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1. Is there any difference in quality between 15.6" FHD Display (95% Gamut, 270nit) with LED Backlight and 15.6" FHD Display (95% Gamut) with LED Backlight and Multi Touch Screen? I.e. does having touch screen have any impact on quality of the image? Is it worth the difference (if there is any)?

2. I understand that batteries are not compatible with older models, but will I be able to use power supplies from T60/X61?

3. When choosing W510 without touch screen the only option to get faster 1333MHz memory is to pick 16GB which is outright too expensive. Touchscreen option has 1333MHz memory available for 8GB, but in case I would want to save $200 on touchscreen I would still want to have 1333MHz (rather than 1067MHz).

4. Speaking of memory - what would be the cheaper way to get 8GB now? Order whole 8GB from Lenovo or order 4GB and add another 4GB later from some other seller? How does 16GB option look from this perspective?

5. Does the color sensor does what it supposed to do? I will be working with photos and images, so I will need it - if it works!

6. What brand of an SSD drive goes into W510? I was planning to buy one eventually, but if Lenovo puts something decent and worth those money - might as well throw it in now.

7. Will I still be able to use my SATA enclosure for additional hard drive instead of optical drive or should I purchase yet another one because old enclosures are incompatible?

1. The more expensive multi-touch FHD screen is not as bright as the non-multi touch FHD screen. I think it's 240 nit vs 270 nit (check the tabook.pdf). I would say stick to the non-multitouch. Cheaper, brighter, simpler, thinner.

2. I'd like to know this as well. I suspect the plug might be compatible with the 90W AC adapter from the T400/500 and T6x. Or maybe it isn't. Even if it is compatible, I'm not sure what happens if it can't provide enough wattage. The W510's adapter is 135W, and really huge unfortunately (http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site. ... 74503.html). I'm hoping the much smaller 90W adapter will be enough for light use on the W510, or at least battery charging.

3. I got the impression that there's no point in getting the 1333MHz memory unless you're buying the 2GHz extreme quad i7. I think the slower 720QM and 820QM quads don't take advantage of it anyway. I bet that when it comes to 4GB sticks, Lenovo probably only has 1333MHz ones on hand. Yeah, I wish they'd offer some 4GB sticks on the lower end W510 configs, even if such sticks are way overpriced for now.

4. It looks to me that Lenovo's being fairly reasonable in their upgrade pricing for RAM. $65 per 2GB stick is about right, and gets even better if you're buying with a coupon code. 16GB is crazy expensive right now because it relies on crazy expensive 4GB sticks. Even locally in Vancouver, Canada, those go for about $350 each.

5. I've got the feeling it's a bit of a gimmick. Not sure it offers up much more than a normal calibration screen where you the user tweak gamma values per colour based on onscreen patterns, using your own eyes. I might be wrong though. I opted out of that when I ordered my W510.

Martin

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6. I think I read they might be Intel, or they might be Samsung, depending on the size. Intel ones are 80 or 160GB. Samsung are 128GB? I'm totally speculating here. On that note, I'd like to know what brand drive the 500GB 7200RPM is. Hitachi possibly? I'd prefer Seagate...

7. I think I heard that the answer is yes, it'll fit. The ultraslim SATA enclosure is supposed to fit the 12.7mm ultrabay on the W510. It'll just have a bit of a gap apparently.

I have a W700. The new PSU I have (huge) doesn't fit the old and vice versa. The Ultrabay is not compatible wiht the T60. The SSD is Samsung. The color sensor works great. I would sacrifice 30 nits for the MT.

proaudioguy wrote:I have a W700. The new PSU I have (huge) doesn't fit the old and vice versa. The Ultrabay is not compatible wiht the T60. The SSD is Samsung. The color sensor works great. I would sacrifice 30 nits for the MT.

I hear you, but my concern is that W700 is not W510 where Lenovo could have (or could have not) changed something again. Basically it boils down to the fact that if none of my previous hardware would be compatible with W5x0 line - I might as well buy some other brand.

BTW, just curious, what use do you have for multi-touch?

mspacek wrote:1. The more expensive multi-touch FHD screen is not as bright as the non-multi touch FHD screen. I think it's 240 nit vs 270 nit (check the tabook.pdf). I would say stick to the non-multitouch. Cheaper, brighter, simpler, thinner.

You mean - multitouch adds to the thickness of the machine?

2. I'd like to know this as well. I suspect the plug might be compatible with the 90W AC adapter from the T400/500 and T6x. Or maybe it isn't. Even if it is compatible, I'm not sure what happens if it can't provide enough wattage. The W510's adapter is 135W, and really huge unfortunately (http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site. ... 74503.html). I'm hoping the much smaller 90W adapter will be enough for light use on the W510, or at least battery charging.

3. I got the impression that there's no point in getting the 1333MHz memory unless you're buying the 2GHz extreme quad i7. I think the slower 720QM and 820QM quads don't take advantage of it anyway. I bet that when it comes to 4GB sticks, Lenovo probably only has 1333MHz ones on hand. Yeah, I wish they'd offer some 4GB sticks on the lower end W510 configs, even if such sticks are way overpriced for now.

4. It looks to me that Lenovo's being fairly reasonable in their upgrade pricing for RAM. $65 per 2GB stick is about right, and gets even better if you're buying with a coupon code. 16GB is crazy expensive right now because it relies on crazy expensive 4GB sticks. Even locally in Vancouver, Canada, those go for about $350 each.

5. I've got the feeling it's a bit of a gimmick. Not sure it offers up much more than a normal calibration screen where you the user tweak gamma values per colour based on onscreen patterns, using your own eyes. I might be wrong though. I opted out of that when I ordered my W510.

Martin

Please post in this thread when you get your W510, I'd love to hear from first-hands owner.

MultiTouch is slightly dimmer and adds about an eighth of an inch to the thickness.

Non-MultiTouch
- FHD 1920x1080 270 nits
- 14.68" x 9.65" x 1.29-1.44"

MultiTouch
- FHD 1920x1080 242 nits
- 14.68" x 9.65" x 1.35-1.57"

Personally I'm getting the MultiTouch to develop and test MultiTouch applications.

I'm a little disappointed that the W510 only has 2-finger touch support, unlike the T410s which has 4-finger touch support.

mspacek wrote:5. I've got the feeling it's a bit of a gimmick. Not sure it offers up much more than a normal calibration screen where you the user tweak gamma values per colour based on onscreen patterns, using your own eyes. I might be wrong though. I opted out of that when I ordered my W510.

Martin

Yes, you are wrong. Color calibration does much more than that, and much better. If you have a color calibration device that can handle wide gamut monitors, then you do not need the built-in calibrator.

Yes, I agree!! Color calibration does much more than that, and much better. If you have a color calibration device that can handle wide gamut monitors, then you do not need the built-in calibrator.[/quote]

Yes Calibration can do much for a good display. I makes tuning for accurate greyscale with 6500 Kelvin. 2nd step - Profiling - makes tuning for the color gamut. So you can develop a photo during travelling with Photoshop or maybe Phase One Capture One...

Best, Walter

Asphalt wrote:MultiTouch is slightly dimmer and adds about an eighth of an inch to the thickness.

Non-MultiTouch
- FHD 1920x1080 270 nits
- 14.68" x 9.65" x 1.29-1.44"

MultiTouch
- FHD 1920x1080 242 nits
- 14.68" x 9.65" x 1.35-1.57"

Personally I'm getting the MultiTouch to develop and test MultiTouch applications.

I'm a little disappointed that the W510 only has 2-finger touch support, unlike the T410s which has 4-finger touch support.

You got the right idea What kind of gestures do you do with more then 2 fingers? From my POV - as long as you can pinch-zoom you are fine. BTW - where in the specs does it say how many fingers are supported?

Pirx wrote:You got the right idea What kind of gestures do you do with more then 2 fingers? From my POV - as long as you can pinch-zoom you are fine. BTW - where in the specs does it say how many fingers are supported?

The MacBook Pro has 3-finger swiping mapped to the forward/back nav buttons for things like the web browser and other apps. A 4-finger swipe brings up the app-switcher.

Detecting more than 2-fingers also allows you to create apps for multiple-users interacting with a single screen (think touch-walls or interactive tables for multi-player gaming).

All the specs, including the number of multi-touch fingers, can be found here.
http://www.lenovo.com/psref/pdf/tabook.pdf

I am in the middle of ordering the W510 but it shows the old 90watt power supply in the accessories section. I need two extra and I know the 90watt will not do it.

Use google & you will find single, brand name, 4GB memory modules selling from reputable shops around $185 each. They do sell out fast though. So be prepared to order when you see them. I picked up two in order to have 8 total in my upcoming W510.