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Max Hard-Drive size for R50e ultrabay ?

#1 Post by btc1750ni » Sun Oct 23, 2016 3:54 pm

hi all
i am going to upgrade my old R50e
specs: pentium m 755, 2GB RAM, i855gm/gme chipset

will 1TB SATA3 HDD work?
if not, what is the highest limit of ultrabay HDD ?

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Re: Max Hard-Drive size for R50e ultrabay ?

#2 Post by jaspen-meyer » Sun Oct 23, 2016 5:33 pm

There is a partition size limit of 2TB, details depends on your operating system and file system.
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Re: Max Hard-Drive size for R50e ultrabay ?

#3 Post by btc1750ni » Sun Oct 23, 2016 6:35 pm

jaspen-meyer wrote:There is a partition size limit of 2TB, details depends on your operating system and file system.
i will be running XP
do you mean 1TB HDD should be OK theoretically ? :D

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#4 Post by ajkula66 » Sun Oct 23, 2016 8:16 pm

btc1750ni wrote: do you mean 1TB HDD should be OK theoretically ? :D
Yes.
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Re: Max Hard-Drive size for R50e ultrabay ?

#5 Post by btc1750ni » Thu Oct 27, 2016 12:02 am

ajkula66 wrote:
btc1750ni wrote: do you mean 1TB HDD should be OK theoretically ? :D
Yes.
thanks :)

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Re: Max Hard-Drive size for R50e ultrabay ?

#6 Post by btc1750ni » Thu Oct 27, 2016 4:17 pm

i try to use ultrabay as the secondary HDD
however my r50e (XP home) cant recognize a 500gb HDD,which was previously my toshiba laptop's windows 10 system drive (not shown in "My Computer")
but the very same HDD is shown in the boot menu (press f12 at the start)
is that normal?

it recognizes a 150gb HDD though
(i can access the files on that HDD)

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#7 Post by ajkula66 » Thu Oct 27, 2016 6:37 pm

Your issue is related to XP and an Advance Format drive, not the BIOS. The search engine of your choice will be your friend.
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Re: Max Hard-Drive size for R50e ultrabay ?

#8 Post by kfzhu1229 » Fri Oct 28, 2016 12:15 am

btc1750ni wrote:i try to use ultrabay as the secondary HDD
however my r50e (XP home) cant recognize a 500gb HDD,which was previously my toshiba laptop's windows 10 system drive (not shown in "My Computer")
but the very same HDD is shown in the boot menu (press f12 at the start)
is that normal?

it recognizes a 150gb HDD though
(i can access the files on that HDD)
I don't think Ultrabay HDDs in that era and this era even have a limit inside the limit of the interface. I have a Hitachi 160GB HTS541680J9AT00 IDE hard drive that works on my T43 but does not get recognized by A30. However if you put that drive into either one of the two ultrabays of A30 it works just fine
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Re: Max Hard-Drive size for R50e ultrabay ?

#9 Post by btc1750ni » Sun Oct 30, 2016 6:35 am

all right, thanks a lot guys
i will get a new 1TB 7200 drive later and see what will happen
the old 500gb drive is 5400 rpm, 80MB/s at best so i dont bother to take that seriouly
(the one i bought that day ended up in my toshiba laptop)

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Re: Max Hard-Drive size for R50e ultrabay ?

#10 Post by kfzhu1229 » Sun Oct 30, 2016 9:15 am

btc1750ni wrote:all right, thanks a lot guys
i will get a new 1TB 7200 drive later and see what will happen
the old 500gb drive is 5400 rpm, 80MB/s at best so i dont bother to take that seriouly
(the one i bought that day ended up in my toshiba laptop)
80MB/S is good enough for any use other than gaming and extreme video editing.
However, a 5400RPM hard drive can NEVER get to that speed. Even a 7200RPM IDE hard drive is FASTER than a 5400rpm SATA
7200rpm is the correct speed for 80MB/S unless you are talking about mbit/s
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Re: Max Hard-Drive size for R50e ultrabay ?

#11 Post by btc1750ni » Sun Oct 30, 2016 2:17 pm

kfzhu1229 wrote:
btc1750ni wrote:all right, thanks a lot guys
i will get a new 1TB 7200 drive later and see what will happen
the old 500gb drive is 5400 rpm, 80MB/s at best so i dont bother to take that seriouly
(the one i bought that day ended up in my toshiba laptop)
80MB/S is good enough for any use other than gaming and extreme video editing.
However, a 5400RPM hard drive can NEVER get to that speed. Even a 7200RPM IDE hard drive is FASTER than a 5400rpm SATA
7200rpm is the correct speed for 80MB/S unless you are talking about mbit/s
um...i tested that hitachi 5400 rpm HDD with CrystalDiskMark
and its 500MB sequential read result was indeed ~80MB/s at best

the 1TB i bought is also 5400rpm (can't find any 1TB 7200 HDD at the time)
and the following link is the review
http://www.storagereview.com/seagate_mobile_hdd_review
my personal 500MB sequential read result is from 66MB/s to 120MB/s
100MB sequential read is around 130-140MB/s

however my hitachi 7200rpm 100GB IDE, 500MB sequential read is only around 30-40MB/s

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Re: Max Hard-Drive size for R50e ultrabay ?

#12 Post by kfzhu1229 » Sun Oct 30, 2016 4:06 pm

My WD blue drive only gave me 35MB/s at best. My desktop WD 80GB SATA and Seagate 200GB 7200RPM drives even out with 80MB/s (Unless you use 40pin IDE cable of course)
Dell Lat CP MMX-233 64mb 40gb W2k
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Re: Max Hard-Drive size for R50e ultrabay ?

#13 Post by btc1750ni » Mon Oct 31, 2016 10:08 pm

kfzhu1229 wrote:My WD blue drive only gave me 35MB/s at best. My desktop WD 80GB SATA and Seagate 200GB 7200RPM drives even out with 80MB/s (Unless you use 40pin IDE cable of course)
is your blue drive sata 5400 rpm?

seriously, i dont recommend that Seagate 1tb drive (ST1000LM035)
it once gave some horrible crack sounds after power on 4 hours :(
that's pretty unacceptable for a new drive...

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Re: Max Hard-Drive size for R50e ultrabay ?

#14 Post by kfzhu1229 » Mon Oct 31, 2016 11:58 pm

btc1750ni wrote:
kfzhu1229 wrote:My WD blue drive only gave me 35MB/s at best. My desktop WD 80GB SATA and Seagate 200GB 7200RPM drives even out with 80MB/s (Unless you use 40pin IDE cable of course)
is your blue drive sata 5400 rpm?

seriously, i dont recommend that Seagate 1tb drive (ST1000LM035)
it once gave some horrible crack sounds after power on 4 hours :(
that's pretty unacceptable for a new drive...
Yes a laptop HDD. I just cannot believe a 500gb 5400rpm laptop SATA III HDD is twice slower than a desktop 7200rpm Seagate 200gb IDE and that slowed my T530's boot time (x64 W10 1607) SLOWER than my T43 in Windows 10 x86 1607 (40sec vs 35 because T43 has less hardware to load)
Btw my T43 has a 160gb Hitachi 5400RPM IDE drive with a flashed IBM firmware that shrunk its capacity to exactly 128gb and also made the T43 BIOS Error 2010 proof
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Re: Max Hard-Drive size for R50e ultrabay ?

#15 Post by RealBlackStuff » Tue Nov 01, 2016 8:01 am

HD Firmware does NOT make any BIOS Error-proof.
And if your HD capacity diminishes because of firmware, that that firmware is CRAP.
For Error-2010 you need TTAV134's BIOS, which includes: Slic2.1, No Error-1802 (use any wifi card) and No Error-2010 (use any HD/SSD).
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Re: Max Hard-Drive size for R50e ultrabay ?

#16 Post by kfzhu1229 » Tue Nov 01, 2016 10:02 am

RealBlackStuff wrote:HD Firmware does NOT make any BIOS Error-proof.
And if your HD capacity diminishes because of firmware, that that firmware is CRAP.
For Error-2010 you need TTAV134's BIOS, which includes: Slic2.1, No Error-1802 (use any wifi card) and No Error-2010 (use any HD/SSD).
No thank you I stay away from flashing bios. I like to keep it original. Its just ocd. Well that hard drive no longer produces error 2010 and I will not swap any other hard drives as I'm satisfied with 128gb on that computer. I still have at least 80gb left unused. So basically that means it's error 2010 proof
Dell Lat CP MMX-233 64mb 40gb W2k
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Re: Max Hard-Drive size for R50e ultrabay ?

#17 Post by btc1750ni » Thu Nov 03, 2016 11:46 pm

a little follow up
i now know the reason why r50e couldnt recognize 500gb hdd
that's...XP can't access GPT drive (must be MBR drive)

and now i have a 1TB hitachi 7200 rpm in the ultrabay
so far everything is fine

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Re: Max Hard-Drive size for R50e ultrabay ?

#18 Post by jaspen-meyer » Fri Nov 04, 2016 2:42 am

btc1750ni wrote:GPT drive (must be MBR drive)
You can change the drive from GPT to MBR (backup data, data will be 'lost' during the change).

One tool to do this is 'Gparted':
http://gparted.org/livecd.php
http://superuser.com/questions/642420/u
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Re: Max Hard-Drive size for R50e ultrabay ?

#19 Post by btc1750ni » Fri Nov 04, 2016 10:10 am

jaspen-meyer wrote:
btc1750ni wrote:GPT drive (must be MBR drive)
You can change the drive from GPT to MBR (backup data, data will be 'lost' during the change).

One tool to do this is 'Gparted':
http://gparted.org/livecd.php
http://superuser.com/questions/642420/u
yea i know that
but i will leave the 500gb drive as it is, since the 1tb drive is enough
and it could be my other windows 10 PC's backup drive

anyway, thanks for your input
i'm sure your post will be a time-saver for some people in the future

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Re: Max Hard-Drive size for R50e ultrabay ?

#20 Post by kfzhu1229 » Fri Nov 04, 2016 1:33 pm

Will the bios of T4x/R5x even boot from gpt? I remembered that back then many 486 machines does not boot from FAT32 or NTFS so Windows 2000's boot partition has to lie on FAT in order to have a functional W2k on 486
Dell Lat CP MMX-233 64mb 40gb W2k
600 PII-266 416mb 40gb WXP
T23 PIII 1.13ghz 1gb W7
Precision M4300 X9000 8gb 160gb WUXGA Ultrasharp fp W10
T530i 15.6" i7 16gb fp W10
UXGA:
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T43p 2.26 2gb fp W10 (Sharp)
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