Thinkpad A31 Questions - EDIT - its an A30.

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Re: Thinkpad A31 Questions - EDIT - its an A30.

#31 Post by ajkula66 » Sun Jul 10, 2016 11:51 pm

kfzhu1229 wrote: I have seen people running Windows 7 on 570E with PII 226mhz and 512mb of RAM and still use it...
No you haven't because such a machine doesn't exist.

570E implies a Pentium 3 CPU, either 450 or 500 Mhz.

570 was offered as 300, 333 or 366 Pentium 2.

None of these systems allows for 512MB RAM.
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#32 Post by kfzhu1229 » Mon Jul 11, 2016 12:04 am

Then it is a 570. I think is some kind of combination that is little bit less than 512mb. For example, my 600 officially allows 32+2x128mb=288mb. However, the unofficial is 32+128+256 low-density=416mb... I have tested with a 256mb low-density stick (But PC133) it works just fine even under the very first revision of 600 BIOS that does not come with ACPI therefore does not work with Windows 7...
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#33 Post by ajkula66 » Mon Jul 11, 2016 12:16 am

kfzhu1229 wrote:Then it is a 570. I think is some kind of combination that is little bit less than 512mb.
Maximum RAM for these systems is 320MB. Physical - not theoretical - limitation.
For example, my 600 officially allows 32+2x128mb=288mb. However, the unofficial is 32+128+256 low-density=416mb... I have tested with a 256mb low-density stick (But PC133) it works just fine even under the very first revision of 600 BIOS that does not come with ACPI therefore does not work with Windows 7...
I'd be hesitant to run anything newer than W2K on machine with these specs, but that's me.

OP might want to consider Windows XP FLP for his A30 if he can locate a copy of it...
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#34 Post by kfzhu1229 » Mon Jul 11, 2016 10:18 am

I run XP on a Pentium II and it takes 45secs to boot after the post which takes a minute on maximum RAM config. Coppermine PIII takes 20sec, not sure for Tualatin, Dothan Sonoma Pentium M 2.26 takes 2.5...
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#35 Post by ajkula66 » Mon Jul 11, 2016 11:48 am

kfzhu1229 wrote:, Dothan Sonoma Pentium M 2.26 takes 2.5...
Takes 2.5 of what to get where?
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Re: Thinkpad A31 Questions - EDIT - its an A30.

#36 Post by aptivaboy » Mon Jul 11, 2016 11:59 am

Sheer curiosity on my end: what exactly don't you like about W2K? I'd argue that it's a much better fit for these systems.
Mainly the fact that XP is easier to go wireless with for folks like me (brains like mush) than is 2000. I also like the look of XP better than 2000. Granted, the changes aren't radical but XP just appeals to me more aesthetically. Wireless connectivity is a huge issue, though.

Windows 7 does work on it, and for the simple typing that the machine will be used for will be more than sufficient. Bootup is also under a minute (I haven't timed it accurately yet due to the need to reset the date and time due to a dead CMOS battery that will require replacing, but under a minute once the date and time are updated) in Win 7. But, Win 7 is also right at the cusp of what this machine is capable of so a fresh install of XP would probably run somewhat more efficiently and faster.

One last question regarding cooling, are there any solutions if the A series tends to run warmer? Are there more efficient aftermarket fans available to retrofit for my A30? Maybe a laptop cooling pad as a matter of course?

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#37 Post by ajkula66 » Mon Jul 11, 2016 12:18 pm

aptivaboy wrote:

One last question regarding cooling, are there any solutions if the A series tends to run warmer?
Not really. TPFC is your friend.
Are there more efficient aftermarket fans available to retrofit for my A30?
I've never tried fitting an A31p 2.0 fan into an A30/p. I can send you one to test out and see whether the temps improve. No aftermarket cooling solutions are available.
Maybe a laptop cooling pad as a matter of course?

Bob
Not unless you want to kill the machine *really* fast.

The key to longevity - a very stretchable term when it comes to these systems - is to have them on at all times, only shutting the LCD off when not in use. No sleep. No frequent turning on/off. Let them run, and you'll likely be fine.
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#38 Post by aptivaboy » Mon Jul 11, 2016 12:39 pm

Not unless you want to kill the machine *really* fast.
I would think that a fan pad blowing more air into the cooling ports would be a good thing. It certainly helps with my Core I7 when the heat goes up during high end renderings.

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#39 Post by ajkula66 » Mon Jul 11, 2016 12:56 pm

aptivaboy wrote:
Not unless you want to kill the machine *really* fast.
I would think that a fan pad blowing more air into the cooling ports would be a good thing.
You're about to fundamentally alter the cooling properties of a 15-year-old system belonging to a platform that has *known, proven and documented issues* with dying from thermal cycling.

Your machine, your call.
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#40 Post by kfzhu1229 » Mon Jul 11, 2016 4:44 pm

ajkula66 wrote:
kfzhu1229 wrote:, Dothan Sonoma Pentium M 2.26 takes 2.5...
Takes 2.5 of what to get where?
I have timed it, a fresh OEM SP2 takes one minute, generally used SP3 takes 1.5, and heavily used takes 2.5 minutes to boot after IBM logo to the system
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#41 Post by kfzhu1229 » Mon Jul 11, 2016 4:50 pm

aptivaboy wrote:
Not unless you want to kill the machine *really* fast.
I would think that a fan pad blowing more air into the cooling ports would be a good thing. It certainly helps with my Core I7 when the heat goes up during high end renderings.
Machines these age do not have efficient vent holes in the base. And as long as it is Pentium III - M Tualatin it works just fine with TPFancontrol set the fan to start at 60 degrees and stop at 42. The Pentium III - M Tualatin was the most efficient processor at its time - much more efficient than its predecessor Coppermine and successor Pentium 4 - M
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#42 Post by aptivaboy » Mon Jul 11, 2016 8:10 pm

I take it I can get to the TPF fan control through the BIOS?

Its currently whirring away, Superdisk in the right Ultrabay, recovery software bringing up school files and lesson plans I haven't seen since 2000, or thereabouts.

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#43 Post by ajkula66 » Mon Jul 11, 2016 8:27 pm

aptivaboy wrote:I take it I can get to the TPF fan control through the BIOS?
No. While TPFC directly affects the EC settings and can be set per user's own preferences, it must be installed and ran from the Windows environment.
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#44 Post by kfzhu1229 » Mon Jul 11, 2016 9:09 pm

It is a completely free, spyware-free software by troubadix and CPUID. Be prepared to restart your computer after doing so!!
Also do not forget to check out its manual TPFancontrol.ini configs!! (This software barely works on numbered series ThinkPads if it does, I tried 600, it turns on the fan in very low speed and the app freezes and no proper diodes are detected)
I am not sure about its functionality in Windows 2000 though as all my TPFancontrol compatible TPs are running Windows 7 or 10... It does not say support of W2k officially though...
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Re: Thinkpad A31 Questions - EDIT - its an A30.

#45 Post by ajkula66 » Mon Jul 11, 2016 9:17 pm

kfzhu1229 wrote: I am not sure about its functionality in Windows 2000 though as all my TPFancontrol compatible TPs are running Windows 7 or 10... It does not say support of W2k officially though...
Works fine in W2K on my A31p.
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