxel then this is not right idea to purchase.
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/12GB-3x4GB-Desk ... SwMz5aJJfb
Does that helps?
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Re: W500 Memory? Issues.
A better eBay search would be: 8gb 2rx8 (pc3-8500,ddr3-1066) (laptop,sodimm,so-dimm,204-pin) (elpida,samsung,hynix,crucial,micron) -1gb -2gb
And rather search for PC3-8500.
And search on eBay.com rather than eBay.ca
And rather search for PC3-8500.
And search on eBay.com rather than eBay.ca
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Re: W500 Memory? Issues.
@N33dF0rSp33dFan -
1600Mhz: Hynix 4GB 2Rx8 PC3-128000S-11-12-F3, HMT341S6EFR8C-PB NO AA 1337 A
1333Mhz: Various Micron, Hynix & Samsung. Model#'s in previous posts.
1060Mhz: Samsung 2GB 2Rx8 PC3-8500S-07-10-F2, M471B5673EH1-CF8 0911
Here are the specs/memtest results (All Core 2 Duo, Integrated Graphics):
T500 - 2242-CTO, L3B5066 (09/04) - P8400 @2.26Ghz - runs on 1060, 1333 & 1600 (back room)
T500 - 2242-CTO, R8HDN87 (09/08) - P8400 @2.26Ghz - runs on 1060, freezes on all 1333 & on 1600
W500 - 4061-A51, L3ACN4T (08/12) - T9600 @2.80Ghz - freezes on 1060, all 1333 & on 1600
WTH?? Particularly on the W500, which was a hardly used machine. I mean, it's pristine. Later, I'll see if there's a way to look up the FRU's of the planars for those two T500's and see if they're the same.
Alright, well now I am totally at a loss. And I'm using two different copies of memtest86+, so it's not that my copy is damaged. Taking the advice of @thinkpadcollection, I pulled out some dual rank 1600Mhz modules from my T520. I also found one 2GB stick of 1060Mhz:I have no problem with 2x 4GB Micron MT16JSF51264HZ-1G4D1, PC3-10600S-9-10-FP on my W500. [...]. I ran a memtest86+ on them [...] and everything checked out fine.
1600Mhz: Hynix 4GB 2Rx8 PC3-128000S-11-12-F3, HMT341S6EFR8C-PB NO AA 1337 A
1333Mhz: Various Micron, Hynix & Samsung. Model#'s in previous posts.
1060Mhz: Samsung 2GB 2Rx8 PC3-8500S-07-10-F2, M471B5673EH1-CF8 0911
Here are the specs/memtest results (All Core 2 Duo, Integrated Graphics):
T500 - 2242-CTO, L3B5066 (09/04) - P8400 @2.26Ghz - runs on 1060, 1333 & 1600 (back room)
T500 - 2242-CTO, R8HDN87 (09/08) - P8400 @2.26Ghz - runs on 1060, freezes on all 1333 & on 1600
W500 - 4061-A51, L3ACN4T (08/12) - T9600 @2.80Ghz - freezes on 1060, all 1333 & on 1600
WTH?? Particularly on the W500, which was a hardly used machine. I mean, it's pristine. Later, I'll see if there's a way to look up the FRU's of the planars for those two T500's and see if they're the same.
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Re: W500 Memory? Issues.
Inconsistent errors on different T500/W500 memtest results does not make sense, and that is right there are many memtest version and they may be a reason. When a computer find a correct frequency bin in the SPD will be used for T500/W500 will be *1066* from any memory sticks that are 1333 or 1600 if used besides the 1066 memory modules. Was this tested with one module too, not in pairs?
May be the memory contacts, I usually fix this with small of piece of folded ripped from paper. Natually anti-static and rub this folded piece on the memory module contacts (both sides). No need to worry about the notebook's memory socket.
I can borrow friend's T500 and see what I get with 2 pairs of memory modules (both pairs are matched sets) from two T410.
Check the SPD tabs details with CPU-Z too if computer can be booted up? One more thing, T500/W500 share same northbridge chipset, make sure the thermal pad is good for that chipset. Also cooling heatsink dust cleaned out, always take fan off the heatsink by cutting the foil tape and gently bend tabs aside to free the fan. Then secure the fan with any tape over the cut foil and tabs bent over again. Peeled metal foil tape cannot be reused, that's the reason to cut them in two in place.
Cheers, thinkpadcollection
May be the memory contacts, I usually fix this with small of piece of folded ripped from paper. Natually anti-static and rub this folded piece on the memory module contacts (both sides). No need to worry about the notebook's memory socket.
I can borrow friend's T500 and see what I get with 2 pairs of memory modules (both pairs are matched sets) from two T410.
Check the SPD tabs details with CPU-Z too if computer can be booted up? One more thing, T500/W500 share same northbridge chipset, make sure the thermal pad is good for that chipset. Also cooling heatsink dust cleaned out, always take fan off the heatsink by cutting the foil tape and gently bend tabs aside to free the fan. Then secure the fan with any tape over the cut foil and tabs bent over again. Peeled metal foil tape cannot be reused, that's the reason to cut them in two in place.
Cheers, thinkpadcollection
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Re: W500 Memory? Issues. SPD Data.
So here's an interesting bit of information, provoked by @thinkpadcollection's suggesting I check the SPD data. Using the T500 that works with all three speeds of memory (1060, 1333 and 1600Mhz), I booted ubuntu and installed i2c-tools. In every case, running decode-dimms only returns a result if I tell it to ignore a bad checksum (-c). For example, the 1600Mhz:
I tried that 1600Mhz module in in W500 and found something similar, though this time it reported on two dimms, even though I only installed one, and gives (2) different values for the bad checksum. Note that memtest86+ does freeze on this machine with this module:
On the other hand, when I put that same 1600Mhz module in my T520, I get a sensible result. One dimm with a proper checksum:
I can now confirm that metest86 (no "+") v4.3.7 (their last BIOS version) also freezes the W500 with 1600Mhz memory on the same test, [Modulo 20, Random Pattern] (in this case, #9). On the other hand, a user space program called "memtester" and which runs under linux, but which only tests free memory, doesn't appear to be having any trouble at all on that same machine.
(@thinkpadcollection - Thanks on the other advice. I have tested with single modules, yes; and always in the lower socket. I have cleaned the dimm contacts, though in my case, with an eraser. Also, I am using only one memtest86+ version, 5.01, though more than one copy. For BIOS machines, the most advanced memtest is that one, though it forked from mtest86 around v.3.0. For UEFI, memtest86 (no "+") has a version 7.4.)
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Decoding EEPROM: /sys/bus/i2c/drivers/eeprom/2-0050
Guessing DIMM is in bank 1
---=== SPD EEPROM Information ===---
EEPROM Checksum of bytes 0-62 Bad **Notice it's checking 63 bytes**
(found 0x40, calculated 0x93)
SPD Revision Invalid
Fundamental Memory type Unknown (0xff)
---=== Manufacturing Information ===---
Manufacturer Conexant (Rockwell)
Custom Manufacturer Data 00 4B CF 10 00 00 19 ("?K?????")
Manufacturing Location Code 0xB7
Part Number '
Manufacturing Date 0x0F00
Assembly Serial Number 0xB30A32B3
Number of SDRAM DIMMs detected and decoded: 1
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Decoding EEPROM: /sys/bus/i2c/drivers/eeprom/2-0050
Guessing DIMM is in bank 1
---=== SPD EEPROM Information ===---
EEPROM Checksum of bytes 0-62 Bad **Again, it's checking 63 bytes, but ...**
(found 0x50, calculated 0xDA)
SPD Revision Invalid
Fundamental Memory type Unknown (0xff)
---=== Manufacturing Information ===---
Manufacturer Invalid
Custom Manufacturer Data 24 00 4B CF 10 00 00 19 ("$?K?????")
Manufacturing Location Code 0x16
Part Number 1
Manufacturing Date 0x0F00
Assembly Serial Number 0xD10A32D1
Decoding EEPROM: /sys/bus/i2c/drivers/eeprom/5-0050
Guessing DIMM is in bank 1
---=== SPD EEPROM Information ===---
EEPROM CRC of bytes 0-116 Bad **Here it's checking 117 bytes**
(found 0xFFFF, calculated 0x4FE6)
# of bytes written to SDRAM EEPROM 64
Total number of bytes in EEPROM 64
Fundamental Memory type Unknown (0xff)
---=== Manufacturing Information ===---
Manufacturer Undefined
Part Number Undefined
Number of SDRAM DIMMs detected and decoded: 2
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Decoding EEPROM: /sys/bus/i2c/drivers/eeprom/21-0050
Guessing DIMM is in bank 1
---=== SPD EEPROM Information ===---
EEPROM CRC of bytes 0-116 OK (0xD173) **Here it's also checking 117 bytes***
# of bytes written to SDRAM EEPROM 176
Total number of bytes in EEPROM 256
Fundamental Memory type DDR3 SDRAM
Module Type SO-DIMM
---=== Memory Characteristics ===---
Fine time base 2.500 ps
Medium time base 0.125 ns
Maximum module speed 1600 MHz (PC3-12800)
Size 4096 MB
Banks x Rows x Columns x Bits 8 x 15 x 10 x 64
Ranks 2
SDRAM Device Width 8 bits
Bus Width Extension 0 bits
tCL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS 11-11-11-28
Supported CAS Latencies (tCL) 11T, 10T, 9T, 8T, 7T, 6T, 5T
---=== Timing Parameters ===---
Minimum Write Recovery time (tWR) 15.000 ns
Minimum Row Active to Row Active Delay (tRRD) 6.000 ns
Minimum Active to Auto-Refresh Delay (tRC) 48.125 ns
Minimum Recovery Delay (tRFC) 160.000 ns
Minimum Write to Read CMD Delay (tWTR) 7.500 ns
Minimum Read to Pre-charge CMD Delay (tRTP) 7.500 ns
Minimum Four Activate Window Delay (tFAW) 30.000 ns
---=== Optional Features ===---
Operable voltages 1.5V
RZQ/6 supported? Yes
RZQ/7 supported? Yes
DLL-Off Mode supported? Yes
Operating temperature range 0-95 degrees C
Refresh Rate in extended temp range 2X
Auto Self-Refresh? No
On-Die Thermal Sensor readout? No
Partial Array Self-Refresh? No
Thermal Sensor Accuracy Not implemented
SDRAM Device Type Standard Monolithic
---=== Physical Characteristics ===---
Module Height (mm) 30
Module Thickness (mm) 2 front, 2 back
Module Width (mm) 67.6
Module Reference Card F
---=== Manufacturer Data ===---
Module Manufacturer SK Hynix (former Hyundai Electronics)
DRAM Manufacturer SK Hynix (former Hyundai Electronics)
Manufacturing Location Code 0x01
Manufacturing Date 2013-W32
Assembly Serial Number 0x1081FDE9
Part Number HMT351S6EFR8C-PB
Revision Code 0x4E30
Number of SDRAM DIMMs detected and decoded: 1
(@thinkpadcollection - Thanks on the other advice. I have tested with single modules, yes; and always in the lower socket. I have cleaned the dimm contacts, though in my case, with an eraser. Also, I am using only one memtest86+ version, 5.01, though more than one copy. For BIOS machines, the most advanced memtest is that one, though it forked from mtest86 around v.3.0. For UEFI, memtest86 (no "+") has a version 7.4.)
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Re: W500 Memory? Issues.
I use CPU-Z and it works very well for this and detailed. Requires windows running. You are not only one with i2C readout in linux, same problem with SPDtool in windows like this.
Memtest may be too new based on kernel as well. See if you can use a older one? Will these T/W500 boot and run any of the memory in windows and linux with no problem? I prefer cpu-z. I did have SPDtool and this is for windows, Not all computers allows direct SPD read out with certain utilities, I get blank or cannot find any on few certain computers too. I usually can with any computers that does and can modify the SPD as I had to on a ASUS P5K to repair mis-programmed SPD on 4x 2GB modules in order to work properly on OEM computers like Dell, Lenovo and HP from a known good 2GB module. Yet I cannot read SPD via SPDtool but can do any computers with CPU-Z for memory and SPD tabs on any HP and Dell, IBM/Lenovo computers.
Cheers, thinkpadcollection
Memtest may be too new based on kernel as well. See if you can use a older one? Will these T/W500 boot and run any of the memory in windows and linux with no problem? I prefer cpu-z. I did have SPDtool and this is for windows, Not all computers allows direct SPD read out with certain utilities, I get blank or cannot find any on few certain computers too. I usually can with any computers that does and can modify the SPD as I had to on a ASUS P5K to repair mis-programmed SPD on 4x 2GB modules in order to work properly on OEM computers like Dell, Lenovo and HP from a known good 2GB module. Yet I cannot read SPD via SPDtool but can do any computers with CPU-Z for memory and SPD tabs on any HP and Dell, IBM/Lenovo computers.
Cheers, thinkpadcollection
Re: W500 Memory? Issues.
Am a bit late to this thread ... but with 3 W5xx machines, memory capacity is my issue.
Am currently rebuilding my 4058-CTO W500 ... has 2 x 6 GB + SSD. This is a redundancy unit in case my W530 goes down, as it did about 2 months after my warranty lapsed. More memory is always of interest since between Autodesk Inventor (assemblies with up to 400 parts) and Adobe apps I tend to run out of memory.
In the past few days I noticed a Lenovo page, see below, for a 16 GB card supporting "ThinkPad W-Series: W500s". Since I am unaware of a W500s model, I surmise the whole "W-series".
https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/solutions/acc100204
My W530 .. maxed on CPU and 32GB memory + mSATA SSD + SATA SSD ... is my primary machine.
Did anybody on this board bite into this apple, if so please tell us about it. Does it actually run on your W5xx, can you max your unit (32GB/W500 to 64GB/W530), any issues?
Am currently rebuilding my 4058-CTO W500 ... has 2 x 6 GB + SSD. This is a redundancy unit in case my W530 goes down, as it did about 2 months after my warranty lapsed. More memory is always of interest since between Autodesk Inventor (assemblies with up to 400 parts) and Adobe apps I tend to run out of memory.
In the past few days I noticed a Lenovo page, see below, for a 16 GB card supporting "ThinkPad W-Series: W500s". Since I am unaware of a W500s model, I surmise the whole "W-series".
https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/solutions/acc100204
My W530 .. maxed on CPU and 32GB memory + mSATA SSD + SATA SSD ... is my primary machine.
Did anybody on this board bite into this apple, if so please tell us about it. Does it actually run on your W5xx, can you max your unit (32GB/W500 to 64GB/W530), any issues?
Frank K-F
Michigan - USA
Michigan - USA
Re: W500 Memory? Issues.
The W500s on that webpage is most likely a typo, or a prototype unit. I have never seen this particular 'W500s' model anywhere else, other than on this webpage.
I attempted installing a single 8GB DDR3-1600 PC3-12800 module into my W700 once, and it booted up with the 1-3-3-1 beep. I can assure you that any sort of 8GB+ DDR3 module installed in your W500 will not work, simply due to some weird limitation in the PM45 chipset. The W700 has the same chipset (PM45) as your W500 has, so I am sure it would apply to your W500 too.
Also, 16GB DDR3 modules will not work in your W500/W530. I believe 16GB DDR3 modules only worked in Broadwell and newer Intel processors, while Haswell and older Intel processors did not work with 16GB modules. Which means, your W500 would max out at 8GB, and your W530 would max out at 16GB/32GB (dual-core board/quad-core board).
I attempted installing a single 8GB DDR3-1600 PC3-12800 module into my W700 once, and it booted up with the 1-3-3-1 beep. I can assure you that any sort of 8GB+ DDR3 module installed in your W500 will not work, simply due to some weird limitation in the PM45 chipset. The W700 has the same chipset (PM45) as your W500 has, so I am sure it would apply to your W500 too.
Also, 16GB DDR3 modules will not work in your W500/W530. I believe 16GB DDR3 modules only worked in Broadwell and newer Intel processors, while Haswell and older Intel processors did not work with 16GB modules. Which means, your W500 would max out at 8GB, and your W530 would max out at 16GB/32GB (dual-core board/quad-core board).
Re: W500 Memory? Issues.
Screamer, thanks for your input.
Both of my W500 have 2 x 8GB memory .. to update your info. One set is Kingston running at 1.5 volts ... never had issues with them. The other is under my KB so I can't tell.
Several other postings above our dialog were discussing memory implementations that cascaded to various speeds while others did not. Being a mechanical engineer I understand the concept but cannot add to that discussion.
I am trying to get more info on this "new" Lenovo memory board from Lenovo ... but I believe there are others here who know the right questions to ask. I was told by Lenovo that they expect these to be available in early September.
BTW some TP generations ago I went through the same memory upgrade drama. When the product came to market its specs were frozen; about a year later IBM introduced the next generation memory board at twice the capacity ... I was the first to venture into it and it worked. But that does not say anything about the present situation which may have BIOS or other limitations.
https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/solutions/acc100204
Both of my W500 have 2 x 8GB memory .. to update your info. One set is Kingston running at 1.5 volts ... never had issues with them. The other is under my KB so I can't tell.
Several other postings above our dialog were discussing memory implementations that cascaded to various speeds while others did not. Being a mechanical engineer I understand the concept but cannot add to that discussion.
I am trying to get more info on this "new" Lenovo memory board from Lenovo ... but I believe there are others here who know the right questions to ask. I was told by Lenovo that they expect these to be available in early September.
BTW some TP generations ago I went through the same memory upgrade drama. When the product came to market its specs were frozen; about a year later IBM introduced the next generation memory board at twice the capacity ... I was the first to venture into it and it worked. But that does not say anything about the present situation which may have BIOS or other limitations.
https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/solutions/acc100204
Frank K-F
Michigan - USA
Michigan - USA
Re: W500 Memory? Issues.
I mis-stated the memory on my W500 machines, 4058-CTO and 4063-3FU ... they are 2 x 4GB. My BAD.
Frank K-F
Michigan - USA
Michigan - USA
Re: W500 Memory? Issues.
No problem.
The other W500 of yours is actually a W530, is it not? I seem to recall that the W500 never had 4 RAM slots, but the W530 did (2 slots under the keyboard).
I understand where you are coming from, but this is no longer the case. What we are experiencing, is similar to how the T43/R52 does not accept more than 2GB of RAM installed. This is due to the 915PM/915GM's RAM addressing limitation as far as I know. There was someone that had the same question as yours, but it eventually got answered with the same answer I gave you in the previous reply. All Haswell processors paired with older chipsets or processors older than Haswell paired with an equivalently older chipset, will not detect 16GB DDR3 modules.FrankK-F wrote: ↑Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:17 pmSeveral other postings above our dialog were discussing memory implementations that cascaded to various speeds while others did not. Being a mechanical engineer I understand the concept but cannot add to that discussion.
I am trying to get more info on this "new" Lenovo memory board from Lenovo ... but I believe there are others here who know the right questions to ask. I was told by Lenovo that they expect these to be available in early September.
BTW some TP generations ago I went through the same memory upgrade drama. When the product came to market its specs were frozen; about a year later IBM introduced the next generation memory board at twice the capacity ... I was the first to venture into it and it worked. But that does not say anything about the present situation which may have BIOS or other limitations.
I have confirmed this with with IM Intelligent Memory's helpdesk that has kindly (and quickly) replied to my message, here is the screenshot. Their 16GB DDR3 RAM module offering (IMM2G64D3LSOD8A) is similar to Lenovo's 16GB DDR3 RAM module offering, so I can guarantee that it will not work in your W500/W530. Also, I deeply apologize for my horrendous image merging skills. It may look fake, but you can go to their website and give them the same question. It will definitely be the same as I got.
I figured out that the 'W500s' in that page is actually a typo'd W550s that is a Broadwell-powered ThinkPad, which explains its existence in that page.
Re: W500 Memory? Issues.
Thank you again Screamer. I veered into a cul-de-sac ... but then again if you don't ask you don't get. Looks like I need to rub some coins to upgrade my workstations.
Frank K-F
Michigan - USA
Michigan - USA
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